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Title: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 19, 2019, 02:42:17 PM
This thread is for tracking the type 56 SKSs that Classic Firearms has begun selling as of March 18, 2019.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/chinese-sks-rifle-762x39/

https://youtu.be/N5_8IXtPNCo

The video shows quite a few crates being opened and various firearms being looked at.  From the video and our knowledge of past imports, we think we know the following information:

These guns are all Chinese Type 56 spike bayonet guns with C&R status.  This infers that the S/N range should be year 9 to year 13 or 14 depending on the dating scheme you want to use. (Classic has a year 15 gun on their website, clearly this gun is not 50 years old per the SKS-Files dating scheme, but as we know from previous imports, mistakes are made, then corrected, at the end of the day, everyone has done the best job they could at identifying these properly and following the spirit if not the letter of the law.)
(https://i.ibb.co/ysjGjvv/11281619-rreceiver.jpg)

These guns are very likely Chinese guns via Albania.  Some of them clearly have beechwood replacement stocks:
(https://i.ibb.co/R7qPZqB/beech-stock.jpg)

They have a fair amount of trench art as was seen in previous Sino-banian and Yugoslavian imports:
(https://i.ibb.co/cyY695d/trench-art1.jpg)

Many have cracked stocks or are missing cleaning rods.  Some have MacGuyver type hardware repairs where needed:
(https://i.ibb.co/2M7HYGj/cracked-stock.jpg)

Replacement bayonets are all over the map, there are three different type here with std tri-lobe Chinese, a blued Mosin style bayonet, and a paratrooper sized cut down trilobe Chinese bayonet all shown in just this one crate.  There is also a gun in the video that has a spike bayo with a blade bayo groove cut into the stock:
(https://i.ibb.co/SX0MF9B/bayonets.jpg)

Importer appears to be (per GM's excellent detective work!):
SKS JIANSHE CHINA 7.62x39
FOXTROT SKANEATELES NY
(https://i.ibb.co/WsV9rGL/import1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/TYw8yBT/import2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QNCJHQN/import3.jpg)

Edit: We were right on the importer.  Good job GM!  thumb1
(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/import_stamps/FOXTROT_SKANEATELES_NY.jpg)

They got quite a few in with at least 6 crates opened in the video and probably more off camera:
(https://i.ibb.co/4WcR9N8/crate1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZcmCsgg/crate2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Jp1T6j7/crate3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PwLcGC1/crate4.jpg)

And there are 18 crates in this image taken at the importer.  18 crates at 50 rifles per crate is 900 guns at least:
(https://i.ibb.co/GvSjVYp/importer-crates.jpg)


So quite exciting as up to now we haven't had a single Chinese T56 spike bayo gun that was verified as a C&R import.  This will open the doors to *all* original configuration type 56s with spike bayonets in the serial number range of year 9 to year 13 are indeed C&R rifles as of 2019.  (Year 13 guns were made in 1968 per the SKS-Files dating method, 2019 - 1968 = 51 years ... we leave the extra year in there because we don't know the exact day of manufacture.  We want to ensure they are *over* 50 years old because there is some question as to whether a gun made on Jan 1 vs one made on Dec 31 can both be called 50 years old on August 20th 50 years later, but there is no question that they are both *at least* 50 years old on Jan 1st 51 years later.) 

Please post up photos of your new buys and we will start a tracking thread going.  If you want to XX out the last two digits of your serial number, that is perfectly fine.  The last two digits are not necessary for the type of data analysis we are planning on doing with this list. 

We'd like to find out the S/N ranges, general condition, clear Albanian connections, the exact import stamp, and any additional information we might be able to glean out of this import.  As we know, once this import batch is sold at retail and scattered to the four winds, our opportunity at gathering this data goes *poof*. 

Thanks for all your help!  thumb1
-RM

Photos from various auction sites and internet postings are used under 17 U.S. Code § 107, fair use, not for profit educational purposes.  If any of the photos in this post are yours and you explicitly do not want them shown, please contact me.

Edit 3/20/2019: From a member of the 'other' boards who bought one of these:
Quote from: ILikeyMySKS
Howdy fellow SKS fellers,

I just ordered 1 of them SKS's from Classic even though I thought it was too pricey.  I asked which country they came in from. I held for a long time while they checked and  was expecting Albania as an answer (because the last few I ordered from Classic a few years back came from Albania but they had blade bayonets).

They came back and  said the country they were imported from was Austria. Now they could have originated in Albania years ago, but these were imported from Austria. I was so surprised you could have knocked me over with a feather when I heard Austria.

I'm gonna check the trap door in the stock for Austrian beer bottle caps and Vienna Sausages!  :)

I will get some pix up when it shows up.

They said they had more than 300 of them left in  stock.

Of course, the Classic ad has numerous errors all throughout it but who knows with these.  It's an intriguing piece of evidence, even if the source is highly suspect. 

Another piece of supporting evidence unearthed by GM is this:
https://panjiva.com/Foxtrot-Lima-Enterprises-Llc/46796517

Then I started to snoop around and found this:
https://www.importgenius.com/suppliers/limex-gmbh

It appears that FL is indeed getting various weapons such as Mosin Nagants from German Austrian suppliers (Limex GMBH).  It's not a stretch to say that these type 56s also came via the same supply channel.

Edit: It appears Classic has gotten a new batch in.  (thanks to P32 from this post (https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=4421.msg50122#msg50122) way down this thread)
Per Classic's webpage:
Quote from: https://www.classicfirearms.com/chinese-sks-rifle-762x39/
Update 05/07/2019 - These are the remainder of the very exclusive lot of rifles that we originally offered several weeks ago. We committed to this entire lot of rifles very early in the year but they got separated onto 2 different vessels during the import process and this second batch took far longer to arrive than expected. The good news is that they are finally here and we are happy to be able to offer them.

New thread with Ben pimping the remaining lot:
https://youtu.be/53E5pvjCkgQ
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 19, 2019, 02:42:31 PM
Serial Numbers:

Year 9 /26\:

Year 10 /26\:
1015431x 10155xxx

Year 11 /26\:
1120144x 1122647x 1123184x 1123565x 1123912x 1124060x 1124747x 1124763x 1125016x 1125815x 1128161x 1128280x 1128337x 1128339x 1129282x 1129481x 1129947x 1130596x 1143348x 11437xxx

Year 12 /26\:

Year 13 /26\:

Year 14 /26\:

Year 15 /26\:
151177x 151301x 151355x 151xxxx 151590x
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 19, 2019, 02:48:41 PM
Quote
Replacement bayonets are all over the map, there are three different type here with std tri-lobe Chinese, a blued Mosin style bayonet, and a paratrooper sized cut down trilobe Chinese bayonet all shown in just this one crate.  There is also a gun in the video that has a spike bayo with a blade bayo groove cut into the stock:

 nea1  bat1

Bet it's a Chinese Type 56 Ak spike bayonet, they are around 2 1/2 inches shorter than a regular SKS spike..................a Paratrooper is commercial  :)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 19, 2019, 02:51:27 PM
I thought that, but Chinese AK spikes aren't quite that short are they?  I think Albanian Bubba ground it down to get it to fit in the blade bayo slot in the stock instead of milling the wood out properly.   chuckles1

