New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread

[Loose}{Cannon]

Posted on gunboards.....  I am also recording the 1.5s in the other thread

[Phosphorus32]

To easy to go off the rails if you don't know your stuff man...

These guns were likely piggybacked off the previous imports from 7 years ago and imported via the old 1956 + millions serial number, so it is unlikely there will be year 14 numbers in this lot, 50 years from 2019 = 1969.  1956+13 = 1969.  The year 15 guns have been mistakenly ID'd as year 1 guns and allowed in  IMO but those are bound to be a pretty small portion of these guns based on what we know about the production numbers that year.   

I'm confused with Chinese dating. You say 1956 +13= 1969. Other members count 1955+13=1968.

RM was one of the founders who came up with the current dating system. In the quote above he’s referring to the dating system under which they were imported.

[running-man]

I'm confused with Chinese dating. You say 1956 +13= 1969. Other members count 1955+13=1968.

Hi Jaro,

No worries, I forget that the audience here is not always members who have been around through the past 5 years.

New SKS-Files Dating system: 1956 + year code - 1 (essentially 1955 + year code)
Old Kehaya & Poyer / howiebearse system: 1956 + millions code.

You can see where the old system breaks down for the year 15 /26\ guns, as has been seen in some of these imports.  These guns are serial number 1,5XX,XXX. 

Under the New SKS-Files system they are year 15 guns from 1970 (1955 + 15 = 1970), and not quite yet considered C&R under the 50 year old rule (2019-1970=49 years old).
Under the old system they are 1 million series guns of 1957 vintage (1956 + 1 = 1957) and would be considered C&R under the 50 year old rule (2019-1957=62 years old).  Unfortunately, a quick look at the feature set of the carbines tells us this is crazy talk: spike bayonet, short barrel lug, non lightened bolt carrier, non lightened FSB, side sling swivels, large font on the stock.   These features are all indicative of type 56 carbines produced after 1957.  It appears at first blush that the old system is what the importer used to bring these carbines into the country.  ATF appears to have accepted this (indeed they use a '1 million' example in page 2 of their response letter I posted in the Q: Are Chinese Type 56 SKSs Classified as C&R? thread, so it is what it is (even if we are pretty sure we are right and they are not).

[jaroslav]

Thank you, RM for your reply. I didn't  spend much time learning about Chinese dating, because here in Canada we can have any SKS no matter what year. I'm surprised some of the US laws are much more strict than ours.

[Larry D.]

Thank you, RM for your reply. I didn't  spend much time learning about Chinese dating, because here in Canada we can have any SKS no matter what year. I'm surprised some of the US laws are much more strict than ours.

It's because there were some knee-jerk, arbitrary laws put on the books to get people re-elected and make people feel good.

Kinda like why Chicago is such a safe place to live because they have Draconianly strict gun laws.....

[running-man]

MongooseLaw over at Gunboards has posted up a nice shot of the import stamp:



I've included it in the first post of this thread as well on the Chinese importer's page.

Edit: Here's a second photo from the same source with a bit better lighting:

[Greasemonkey]

I actually got something right for once  

That's my one for the year

[Phosphorus32]

I actually got something right for once  

That's my one for the year

[Justin Hell]

At least it's a neat font. 

I would be tempted to cold blue that where it is...both for rust prevention, and aesthetics... It should have been on the other side.

[running-man]

Laugh Justin!  You know what rots me when looking at that stamp.  The %$#% "NY" doesn't line up right justified directly under the "7.62".  There's an extra character in there. 

[Justin Hell]

Laugh Justin!  You know what rots me when looking at that stamp.  The %$#% "NY" doesn't line up right justified directly under the "7.62".  There's an extra character in there. 

Just use your imagination....there's a secret invisible comma in there.

[Phosphorus32]

Just use your imagination....there's a secret...in there.

Great anagram letters:
SKANEEATLES NY

E SKS TEA LANE NY
KANE ATE LESS NY
EELS NEAT SKA NY
EAT LES SNAKE NY

[Greasemonkey]

Just use your imagination....there's a secret...in there.

Great anagram letters:
SKANEEATLES NY

E SKS TEA LANE NY
KANE ATE LESS NY
EELS NEAT SKA NY
EAT LES SNAKE NY

Hidden message....I got it!!!!!   Justin was right.....

There is an anagram from all the letters in SKANEEATLES NY..just for Boris...

A Sneaky Nestle  a super stealthy imported chocolate bar 

And one that started with Anal... Well, uhmmm...'ll just stop there.

[Boris Badinov]

A 16th year gun reported on the other forum.

Five digit, 16xxx. No photos...yet.

Owner claims it to be all matching.

[edit] false alarm. Five digit 16K carbine from first year. Spike bayo, on a stock cut for a blade.

[running-man]

Nice trench art on this one by JoDaBo on theAKforum https://www.theakforum.net/forums/60-sks/304013-classic-arms-got-shipment-sks-s-post2871907.html%20#post2871907

[Direct Connection]

That one could pass as an Albanian cousin  Im glad I held off on these for the sole purpose of others to be able have one 

[wpasks]

First post after getting my 3rd SKS, hello all.  I'm curious about dates.  I have a 26 arsenal 56 type that has the "五六式" but is only in the 1 million serial number range.  Shouldn't it be much higher with the Chinese script?  Looking forward to hearing some thoughts, and providing more info. on the gun if needed.  Thanks.

[Boris Badinov]

First post after getting my 3rd SKS, hello all.  I'm curious about dates.  I have a 26 arsenal 56 type that has the "五六式" but is only in the 1 million serial number range.  Shouldn't it be much higher with the Chinese script?  Looking forward to hearing some thoughts, and providing more info. on the gun if needed.  Thanks.

Are the first two digits of the serial 15?

If so, it's a 1970 year of manufacture.

[wpasks]

Yes they are.  Funny enough, me and the gun are the same year of manufacture then & starting to feel like curiosities and relics!  So it's not 15 million for 1970 it's 1 million 500 thousand?

[Boris Badinov]

Yes they are.  Funny enough, me and the gun are the same year of manufacture then & starting to feel like curiosities and relics!  So it's not 15 million for 1970 it's 1 million 500 thousand?

The 15prefix indicates 15th year of production. It was a very low production year -- fewer than 20,000 guns, -- so there are only 5digit places after the 15th year prefix.

The 'millions' place holder is a misnomer, and is  therefore misleading. For ~99% of the type 56's, The first 1 or 2 digits indicate the chronological year of manufacture. While the rest of the world serial indicates the number of guns produced.