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For those asking about letters at the end of the receiver S/N

Started by running-man, September 04, 2016, 11:35:05 PM

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running-man

#40
Ran into these two while updating the non /26\ S/N thread.

S/N 2-1805355(G):


S/N 2-1805357(G):


Unfortunately, that's as far as I can go with these two.  I see a very, very blurry import stamp on the second one and don't have any idea on the first as that is the only photo I have.  The G's are clearly the same font though and in the same general location (after the /?5\ mark).  Doesn't prove anything really, but the fact that these S/N's are only 2 apart is an interesting sign.  It may mean:
  • The guns were stamped with the G immediately after manufacture.  I think this is unlikely as other 2-1805xxx guns exist that do *not* sport this single G after the ?/5\, but we can't discount it completely.
  • The guns were stamped with the G in the depot at issuance by the Chinese.  Would be akin to rack numbers added to a stock, though why they would do this, I have no idea.  Still it's a possibility.
  • The guns were stamped with the G immediately prior to export.  Possible, if the guns were both part of the same export batch and had been kept together throughout issuance.  I still think this most likely, but I would need clear import stamp evidence to know for certain.
  • The guns were stamped with the G immediately after import during the 15 day grace period to record all information according to ATF regs.  I'm not 100% certain of the legal technicalities of this one.  I think the ATF rule against altering and obliterating a S/N applies after the 15 day grace period from release of US customs custody is up, they are officially recorded in a bound book, and any updated ATF form 6A changes are made.  I think less likely than the export stamp hypothesis, but we could discount this one 100% if we found two guns with the same prefix/suffix with unaffiliated import stamps. (for example, a CAI gun and an IO gun, they have no relations with each other and use completely separate marking methods and import logistics.)
I think with more data we might be able to put this one to bed soon...
      

montigre

The "G" fonts look different to me.  The 2nd example seems more squared at the corners and slightly more elongated than the 1st.  I cannot tell if the arsenal stamps are the same.  Curiouser and couriouser.....
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Power Surge

#42
I can tell you that the majority of the 0406b guns were poly usa imports, if that helps at all. And most of them have a suffix letter.

running-man

Quote from: montigre on September 25, 2016, 03:17:58 PM
The "G" fonts look different to me.  The 2nd example seems more squared at the corners and slightly more elongated than the 1st.  I cannot tell if the arsenal stamps are the same.  Curiouser and couriouser.....

I can tell you that the arsenal stamps are both the same. /?5\'s are unique out of all Chinese Type 56's in this S/N format.

As for the G's, when I posted these on my desktop they looked identical. On my phone with max zoom, I can see a slight difference in the length of the tail at the upper right. This could be the same stamp at different strike angles or they could be different stamps altogether.
      

Loose}{Cannon

Quote from: Power Surge on September 25, 2016, 03:31:25 PM
I can tell you that the majority of the 0406b guns were poly usa imports, if that helps at all. And most of them have a suffix letter.

What the heck is an '0406bee' thingy?   :-X

dead2
      
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