Edit: This was bugging me so I checked "worldbayonets.com" http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/China/China_2.html#t56c

T56 carbine (SKS) bayo total length is 12"
T56 rifle (AK) bayo total length is 9.75"

It's plausible GM...I didn't think there was that big a different in them but there clearly is.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 19, 2019, 02:56:51 PM
I thought that, but Chinese AK spikes aren't quite that short are they?  I think Albanian Bubba ground it down to get it to fit in the blade bayo slot in the stock instead of milling the wood out properly.   chuckles1

Could be...but, it looks like around 2 inches is missing

Type 56 Carbine Blade length 12.00 - SKS
Type 56 Rifle Blade length 9.75 - AK

http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/China/China_2.html
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 19, 2019, 03:01:20 PM
ROFL, too late man  :P
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on March 19, 2019, 03:08:36 PM
Looks to me like bubba ground it down because instead of grinding the top/bottom, they ground the sides. There is a clear shot of this in the Baby Gap commercial..
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Justin Hell on March 20, 2019, 06:21:47 PM
I initially thought Chinese AK bayo when I saw that too...but I wonder if they were just trying to fit a Chinese bayonet into either a blade stock or Albanian....and ground it down?  I about choked on my coffee when he said it was a paratrooper bayonet.  chuckles1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on March 20, 2019, 07:45:06 PM
I initially thought Chinese AK bayo when I saw that too...but I wonder if they were just trying to fit a Chinese bayonet into either a blade stock or Albanian....and ground it down?  I about choked on my coffee when he said it was a paratrooper bayonet.  chuckles1

No, no, it's a Vietnamese Paratrooper Bayonet, very rare  :o 8) rofl
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 20, 2019, 08:27:31 PM
Great photo editing  above.

Thanks.

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 20, 2019, 09:58:19 PM
Added a bit of info to the end of the OP with regard to these coming from Austria.  It's actually somewhat likely that they did indeed come from Albania via Austria.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on March 20, 2019, 11:13:06 PM
Added a bit of info to the end of the OP with regard to these coming from Austria.  It's actually somewhat likely that they did indeed come from Albania via Austria.  thumb1

Interesting. Albania sells to Limex in Strau, Austria, they sell to importers like FL or PW Arms and ship them across the pond, they sell to retailers like Classic. Yikes, no wonder they’re pricey. Wonder how much Albania charges Limex per SKS?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 20, 2019, 11:26:13 PM
Added a bit of info to the end of the OP with regard to these coming from Austria.  It's actually somewhat likely that they did indeed come from Albania via Austria.  thumb1

Interesting. Albania sells to Limex in Strau, Austria, they sell to importers like FL or PW Arms and ship them across the pond, they sell to retailers like Classic. Yikes, no wonder they’re pricey. Wonder how much Albania charges Limex per SKS?

https://ammoterra.com/company-limex-gmbh-products
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on March 21, 2019, 12:20:04 AM
Uh, I’ll take one of each  :o
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 22, 2019, 05:47:28 AM
I'm guessing there will be no 14th year guns.

However, if there are,  wouldn't his mean that C&R was granted on some basis other than the 50 year requirement?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 22, 2019, 11:21:53 AM
I'm guessing there will be no 14th year guns.

However, if there are,  wouldn't his mean that C&R was granted on some basis other than the 50 year requirement?

One has to remember... weapons like the Cz.82 and some Yugo M59/66s are from the 80's and C&R. There is the other side, Curio.. that could meet the requirements.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 22, 2019, 11:58:42 AM
One has to remember... weapons like the Cz.82 and some Yugo M59/66s are from the 80's and C&R. There is the other side, Curio.. that could meet the requirements.

Yep. P32 may have found proof of this. He seems to have located a 14mil serial in Classic's un-crating video:

https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?1082683-Shipment-of-Chinese-SKS-rifles&p=9655505#post9655505

The photo is kinda blurry, and the 7's appear to be with serif (thought they were sans-serif by 12th or 13th year, but who knows?).


My logic followed the path of least resistance for the importers-- which seems like it would be to go with the already method already approved by the BATF 56+millions and /26\ only-- inaccurate as it may be.

Maybe the they took the long way around this time, and submitted a curio request on historical appeal.

If true, one can only wonder if this will open the floodgates for all standard configuration carbines?

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on March 22, 2019, 12:16:44 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/MDdHVjG/Classic-14-million-Type-56.png)

I consider the 14 million guns C&R. They're 50 years old by calendar year of manufacture, which is as precise as the law says you need to be. Personal opinion, not official SKS Files guidance.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 22, 2019, 12:23:51 PM

Maybe the they took the long way around this time, and submitted a request on historical appeal.

One can only wonder if this will open the floodgates for all standard configuration carbines?

And if they find them later or a non /26\

It could be like the last batch, the ATF will flag and sequester certain ones for destruction because they don't meet requirements.

Kinda where collectors can be their own worse enemy.... posting photos and hashing out the dates,"Oh look I got a '71 model", it's a "insert your favorite infernal word here" bat1. Guess people don't think the ATF keeps tabs on forums such as this, that Facebook thang, Twatter and and other social media crap, they don't have the man power to examine every rifle and everything online could give them a general consensus of whats being sold at retail. Then they can tell the retailer/importer, any above serial numbers above BR549 needs to be sequestered/set aside and we, the ATF will take control of them.

How and where did they figure out the last batch had Russians in the batch? an importer or retailer aint going to say anything, thats cash money waiting for a buyer, sell'em as fast as possible, make as much as possible... The ATF ain't going to reimburse them if snatched up due to a legal issue, it's give us the rifles or face legal repercussions for selling weapon grade contraband and join us at Club Fed, where we offer free cable TV, exercise facilities and 3 hots and a cot!!

Time will tell. thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 22, 2019, 12:29:17 PM
I consider the 14 million guns C&R. They're 50 years old by calendar year of manufacture, which is as precise as the law says you need to be. Personal opinion, not official SKS Files guidance.

If the 14mil was granted status using the modern dating theory, then there is argument enough that 1969 d.o.m. would qualify for C&R.

However the 1.5mill gun indicates that the modern theory was NOT used.

In fact the arrival of both 14th and 15th year guns carries the suggestion that NEITHER dating method was used. This C&R batch may have come through on a Curio Request.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on March 22, 2019, 01:15:46 PM
I consider the 14 million guns C&R. They're 50 years old by calendar year of manufacture, which is as precise as the law says you need to be. Personal opinion, not official SKS Files guidance.

