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Strange bolt trio?

Started by Boris Badinov, February 25, 2020, 06:03:00 PM

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Boris Badinov

This triplet popped up on the afkiles.

Never seen anything like it.

The small  "circle 2" (2)  immediately made me think if the '02' FEG arsenal stamp.

But I really have no idea.



jmaurer

Boris, the 02- prefix makes me think of Hungarian-marked 91/30s. I hope these aren't Hungarian. But I hope these are Hungarian...

Just when you think you've got a handle on all possible variations, right? But there lies (for me) the attraction of collecting the SKS!


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Greasemonkey

Many, many moons and beers ago... :o I remember seeing that...somewhere.. I'm thinking Chinese.
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running-man

They are Chinese type 56 bolts. I suspect they are replacements and not original to any gun, as they don't have serials, but I doubt anyone truly knows.

I'll see if I can dredge up some photos of others I have in their respective guns. I honestly don't remember what arsenals might be represented. 
      

Boris Badinov

Thanks.

The font does look Chinese. But the circle 2 had me thinking, especially after those Hungarian rebuilds popped up in a thread on gunboards.

Greasemonkey

Just to throw it out there.. most of the Hungarian stuff I have, the 02 Hungarian stamp is stand alone.. There is no 02- anywhere on it, that seems to be the trend, like Poland and their 11 stamp, it's a stand alone stamp with no prefix or suffix.
I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse......

Leave the gun, take the cannoli.

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running-man

Found one after a quick search.  I know there are probably 4 or 5 in my files, but they are eluding me.




Obviously we know the bolt on this early six digit /26\ should match, yet doesn't.   thumb1

I wonder if the 70 and 69 at the end is indicative of a mfgr date?
      

running-man

      

Boris Badinov

Quote from: Greasemonkey on February 25, 2020, 10:10:28 PM
Just to throw it out there.. most of the Hungarian stuff I have, the 02 Hungarian stamp is stand alone.. There is no 02- anywhere on it, that seems to be the trend, like Poland and their 11 stamp, it's a stand alone stamp with no prefix or suffix.

Roger that.

I was riffing off of the thread on gunboards about the Hungarian soviet rebuilds. The poster, a guy who says he works for FEG, claims that the new barrels and other parts and furniture have '02' stamps on them. 

And this 2 inside the circle is a lot different than the Hungarian '02' stamp


Boris Badinov

Neato. Something new every day.

Thanks for the photos RM.


Bob_The_Student

So, for the most part of what is known these bolts should they be considered aftermarket, if you will? Or original to a build?

Justin Hell

I ended up with one of these bolts a few years ago. It was new, never headspaced to a gun...and, appropriately...never stamped to match one's serial.   The odd serial stands alone on it, where the examples RM shows with guns in tote are serialed to match after being assigned to a gun.

The odd serial could mean anything, date....arsenal.... refurb facility? Just spitballing, but RM and the seller both indicated to me when I got it that it was Chinese. This is the first I have seen a secondary serial attached....

I wouldn't consider them aftermarket....but refurb parts.

I do find it interesting that one example shows it painted black, but rubbed into the white where the new serial is. Mine was painted all black, with the exception of the pin and extractor/pin IIRC. The other example is totally in the white. It could be the paint was a preservative ala BBQ paint....as these were expected to be on shelves until the need arose?  The two RM examples could indicate the fastidiousness or laziness of the refurber.

The OP examples are stripped, and painted all black....why mine was assembled with the loose parts in the white, yet not installed is a mystery to me.  It did come in a sealed bag with a bit of oil on it....not cosmoline.  Could it be that examples like mine were intended for field replacement supply caches...ready to file and go?

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Parts from an armorers kit maybe?
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Justin Hell

Quote from: Larry D. on February 26, 2020, 10:47:43 AM
Parts from an armorers kit maybe?

Could be...occasionally you will find firing pins coated in the same paint.

Perhaps someday we will be friendly with a country who has a later service cache of mothballed SKSs with examples of these in them.

If mine was indeed imported packaged as it was, it would seem to point to a later supply of parts, rather than the wax paper a lot of the Chinese parts came in. Perhaps even more modern than we might surmise if it isn't a date code in the initial stamping.  If RM's examples also include the importer...it might lend insight.  EDIT: duh, missed that in the pics sorry. :) If they were an earlier supply of spare parts...you would think they would have shown up on earlier imports that were refurbished....possibly even on the commercial guns.  But since that doesn't seem to be the case...I wouldn't be surprised if these are as modern as late 80's possibly early 90's....if they were still making some parts to possibly continue the soon to be doomed supply to the US.

EDIT 2: Do we know much about when/where/and who these importers may have brought in these guns? It might help with a timeline.

Loose}{Cannon

Replacement chinese bolts for certain. 
      
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