Russian BAR ???

[1mlt]

I watched a movie about the Russians holding off the Germans during WWII outside of Moscow. It was a good movie, the Russians won that battle. Supposedly, a true story. Anyway, there was a rifle in the movie that resembled the US BAR. It wasn't, but operated the same. Did the Russians have a BAR type rifle? What was it?

Marcus

[Bacarnal]

Was it possibly an SVT-40 or the automatic AVT-40?

[Greasemonkey]

Maybe the Fedorov Avtomat

[1mlt]

I think it was this one:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_wz._1928
This is the movie: 
Marcus

[Larry D.]

Pretty good flick.

[astronut]

I am going to watch that film when I have time.  It looks interesting!

[firstchoice]

Marcus, I watched that entire movie and never saw the BAR you spoke of. Do you have a spot in the film to check for it?

Saw a lot of SVT's, Mosin Nagants, and PPsH's.

Pretty good film for a "read-the-dialogue" type. Enjoyed most of it.

firstchoice

[1mlt]

Marcus, I watched that entire movie and never saw the BAR you spoke of. Do you have a spot in the film to check for it?

Saw a lot of SVT's, Mosin Nagants, and PPsH's.

Pretty good film for a "read-the-dialogue" type. Enjoyed most of it.

firstchoice

It was toward the end. I'll try and find it.Marcus

It was at 1:12:30. There may be another shot of it further on.

Marcus

[firstchoice]

I saw one of the Degtyaryov DP28's, and the single-shot Anti-Tank rifle that was used repeatedly. But I know that's not what you're referring to.

The Degtyaryov:



The movie actually showcased a pretty good selection of Russian WW2 small arms. Down to the Tokarev pistol. And the soldiers shooting the Mosin Nagants were having a heckuva time with the bolts. hehe

firstchoice

[Bacarnal]

The movie actually showcased a pretty good selection of Russian WW2 small arms. Down to the Tokarev pistol. "And the soldiers shooting the Mosin Nagants were having a heckuva time with the bolts. hehe"

firstchoice
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That's what happens when you put a bolt handle on a brick .

[Phosphorus32]

Cool movie with a lot of great firearms, as already mentioned  I especially enjoyed the PTRD-41 antitank rifle  I need to watch the whole movie.

The movie actually showcased a pretty good selection of Russian WW2 small arms. Down to the Tokarev pistol. And the soldiers shooting the Mosin Nagants were having a heckuva time with the bolts. hehe

firstchoice

  Of course, 1. they aren't actually soldiers, and 2. they are using the same force-matched refurbed M91/30s partially cleaned of ersatz Cosmoline, like the Mosins most familiar to John and Jane America

[firstchoice]

Cool movie with a lot of great firearms, as already mentioned  I especially enjoyed the PTRD-41 antitank rifle  I need to watch the whole movie.

The movie actually showcased a pretty good selection of Russian WW2 small arms. Down to the Tokarev pistol. And the soldiers shooting the Mosin Nagants were having a heckuva time with the bolts. hehe

firstchoice

  Of course, 1. they aren't actually soldiers, and 2. they are using the same force-matched refurbed M91/30s partially cleaned of ersatz Cosmoline, like the Mosins most familiar to John and Jane America

Yep, I only laugh because I've been there.    I finally figured out the importance of cleaning out the breech end of the receiver with a wire brush with my Dremel. Works pretty slick now. Even after cleaning it good, using the laquer coated steel casings on the x54R ammo was like putting hot caramel in the chamber and quick freezing it. My brother got his MN nice and hot and left a round in it without trying to eject it until it completely cooled. We liked to never got that out of there! (Actually, I did the same with one of my Norinco 1911 A1 .45acp pistols, too. Was weird not being able to eject the round regardless of how hard I tried.) I preferred the "poly-coated", or whatever they call it, steel cases.

firstchoice

[Phosphorus32]

Hey FC, im just sticking up for the much-maligned Mosin   

I’ve only shot surplus or PPU brass cased ammo out of my Mosins. Definitely, meticulous cleaning is important. The asphaltene residue of the Soviet preservative, which is the non-volatile difficult to dissolve fraction that gets left behind, is quite sticky. I clean thoroughly with solvent (WD-40, Remoil, so oily solvents), swabs and wood picks, then lube the lugs and races heavily with a high viscosity oil before my first time shooting a particular Mosin to let the heat and mechanical friction help dislodge any more residue, then clean again and lube lightly.

That said, I freely admit a good condition Mauser action is easier to operate than an equivalent condition Mosin 

[Greasemonkey]

This is why we were blessed with Finnish Mosins. I have had less issues with them cycling than I have the typical Russian refurb that required much more work. It's hard to go to back to an M91/30 when you've shot a M27 or an M39. Just keep that chamber clean.

[running-man]

I have had less issues with them cycling than I have the typical Russian refurb that required much more work a small mallet.

Fixed it for ya GM. 

[Phosphorus32]

I have had less issues with them cycling than I have the typical Russian refurb that required much more work a small mallet.

Fixed it for ya GM. 

That's why every Soviet soldier carried a couple of extra rounds of 14.5×114mm PTRD/PTRS-41 ammo. This provided ammo back up for his platoon's AT rifle team, and also could be used to encourage movement of the bolt of his Mosin, or the ability to slip an empty case over the handle for extra leverage. (This is how internet myths get started).

[astronut]

I have always found my Chinese T53 mosin rifles to have "slicker" bolt actions than the Russian 91/30, M38, and the M44 rifles.  My favorite Chinese T53 rifle that I have, I nicknamed "owl ****" because of its super slick bolt action!   

[MxwllBkr]

I saw one of the Degtyaryov DP28's, and the single-shot Anti-Tank rifle that was used repeatedly. But I know that's not what you're referring to.

The Degtyaryov:




firstchoice

I have been wanting a semi dp-28..... I actually bought a bunch of the mags when they went on sale last year at one of the online retailers......

[Larry D.]

A quick note on Mosin chambers -
Take a 20 gauge bore brush and 1 or 2 sections of cleaning rod.
Chuck it up in a drill and go after the chamber from the back. Use whatever solvents you prefer.

I've done this a couple of times with decent results, but it ruins the 20ga brush.

[Greasemonkey]

A .410 brush wrapped in steel wool, dunked in solvent works, least you get a few uses out of the brush.