If the 14mil was granted status using the modern dating theory, then there is argument enough that 1969 d.o.m. would qualify for C&R.

However the 1.5mill gun indicates that the modern theory was NOT used.

In fact the arrival of both 14th and 15th year guns carries the suggestion that NEITHER dating method was used. This C&R batch may have come through on a Curio Request.

Yeah, I was just commenting generally that I would accept a 14 million on my C&R license and list it in my FFL-03 book.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 22, 2019, 04:45:33 PM
In fact the arrival of both 14th and 15th year guns carries the suggestion that NEITHER dating method was used. This C&R batch may have come through on a Curio Request.

Like I said......... give the ATF due time  thumb1  Let them cypher through all the social media, 4473's and forums....if there are ones they don't like or suit their policies, don't think for a hot minute those remaining rifles in vendors inventory won't vanish from existence and be quickly turned in to a Prius.

Again.. remember those Russians they swiped up from the last batch, they aren't shy about it. You keep banging the drum of they did this or that, and thats what allowed them in, which this early in the game is pointless in my opinion, it hasn't even been a week since the 'ol Blubber Nugget threw them up for sale. Do you know for a fact under which definition they were imported under, be it a Curio or the Relic determination? Did or have you called the ATF to verify this information? Dealing with a government agency, especially a card carrying member of the tax paid Alphabet Klan, never assume!!! They may be a little slow on the take up, but when they move, they are quick and ruthless.

I'm sure they, being the BATFE did or do not see or examine every rifle or serial number, they don't have that much man power to check thousands of rifles, besides, they can get a bead on whats being sold through serials listed on 4473's(some people don't have C&R licenses) and social media. If they did examine every rifle, they should have caught and eradicated those previously mentioned Russians that entered before they even hit the market, and no one would have ever knew about them entering.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 22, 2019, 06:10:47 PM
Considering we don't have a single photos of one of these up on this site yet (I know there are several up on gunboards), I think everyone here is jumping the gun regarding what the importer/exporter/AFT did or didn't do and what XYZ knows or doesn't know.  There can be zero final conclusions drawn at this point in time except to say that a new batch of C&R type 56 carbines has been allowed in and classic is selling them for $419 + various handpick fees. 

We have no idea what criteria was used to import these carbines under the C&R allowance for importation of surplus military arms.  GM is 100% correct in that ATF is well known to allow certain things only to disallow them later on when they are made aware of more data.  It does nobody in the collecting community any favors to make absolute statements on this first trickle of guns and get everybody in the collecting community worked up when we simply don't know many of the details yet. 

We can say that based on our current dating system, the year 15 guns should not be deemed 50 years old as of March, 2019.  We can debate whether a year 14 gun built in late 1969 that is 49 years and 30 days can be considered/assumed to be 50 years old or not, but ultimately this will not be known until a definitive ruling is made on this specific question by the ATF Firearms Technology Branch. 

Any year 14+ guns in this import are not "sneaks" as we cannot say at this point in time that they were illicitly imported.  This differs tremendously from the Russian Sneaks of the '14 Sino-Banian import as the VRA is crystal clear and there is simply no way around it...
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 23, 2019, 04:41:48 AM

Any standard configuration Type 56 from Albania is completely  legal to import to the US after 5 years in storage.

The only.thing that would vary is C&R eligibility.

No?

I'm not a betting man. But I'm optimistic that the 14th and 15th year arrivals signals a new era in SKS C&R collecting. Sure, well have to wait and see.

But I highly doubt there will be any dawn raids on shops and homes over arms that were imported 100% above the line.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 23, 2019, 11:53:51 AM
Wasn't any black suvs, guys scaling buildings in tactical gear or raids last time..no one who bought one retail was required to turn them over or arrested.

It's simple and quiet for a vendor, a warrant is served, a cease and desist order probably gets issued after an audit, they probably get a friendly reminder your shut down and going to jail for non compliance. After which, they take possession of the contraband as it gets uncrated.

Would I put a 15million or a 1.5 million Chinese in my bound book... nope. Unless it included a letter wrapped around it's greasy arse butt stock stating it had been approved by the ATF as C&R. I don't give a damn if it has a big flashing C&R icon on any website.. show me unadulterated proof.  Just give the boys who police my 3 favorite things on the planet(Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) time do their job.. :)

The only.thing that would vary is C&R eligibility.
No?

In the grand scheme of things, Does it really matter? Is it really that much of a life changing experience to go screaming from the mountain tops about whether or not was the "C" or the "R" they were imported under? Last time I checked, the C&R license covered either the "C" part, or the "R" part, and or both, nothing has really changed after 5 renewals.


To be honest... looking at whats showing up, tells me....... Classic hasn't changed, same sh%t, different year and owner, that $20 hand picked is, pick it up and throw it in a shipping box, the same exact thing they do when your don't order hand picked. 15 years of having a C&R.....and over that dealing with this surplus stuff, what is coming from them crates thus far, to me is gun smith specials being sold at nice shooter prices, inflated prices at that. Goes to prove you can rub and smear grease all over anything, call it surplus and it will sell. 


Truthfully..... the ATF may just show some pity on this bunch.....rofl2 cause it seriously, looks nothing more than greasy junk...  I'm not saying there is not some good ones.. but I'd be a little pissed if I paid all that dough, figure half a grand after shipping and the bonus features, and got a greasy turd packed in bubble wrap. I could go to my LGS with the same 500 bucks, do the 4473(it says Norinco on it) and walk out with a spiked SKS they have with a bandoleer, a hand full of strippers and 120rds of Brown Bear and still have enough change left to hit up the local choke and puke down the street.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on March 24, 2019, 10:10:53 AM
What does choke and puke down the street mean ?  chuckles1.. I guess im late to the Classic findings. But For the guy in silicon valley who never changed a tire in his life and has just discovered he has testosterone and is dying to get his hands dirty, this could be a good start for him buying his first SkS. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 24, 2019, 10:37:38 AM
This classic howed up on another site.

Huge stock splinter on the right receiver (looked recent) and  this DIY sling swivel held in place with a nail.


(https://i.ibb.co/6WymGbc/Screenshot-20190322-175829-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YLN3J84)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on March 24, 2019, 11:29:56 AM
This classic howed up on another site.

Huge stock splinter on the right receiver (looked recent) and  this DIY sling swivel held in place with a nail.


(https://i.ibb.co/6WymGbc/Screenshot-20190322-175829-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YLN3J84)


How much extra was that option?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 24, 2019, 11:33:01 AM
No hand select on this one

But it was ordered on the first day of the sale.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 24, 2019, 11:42:40 AM
What does choke and puke down the street mean ?  chuckles1.. I guess im late to the Classic findings. But For the guy in silicon valley who never changed a tire in his life and has just discovered he has testosterone and is dying to get his hands dirty, this could be a good start for him buying his first SkS.

 rofl

A mom and pop kinda greasy spoon restaurant.. kinda place where all the locals frequent to catch up on everything..........local.

