Question about firing a SKS without it's gas tube....

[owenj492]

So on this "other" forum, someone posted about their recent PSA SKS and it's gas tube that has a hole in it possibly from corrosive ammo and not being cleaned, etc....well someone posted a reply that kind of got to me as a major red flag: he said the SKS can be fired without it's gas tube, like a bolt action rifle.

Now my military side said, hell no, that is unsafe, but apparently it is okay with some of the others on that forum, so I ask all of you, what do you think? This is a Chinese SKS from Palmetto State Armory AND not a Yugoslavian M59/66!!!!

Me..I find it unsafe....

[carls sks]

no idea, good question. would never have thought of firing one in that kind of shape. not safe enough for this oldfart.

[owenj492]

Myself, I would not fire ANY weapon that was not fully assembled or missing parts.....

[Phosphorus32]

I'm with you owenj492. 

If you fire a Type 56 without a gas tube, gases will still come out through the gas port and into the gas block which is designed to direct that gas jet, roughly back toward the shooter (normally to push the gas piston and op rod backwards). That seems like an "ungood" situation, even with goggles or a face shield, but to each their own  I mean, yeah, it'll function like a bolt action but the gasses in the face part doesn't appeal to me.

[Shoot The Refurbs]

I've heard of some rumors of things being done with coins and regulators/gas tubes in the past but have never experimented much myself. The most adjusting I ever did to a gas regulator was to change the fire rate in a M240B which isn't exactly rocket science 

Who knows, maybe RM or someone comes along and explains how the gas tube was specifically designed to fit a 50 kopeyki piece 

[Greatguns]

Only SKS type rifle that can be fired safely without the gas tube is the M59/66 and that is only if you close and lock the gas valve into grenade mode which shuts of the gas from the piston/tube. In effect it turns it into a bolt action rifle. Any other SKS you would have to plug the gas port otherwise you'd get gas blast straight back into your face. NOT a good idea.

[owenj492]

Funny thing is I reported the comment to a administrator, and I was contacted as to why I reported it AND was told that you can do that (firing without gas tube) anyway!

HINT: the other forum that was down for a few....

Like I said, UNSAFE & DANGEROUS IF YOU ASK ME!

[Greasemonkey]

Is it safe... Nope, but it will fire and not cycle, it would in my book be no safer than a revolver cylinder gap. I would NOT dare put my hand near the gap or that gas block and wear face and ear protection. Given the SKS block is pretty far away, so some blast may dissipate in open air.

HUGE DISCLAIMER....Do I condone those acts nope.   

Same reason I wear eye and ear protection, especially with a Hakim and it's direct impingment gas system, straight hot stinking gas through the gas tube to your facial area... 

[Bacarnal]

Boil it down and it's right down there in the, "Hey y'all, watch this", category but not quite in the Darwin awards area.  As GM alluded,  .

[Greatguns]

Boil it down and it's right down there in the, "Hey y'all, watch this", category but not quite in the Darwin awards area.  As GM alluded,  .

Kind of like the dumb kid who shot himself in the arm with a glock "just cause"

[Tbone13]

It's all fun and games til somebody gets their eye put out.
What I'd do is fix my rifle then fire it.
The person asking this must have only one gun and a pressing need to go shooting.
Or just a goofball planning a YT video.

[running-man]

Well, a gun is safe until it isn't.  It's not like you have much time to contemplate things between the time you pull the trigger and when something bad happens.

I would be most worried about some small piece of FOD getting blown into your face at several hundred feet per second.  I'm with you Owen, definitely unsafe and asking for something bad to happen.  In my mind it's the same as knowingly firing a gun with bad headspace or firing really hot handloads that you *know* bulge cases & balloon out primers.  99 times out of 100 you're ok, but it's that one time you're not that's the real kicker:

[Justin Hell]

Ninny advice from a bunch of ninnies at a ninny board.
Unless the poster states HOW to make that safe it isn't...essentially you would have to plug the gas block orifice and/or the mouth that feeds the gas tube....it's not a simple task, unless you know a plumber with an awesome set of tools......he can fix it. 

Unfortunately speaking of how it could be done would lead to democrats causing another conundrum to the gun community using words they don't know, that they will the redefine legally so they 'can' talk about it,,,and we as a community will have to discern whether a gas block is an assault feature.

Barrel shroud wingnut ninnies I say!
Both in government, and at that board.

Going there for advice would be akin to asking a great grandparent about how to deal with marital issues....you can't just smack it in the ass and demand a sandwich and hope for the best. In this case, you would smack it in the ass and get a face full of what you deserved.  Although, once you wake up, they do have sammiches at the hospital.

I want to use my VPN to create a good guy character there...but good advice will get you banned....regardless.

[owenj492]

Ninny advice from a bunch of ninnies at a ninny board.
Unless the poster states HOW to make that safe it isn't...essentially you would have to plug the gas block orifice and/or the mouth that feeds the gas tube....it's not a simple task, unless you know a plumber with an awesome set of tools......he can fix it. 

Unfortunately speaking of how it could be done would lead to democrats causing another conundrum to the gun community using words they don't know, that they will the redefine legally so they 'can' talk about it,,,and we as a community will have to discern whether a gas block is an assault feature.

Barrel shroud wingnut ninnies I say!
Both in government, and at that board.

Going there for advice would be akin to asking a great grandparent about how to deal with marital issues....you can't just smack it in the ass and demand a sandwich and hope for the best. In this case, you would smack it in the ass and get a face full of what you deserved.  Although, once you wake up, they do have sammiches at the hospital.

I want to use my VPN to create a good guy character there...but good advice will get you banned....regardless.

I have not visited that site since posting this topic, just don't feel comfortable after that.

[auskip07]

i would only do it if you could cap off the gas exhaust.   I wouldnt compare it to a plugged barrel or improperly headspaced rifle.   

if i was shooting for best group i would be temped to try it.   

[auskip07]

whats the story behind this?    that looks like a christian arms rifle. 1k+   (not after that shot)

[firstchoice]

 

whats the story behind this?    that looks like a christian arms rifle. 1k+   (not after that shot)

Talk about "catastrophic failure"!  Hoo-weee dang!  I would like to know the actual cause of the failure, though.  I couldn't figure out what all that debris was at first. It had split the front rest on his Lead Sled, or whatever make it is. Wasn't much it didn't split. Probably all the way to the seat of his pants. At least he's got an interesting wall-hanger now.     

firstchoice

[Larry D.]

Looking at the muzzle.
What's that on the end?

[Greatguns]

Looking at the muzzle.
What's that on the end?

It's just a muzzle brake

[Bubbazinetti]

Yikes! You can see the cloud of sawdust from the shrapnel blown down into the shooting bench at the moment of discharge.Hard to imagine anyone not getting at least seriously injured after an incident like that.