Them sorry silicon valley types really need to get out more and rely less on everyone else to change their tires. rofl2 Their testosterone comes in a bottle from GNC chuckles1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 24, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/MDdHVjG/Classic-14-million-Type-56.png)

I consider the 14 million guns C&R. They're 50 years old by calendar year of manufacture, which is as precise as the law says you need to be. Personal opinion, not official SKS Files guidance.

Could this be a blurry 10mil serial? I see at least two serif 7's.

I havent seen a lot if 14mils, but I think the serif 7's were abandoned in 12th or 13 year.
No?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 24, 2019, 09:42:01 PM
Maybe instead of worring with or sweating over individual serials, the whole lot could be looked at as being in Albania for at least 50years. That would or could negate serial dating and dating methods could be ignored for simplicity.  Even if some were from 1970, the whole imported lot in general could have been there 50+ years, regardless if it was in use or in storage.

Since China hasn't released any production stuff, just deem the whole lot 50 years old.. it works for a 1970 Albanian.. why not cut out the middle garbage and apply the same rule to a 1970 Chinese.. it's close enough for government work..

OMG...50  :o I suddenly feel old. Damn, I'm almost C&R. rofl2

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on March 24, 2019, 10:48:59 PM
 Hey LC do you have any 3X SkS files Tees laying around ?  Looks like Ben has had a long winter.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 24, 2019, 11:04:16 PM
Any standard configuration Type 56 from Albania is completely  legal to import to the US after 5 years in storage.
The only.thing that would vary is C&R eligibility.
No?
I'm not a betting man. But I'm optimistic that the 14th and 15th year arrivals signals a new era in SKS C&R collecting. Sure, well have to wait and see.
But I highly doubt there will be any dawn raids on shops and homes over arms that were imported 100% above the line.

Unfortunately this is not right.  You're confusing two very different potions of the law here.
The easy part is the '5 year rule'.  This rule stems from §447.52 (http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div8&view=text&node=27:3.0.1.2.2.6.1.2&idno=27), specifically part (e)(2), and applies to firearms manufactured in proscribed countries (which in this case is China):
Quote from: §447.52
(e) Applications for permits to import articles that were manufactured in, or have been in, a country or area proscribed under this section may be approved where the articles are covered by Category I(a) of the Import List (other than those subject to the provisions of 27 CFR Part 479), are importable as curios or relics under the provisions of 27 CFR 478.118, and meet the following criteria:

(1) The articles were manufactured in a proscribed country or area prior to the date, as established by the Department of State, the country or area became proscribed, or, were manufactured in a non-proscribed country or area; and

(2) The articles have been stored for the five year period immediately prior to importation in a non-proscribed country or area.
Note the area I highlighted in red.  We are not concerned with looking at 27 CFR Part 479 because that pertains to NFA covered items (machine guns and destructive devices), and a semi-automatic SKS does not fall into that category. 

We are concerned with 27 CFR 478, however.  In §478.112 (https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=4d84dbe8cbefa337200e31a616df2d7b&mc=true&node=pt27.3.478&rgn=div5#se27.3.478_1112): Importation by a licensed importer, we get to the crux of the matter in section (D):
Quote from: §478.112
(D) If a firearm other than a surplus military firearm, of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm under section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, and is for sporting purposes, an explanation of why the firearm is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes;

Note that I've highlighted "other than a surplus military firearm" in green.  This section is presumably what allows all, non-military firearms the ability to be imported into the US per the ATF's  'sporting rules'.  But what about 'surplus military firearms', how can they be imported?  Let's go back to part (A) of §478.112 (https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=4d84dbe8cbefa337200e31a616df2d7b&mc=true&node=pt27.3.478&rgn=div5#se27.3.478_1112) and see what can be imported:
Quote
(a) No firearm, firearm barrel, or ammunition shall be imported or brought into the United States by a licensed importer (as defined in §478.11) unless the Director has authorized the importation of the firearm, firearm barrel, or ammunition.

So it appears that the Director of the ATF 100% makes this call.  In this day and age, you'd think he would simply deny as many import applications as possible, and indeed that is what seems to be occurring with all "surplus military firearms" because these are mainly 'non-sporting firearms' and ATF does not allow the import of 'non-sporting firearms'.  There is an interesting facet of the law that forces the director's hand, and that the curio and relic importation provision of §478.118 (https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=4d84dbe8cbefa337200e31a616df2d7b&mc=true&node=pt27.3.478&rgn=div5#se27.3.478_1118)
Quote from: §478.112
Notwithstanding any other provision of this part, a licensed importer may import all rifles and shotguns classified by the Director as curios or relics,

Note the orange text.  Full stop, do not pass go, do not collect $200.  C&R classified rifles and shotguns do not need to be 'sporting' guns to be imported per this law.  So if you can prove it's a C&R rifle, you can import it, plain and simple.  Handguns are a totally different story and are covered specifically in §478.118 with specialized 'sporting' rules applied to them.

So how does all this pertain to our favorite SKS carbine.  Here's my take (you opinion may vary):
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on March 24, 2019, 11:14:44 PM
You scare me
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 24, 2019, 11:28:39 PM
To easy to go off the rails if you don't know your stuff man...

These guns were likely piggybacked off the previous imports from 7 years ago and imported via the old 1956 + millions serial number, so it is unlikely there will be year 14 numbers in this lot, 50 years from 2019 = 1969.  1956+13 = 1969.  The year 15 guns have been mistakenly ID'd as year 1 guns and allowed in  IMO but those are bound to be a pretty small portion of these guns based on what we know about the production numbers that year.   thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on March 24, 2019, 11:41:50 PM
You scare me
RM's like an old Timex... clap1 bu
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on March 25, 2019, 12:26:48 AM
Ole Ben needs a new advertising strategy.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyU6iGjfK1c
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 25, 2019, 04:28:18 AM
A very long read, rm.

But well worth it. I had to read it twice all the way through, and  then parts of it multiple times to be certain.

Thank you for the epic clarification.







Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: jaroslav on March 25, 2019, 07:03:54 PM
To easy to go off the rails if you don't know your stuff man...

These guns were likely piggybacked off the previous imports from 7 years ago and imported via the old 1956 + millions serial number, so it is unlikely there will be year 14 numbers in this lot, 50 years from 2019 = 1969.  1956+13 = 1969.  The year 15 guns have been mistakenly ID'd as year 1 guns and allowed in  IMO but those are bound to be a pretty small portion of these guns based on what we know about the production numbers that year.   thumb1

I'm confused with Chinese dating. You say 1956 +13= 1969. Other members count 1955+13=1968.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on March 25, 2019, 08:18:13 PM
Posted on gunboards.....  I am also recording the 1.5s in the other thread

(https://forums.gunboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3390533&d=1553555948)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on March 25, 2019, 08:40:21 PM
To easy to go off the rails if you don't know your stuff man...

These guns were likely piggybacked off the previous imports from 7 years ago and imported via the old 1956 + millions serial number, so it is unlikely there will be year 14 numbers in this lot, 50 years from 2019 = 1969.  1956+13 = 1969.  The year 15 guns have been mistakenly ID'd as year 1 guns and allowed in  IMO but those are bound to be a pretty small portion of these guns based on what we know about the production numbers that year.   thumb1

I'm confused with Chinese dating. You say 1956 +13= 1969. Other members count 1955+13=1968.

RM was one of the founders who came up with the current dating system. In the quote above he’s referring to the dating system under which they were imported.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 25, 2019, 10:31:12 PM
I'm confused with Chinese dating. You say 1956 +13= 1969. Other members count 1955+13=1968.

Hi Jaro,

No worries, I forget that the audience here is not always members who have been around through the past 5 years.

New SKS-Files Dating system: 1956 + year code - 1 (essentially 1955 + year code)
Old Kehaya & Poyer / howiebearse system: 1956 + millions code.

You can see where the old system breaks down for the year 15 /26\ guns, as has been seen in some of these imports.  These guns are serial number 1,5XX,XXX. 

Under the New SKS-Files system they are year 15 guns from 1970 (1955 + 15 = 1970), and not quite yet considered C&R under the 50 year old rule (2019-1970=49 years old).
Under the old system they are 1 million series guns of 1957 vintage (1956 + 1 = 1957) and would be considered C&R under the 50 year old rule (2019-1957=62 years old).  Unfortunately, a quick look at the feature set of the carbines tells us this is crazy talk: spike bayonet, short barrel lug, non lightened bolt carrier, non lightened FSB, side sling swivels, large font on the stock.   These features are all indicative of type 56 carbines produced after 1957.  It appears at first blush that the old system is what the importer used to bring these carbines into the country.  ATF appears to have accepted this (indeed they use a '1 million' example in page 2 of their response letter (http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/FAQ/2007-664_2.jpg) I posted in the Q: Are Chinese Type 56 SKSs Classified as C&R? (https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=209.msg2006#msg2006) thread, so it is what it is (even if we are pretty sure we are right and they are not). thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: jaroslav on March 26, 2019, 10:42:15 AM
Thank you, RM for your reply. I didn't  spend much time learning about Chinese dating, because here in Canada we can have any SKS no matter what year. I'm surprised some of the US laws are much more strict than ours.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on March 26, 2019, 03:16:38 PM
Thank you, RM for your reply. I didn't  spend much time learning about Chinese dating, because here in Canada we can have any SKS no matter what year. I'm surprised some of the US laws are much more strict than ours.

It's because there were some knee-jerk, arbitrary laws put on the books to get people re-elected and make people feel good.

Kinda like why Chicago is such a safe place to live because they have Draconianly strict gun laws..... ::)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 26, 2019, 05:52:33 PM
MongooseLaw over at Gunboards has posted up a nice shot of the import stamp:

(http://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/import_stamps/FOXTROT_SKANEATELES_NY.jpg)

I've included it in the first post of this thread as well on the Chinese importer's page. thumb1

Edit: Here's a second photo from the same source with a bit better lighting:

(https://i.ibb.co/kx3PWxZ/1513145-import-stamp2.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 26, 2019, 06:31:59 PM
I actually got something right for once :o  rofl2

That's my one for the year thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on March 26, 2019, 07:38:36 PM
I actually got something right for once :o  rofl2

That's my one for the year thumb1

 thumb1 clap1 :)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Justin Hell on March 26, 2019, 11:24:57 PM
At least it's a neat font.  thumb1

I would be tempted to cold blue that where it is...both for rust prevention, and aesthetics... It should have been on the other side.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 26, 2019, 11:46:37 PM
Laugh Justin!  You know what rots me when looking at that stamp.  The %$#% "NY" doesn't line up right justified directly under the "7.62".  There's an extra character in there.  ireful1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Justin Hell on March 26, 2019, 11:56:43 PM
Laugh Justin!  You know what rots me when looking at that stamp.  The %$#% "NY" doesn't line up right justified directly under the "7.62".  There's an extra character in there.  ireful1

Just use your imagination....there's a secret invisible comma in there. :)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on March 27, 2019, 03:06:35 AM
Just use your imagination....there's a secret...in there. :)

Great anagram letters:
SKANEEATLES NY

E SKS TEA LANE NY
KANE ATE LESS NY
EELS NEAT SKA NY
EAT LES SNAKE NY
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on March 27, 2019, 04:23:58 AM
Just use your imagination....there's a secret...in there. :)

Great anagram letters:
SKANEEATLES NY

E SKS TEA LANE NY
KANE ATE LESS NY
EELS NEAT SKA NY
EAT LES SNAKE NY

Hidden message....I got it!!!!!   Justin was right.....

There is an anagram from all the letters in SKANEEATLES NY..just for Boris...

A Sneaky Nestle  rofl2 a super stealthy imported chocolate bar  rofl2

And one that started with Anal... Well, uhmmm...'ll just stop there. thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 27, 2019, 05:05:23 AM

A 16th year gun reported on the other forum.

Five digit, 16xxx. No photos...yet.

Owner claims it to be all matching.

[edit] false alarm. Five digit 16K carbine from first year. Spike bayo, on a stock cut for a blade.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on March 27, 2019, 12:04:44 PM
Nice trench art on this one by JoDaBo on theAKforum https://www.theakforum.net/forums/60-sks/304013-classic-arms-got-shipment-sks-s-post2871907.html%20#post2871907

(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u416/sofuggingood/IMG_4390%202_zpsqbhtl8tv.jpg)
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u416/sofuggingood/IMG_4391%202_zps6ktr1xjt.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on March 27, 2019, 02:36:37 PM
That one could pass as an Albanian cousin  chuckles1 Im glad I held off on these for the sole purpose of others to be able have one  chuckles1 rofl2 rofl2
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on March 31, 2019, 05:12:30 PM
First post after getting my 3rd SKS, hello all.  I'm curious about dates.  I have a 26 arsenal 56 type that has the "五六式" but is only in the 1 million serial number range.  Shouldn't it be much higher with the Chinese script?  Looking forward to hearing some thoughts, and providing more info. on the gun if needed.  Thanks.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on March 31, 2019, 06:09:58 PM
First post after getting my 3rd SKS, hello all.  I'm curious about dates.  I have a 26 arsenal 56 type that has the "五六式" but is only in the 1 million serial number range.  Shouldn't it be much higher with the Chinese script?  Looking forward to hearing some thoughts, and providing more info. on the gun if needed.  Thanks.

Are the first two digits of the serial 15?

If so, it's a 1970 year of manufacture.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on March 31, 2019, 09:28:10 PM
Yes they are.  Funny enough, me and the gun are the same year of manufacture then & starting to feel like curiosities and relics!  So it's not 15 million for 1970 it's 1 million 500 thousand?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on April 01, 2019, 12:38:51 AM
Yes they are.  Funny enough, me and the gun are the same year of manufacture then & starting to feel like curiosities and relics!  So it's not 15 million for 1970 it's 1 million 500 thousand?

The 15prefix indicates 15th year of production. It was a very low production year -- fewer than 20,000 guns, -- so there are only 5digit places after the 15th year prefix.

The 'millions' place holder is a misnomer, and is  therefore misleading. For ~99% of the type 56's, The first 1 or 2 digits indicate the chronological year of manufacture. While the rest of the world serial indicates the number of guns produced.


Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 01, 2019, 09:01:11 AM
Ok, that clears a lot up from most of what I read & makes more sense-thanks.  It has a side mount for the butt sling instead of on the bottom also.  That threw me a little too cause I read that it had been moved to the bottom of the stock by then.  Nice to know it's a low production year too. 
Another odd thing is there are two what look like almost tap holes on the receiver dust cover.  Two perfect little circles (not really indented into the metal just an outline) inline with the top that have some scratches near them and fading in the blueing in the pattern of a rectangle across the cover.  Any thoughts what that'd be from?  The blueing on the rest of the gun is in the 90%+ which is strange I thought.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on April 01, 2019, 10:08:45 AM
Ok, that clears a lot up from most of what I read & makes more sense-thanks.  It has a side mount for the butt sling instead of on the bottom also.  That threw me a little too cause I read that it had been moved to the bottom of the stock by then.  Nice to know it's a low production year too. 
Another odd thing is there are two what look like almost tap holes on the receiver dust cover.  Two perfect little circles (not really indented into the metal just an outline) inline with the top that have some scratches near them and fading in the blueing in the pattern of a rectangle across the cover.  Any thoughts what that'd be from?  The blueing on the rest of the gun is in the 90%+ which is strange I thought.

Post photos, lots of them. In focus, up close and HD-- if you can.

Others won't be able to tell you very much definitively without the photos.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 01, 2019, 01:48:10 PM
OK - I put 3 pics up, the last one being the receiver cover with the 2 circles barely visible.  Sorry if the photos aren't the best, I'm not a photographer!  The rectangle I mentioned goes over the top of the receiver as well but I don't think it's visible at all in the shot nor is the light scratching.

(https://i.ibb.co/XxGbjxw/DSCF3643.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v4MHV4t)

(https://i.ibb.co/cQcpP0H/DSCF3644.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4pZDczG)

(https://i.ibb.co/r0ThQ50/DSCF3645.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pwGT14w)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on April 01, 2019, 02:02:24 PM
Are the circles actual indentations into the metal?  It could be anything; dinging against a protruding pin on another gun, a soldier intentionally indenting a tool into the cover, maybe even water spots if they are not that deep.

The Chinese didn't mark the tops of their receiver covers, so I'd suspect this is something that occurred long after it left China.

You got quite a nice carbine.  This Classic Arms batch is truly hit or miss, you hit a home run with that original stock.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 01, 2019, 02:33:11 PM
The sun's actually shining here, quite rare.  I took a few more photos of the cover in natural light so the fading in the blueing is visible also.  The circles are barely etched into the metal, nothing incidental though like banging around.  They're there from something.  My thought was some type of scout mount or such attached, but I doubted myself on that.  Would that have been put on one?
I was disappointed about the stock actually, thinking it was beat to hell compared to my other SKS's stocks.  Happy it was matching numbers and original but it's reassuring to know you think it's a homer, I know nothing about the Chinese SKS comparatively.  I picked this one up on impulse.

(https://i.ibb.co/6RFdXLP/DSCF3686.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JRHh3g7)

(https://i.ibb.co/kS63LPm/DSCF3687.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LZhQTsN)

(https://i.ibb.co/4trZjcC/DSCF3688.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YQs7t6J)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on April 01, 2019, 03:02:42 PM
Maybe the circles are from some kind of set screws? Any other similar marks on the left and right side of the reciever?

Do the circles show through on the undderside of the cover?



Also, you got one of the good ones from the Classic lottery. Definitely a winning ticket.

All matching, right?

And....1970 : very hard to come by
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 01, 2019, 03:12:40 PM
That's what I was thinking, set screws from some sort of mount or something else attached.  It'd have to be a poor mount because those are the only marks, the blueing fading stops at the receiver cover also.  They don't show through to the bottom of the cover.
It is all matching numbers, including the receiver cover.  Is it rare for the sling mount to be on the side not the bottom of the stock for a '70 too?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on April 01, 2019, 03:25:03 PM
Soviet Sinos through mid year 3 series had bottom swivels. 
Late year 3 through mid year 10 had side swivels (this includes all letter series guns)
Late year 10 through year 14 guns had bottom swivels again.
Year 15 (and possibly year 16, no data on these) were side swivel again.
Year 24-26 had bottom swivels again.

Why they changed this feature back and forth so often is anyone's guess, but they did it.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on April 01, 2019, 04:45:06 PM
From what I have seen....   year 15 guns can have anything.

Stamped/milled TG
One/two piece gastube

etc etc......

They were literally using up all remaining parts from all previous years.  Mine appears to be an all original non refurbished specimen in original box, and it has a milled TG, and I think a one piece gastube. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on April 01, 2019, 05:08:37 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/3M3YtRq/PHOTO-20190401-160535.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/zFkXq8V/PHOTO-20190401-160428.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/wKGBLWJ/IMG-20190401-155902.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/DWvKVCc/IMG-20190401-155823.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/WfqmnCc/IMG-20190401-155759.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/G0FGfzs/IMG-20190401-155728.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/grcWyNd/IMG-20190401-155658.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/J5hBZy9/IMG-20190401-155621.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/nsP0Rfq/IMG-20190401-155550.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/wsznfy1/IMG-20190401-155531.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/nzYYd2f/IMG-20190401-155513.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on April 01, 2019, 06:36:26 PM
Hot dang.

Did you pay extra for the milled trigger?

Also, did it come with a flux capacitor? (you know, for time travel to 1957)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on April 01, 2019, 06:48:33 PM
 :o hand select paid off for that one.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on April 01, 2019, 06:55:59 PM
From what I have seen....   year 15 guns can have anything.

Stamped/milled TG
One/two piece gastube

etc etc......

They were literally using up all remaining parts from all previous years.  Mine appears to be an all original non refurbished specimen in original box, and it has a milled TG, and I think a one piece gastube.

I've only got a handful of year 15's in the database and they all have side swivel stocks. All these new imports have side swivels.  Have you seen one with an original stock with a bottom swivel on it?  think1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 01, 2019, 08:59:38 PM
Wow, that looks like it wasn't even issued into service, where'd it come from? 
Got mine tuned in today at the range.  I had it out last week but forgot the sight adjuster tool.  Whoever had it set up before me must have been shooting country miles, 18 inches or so high at 100 yards.  I got it down to level at 100 yd. and was ringing the gong at 250 yd. the majority of time.  It was grouping with open sights almost as good as my Yugo that I scoped.  Happy enough.
Thanks all for the info.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on April 01, 2019, 10:14:28 PM
From what I have seen....   year 15 guns can have anything.

Stamped/milled TG
One/two piece gastube

etc etc......

They were literally using up all remaining parts from all previous years.  Mine appears to be an all original non refurbished specimen in original box, and it has a milled TG, and I think a one piece gastube.

I've only got a handful of year 15's in the database and they all have side swivel stocks. All these new imports have side swivels.  Have you seen one with an original stock with a bottom swivel on it?  think1

I haven't payed much attention to the swivels to be honest.   
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on April 01, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
Guys..   I bought this rifle a few years ago on gunbroker for something like $475   thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on April 01, 2019, 10:38:36 PM
It's a China Sports, Pre '94 import.  Beautiful gun, I think you bought it shortly after we realized how few year 15 guns there were... thumb1

I think they are all side swivels on the wood.  Other parts are all over the map, even the gas blocks are varied if I remember correctly.  I suspect the stocks were all fabricated from the same lot as I've never seen a side bottom swivel on one.  The year 16 example we have has a replacement stock unfortunately, so no help there.  :(
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 03, 2019, 11:53:43 AM
I was going over the site a little, where/what thread would you like pics or data on my Albanian posted?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on April 03, 2019, 01:22:27 PM
This thread is for the Classic type 56 imports.  If that's the one you're talking about, you can post additional photos here, or if you want, start a new thread here in the Military Chinese section.  If it's a true Albanian 651, start a thread in the Albanian section.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 03, 2019, 09:23:14 PM
I realize that, it's a true '78 Albanian.  I was asking where you guys were collecting info. for your files, it's not clear where that was at.  Didn't mean to offend you.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: TFLOW on April 03, 2019, 10:47:33 PM
This is my Classic Firearms 56 purchase on March 25th serial number 1124747*. All numbers match. The blueing is about 90% and the stock is solid but in ruff shape. I have a few questions on the gun if anyone has awnsers or can point me in the right direction that would be great. 1st are the serial numbers normally scribed on the underside of the gas tube and on the piston rod? What/where is the cartouche/2\ from? I haven’t seen it on any forums.
(https://i.ibb.co/w43pNWK/A28-E3-A8-D-8146-489-A-B7-D5-EA3291954-AE6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1ThRfq9)

(https://i.ibb.co/txBy2xq/2-D82-B712-62-B2-4184-BA8-D-57-B1-C0199098.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s6jL16K)

(https://i.ibb.co/5j7f68m/408-E6536-6330-484-E-8097-809880-BE2330.jpg) (https://ibb.co/09wdcMT)

(https://i.ibb.co/cXbHbhq/F228-DD8-D-42-FD-4-C40-BB81-C46-B9669-A3-B3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zH8Y8Vd)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on April 03, 2019, 11:59:42 PM
I realize that, it's a true '78 Albanian.  I was asking where you guys were collecting info. for your files, it's not clear where that was at.  Didn't mean to offend you.

No worries, you didn't. I'm sorry if my reply sounded annoyed, trying to keep track of everything in this thread stretches my mental capacity to its limits.

I guarantee that everyone here would love to see a nice alby!  Post her up in the Albanian section. When you get to rifleman level, the serial data boards where we catalogue and sort all this information will be open to you.   thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on April 04, 2019, 12:03:49 AM
This is my Classic Firearms 56 purchase on March 25th serial number 1124747*. All numbers match. The blueing is about 90% and the stock is solid but in ruff shape. I have a few questions on the gun if anyone has awnsers or can point me in the right direction that would be great. 1st are the serial numbers normally scribed on the underside of the gas tube and on the piston rod? What/where is the cartouche/2\ from? I haven’t seen it on any forums.
She's a beauty Tflow. The /2\ on the stock is very likely an acceptance stamp or sone kind of indication of the line it was made on. There are various /#\ stamps you'll find on arsenal /26\ guns
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on April 04, 2019, 03:59:59 AM
Electropenciled (EP) serial number markings on the gas tube and gas piston are normal TFlow. A matching rifle out of this batch is like winning $100 on a scratch-off, nice score!  thumb1

Looks like yours has some Albanian’s initials on there too. More interesting character. Love it!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 09, 2019, 03:08:15 PM
Thanks for the info. about the 56, I'll pass on posting info. about my Albanian.  Not much into the country club thing, got to pay to play.  I'd like to see data about the Albians but if I guess if I'm not in the club I'll take my ball and go home... wink1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on April 09, 2019, 03:47:35 PM
You don't have to "pay to play".

All the data threads are available once  you've passed 100 forum posts or replies.

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on April 09, 2019, 04:34:25 PM
Thanks for the info. about the 56, I'll pass on posting info. about my Albanian.  Not much into the country club thing, got to pay to play.  I'd like to see data about the Albians but if I guess if I'm not in the club I'll take my ball and go home... wink1

It's your choice to do as you wish.  This board has never required any "pay to play" and it never will as long as I'm involved with it.  It does, however, require a member to demonstrate that they want to be an active member who shares knowledge, asks questions, promotes discussion, and is a good standing member of the community (i.e. Rifleman level) before the data archives are opened up to them.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on April 09, 2019, 05:53:44 PM
Thanks for the info. about the 56, I'll pass on posting info. about my Albanian.  Not much into the country club thing, got to pay to play.  I'd like to see data about the Albians but if I guess if I'm not in the club I'll take my ball and go home... wink1

(Thanks for the info, Ill pass on giving you any..... I'd like to see your data though, or I'll leave.)


 rofl
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: wpasks on April 12, 2019, 12:50:41 PM
(Thanks for the info., I'll share mine but can't see what I'm sharing until I meet the requirements)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on April 12, 2019, 01:43:06 PM
(Thanks for the info., I'll share mine my single data point but can't see what I'm sharing all of the accumulated data until I meet the minimal participation requirements)

...I'll take my ball and go home... wink1

You're still here? yawn1 Did you forget your ball ???

If being a moderately active participant in the forum for a short period of time before you see the 1000s of serial number data points on various SKSs painstakingly collected by others on the forum is too high of a bar for you to reach (without getting offended and making snarky remarks) then this is not the right place for you, as you've already decided and announced days ago  fineprint

You display this surprising attitude of entitlement, despite the open availability of volumes of information on The SKS Files, without any requirement for data input or even any participation. Read the history of the Albanian SKS if you want to see the roll up numbers from the serial number data collection. Participate respectfully if you want to see all of the collected numbers and dates. It's that simple.

You've decided to complain openly on the forum rather than simply asking for an explanation of the requirements, or taking your complaint to an admin privately via PM. Therefore, we are responding openly. My apologies to the other forum participants for the minor unpleasantness.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on April 12, 2019, 02:22:49 PM
To piggy back what the rest of the admin have said, we have spent our time, I want you to think in terms of years... not a day or a month.. but years, and quite a few of them..like maybe 10 years, collecting all of this information, data mining, collecting serials, photos and even running this forum. This does not include side information mining on importers and other projects we undertake from time to time. This is time we could have been doing other things with friends or family, shooting, or even just drinking beer and watching tv.............but no..  we do it, better yet... we sacrifice our time for other enthusiasts and collectors, and in reality, it's a pretty thankless job, especially when people think they are entitled to something we have right off the bat. So pardon us if we get a little offended when someone wants to play the I'll show you mine if you show me yours game...what, are we 8 years old here... And just so you know, we don't make a dime off of doing any of this, not a red cent, any donations we get get poured back into hosting fees and software upgrades, (which is not free and our server host deson't take EBT) to make the end user experience better.

So your ball is now in your court.. either welcome, no harm, no foul, hope you enjoy it, or pick your ball up and kick rocks down the road, your ball, your choice. thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: echo83 on May 05, 2019, 10:55:13 PM
Well, I'll play.

Mine came in a month ago, and while I haven't posted any pics just yet, I'd love to tell you a little about it.

Serial # is 59XXX, and ALL numbers match. I paid for a milled receiver and got one, I didn't pay for the hand select. There are no Chinese characters or arsenal markings whatsoever. This makes me think that I got one manufactured in 1956/early 1957?

It was COVERED in Cosmoline. Once I field stripped it, and washed off all the Cosmoline with mineral spirits, I found that bluing is pretty much nonexistent, with minor surface wear. It looks like someone took a Brillo pad to a few spots here and there with no rhyme or reason to it.

Bore is chromed, clean and bright with no pitting. Gas tube is clean as well with no pitting. I'm not thrilled with the condition of the firing pin, but it is clean and rattles freely. I took apart the bolt carrier, soaked everything down, dried it off and gave it a blast of Hoppes.

Stock is chewed up, but intact with no cracks. Lots of trench art and what appears to be the name of a prior owner...Simon? Cleaning rod, but no cleaning kit. 

Spike bayonet, but stock has cut for blade bayonet. Pretty sure the stock is not the original. Lighter colored wood, no serial numbers. Head scratcher here: did I get a replacement stock, or a replacement bayonet?

Sling swivel is on the underside of the stock and is solid.

I've purchased surplus stripper clips, 100 rounds of Wolf, and a sling. Brought it by my local gun store for a once over, they said it looks solid, and that "If this rifle could talk, it would tell stories. You wouldn't understand them though, because you don't speak Chinese."

Looking forward to taking it out to the range. Planning on loading one round and firing, then loading two rounds and firing to ensure there's no risk of slamfire or cycling issues before I load a full stripper clip.

Pics to follow...how did I do?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 05, 2019, 11:15:45 PM
Welcome to the boards!

Sounds like you got what is commonly called a 'ghost' gun.  1956 vintage, one of the first produced at Jianshe.  Stock should have a S/N, so the fact that it doesn't leads me to believe that it is a replacement.  Bayo should be a blade, so the fact that you have a spike on yours leads me to believe it's also a replacement.  All this is just an educated guess by me w/o pics though, but it would make sense that it's a ghost in this late import batch if the spike bayonet was on it.  The guys sorting the early imports likely passed over anything that had a spike on it.  Sounds like it will be a solid shooter, good plan on the building up to a full stripper clip, I do that on mine as well.   thumb1

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 07, 2019, 02:22:24 PM
They're back!  The price is now down $20 to $400. Bonus feature: another video featuring Ben moonwalking across a crate of Type 56s to MJ's Thriller JK

https://www.classicfirearms.com/chinese-sks-rifle-762x39/
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on May 07, 2019, 11:03:26 PM
"Better quality"

Yeah...  thats why you took $20 off.   nea1

The ones he tries to show off having a 'nice stock' are light color Albanian replacements with super dark original handguards.    sick1 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 08, 2019, 12:04:41 AM
Nice P32!  thumb1

I've updated the original post with a direct link to the video and some quotes from the website. 

While watching the video, I heard a few, let's say interesting, assertions from Ben:

"Earlier in this year, 2019, we made an agreement to purchase an entire exclusive lot of Chinese SKSs that had been stored in a neutral country for over 20 years, therefore timing out of the Chinese exclusions on importation."

"These are Chinese, Vietnam-era, turn-in guns, just like they came back to the arsenals after they were turned in."

"The early bird always gets the worm on that particular one (hand select), because we have more to sort through of course."

"Chinese SKSs are a rarity!"

"As I said before, for these rifles to even qualify to be imported, they must have been stored in a neutral county for 20 years and they must also have a serial number date range that goes back at least 50 years therefore meeting C&R eligibility requirements."

I also have to say, that it absolutely ROTS me how he handles these things.  I cringe with ever drop, flip, & toss.  It's like it just cordwood meant to be tossed about instead of a 50 year old piece of history... hunter)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: firstchoice on May 08, 2019, 12:04:59 AM
That man should not be allowed within 100ft. of any "collectable" firearm. I can't watch much of that SKS abuse.  bat1

firstchoice
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on May 08, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
I particularly liked it when he jams the butt into another rifles stock to pull the bolt back.   
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: echo83 on May 08, 2019, 09:37:59 PM
Unreal. I bought from the first batch, so I get a rebate, right?

I thought he was rough on the rifles in the first unboxing until I saw the most recent video.

When the "third" batch arrives, I'll bet they use a wrecking ball to open the crates. SKS pinata.

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on May 09, 2019, 11:25:51 AM
So..... Aim Surplus, Century Arms, SOG/Samco(when they were around), TGI, J&G and every other importer/vendor used museum quality handling and little dainty white cotton gloves to uncrate and repack these little precious nuggets all these years.. 

 nea1 I bet not. It ain't the fricken Smithsonian.

It's uncrate it and rebox it....get it in and get it out... as fast as possible, that bank note is coming due at the end of the month, time is money and space is limited, and who is going to notice an extra nick or dent or two on an already well loved nicked and dented rifle when you never saw it before hand.

Seriously....think about it... think1 Hand picks have nothing to do with how they came out the shipping crate.... They are simply the ones that didn't get dropped, fall off the pile, get run over by the forklift, get dropped of the dock, kicked across the floor, used to pry the next crate open, get thrown cause someone got pissed off or dropped down the stairs. Thats why there are usually so few compared to the non-handpicks  rofl  rofl2
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: firstchoice on May 10, 2019, 05:18:04 AM
So..... Aim Surplus, Century Arms, SOG/Samco(when they were around), TGI, J&G and every other importer/vendor used museum quality handling and little dainty white cotton gloves to uncrate and repack these little precious nuggets all these years.. 

 nea1 I bet not. It ain't the fricken Smithsonian.

It's uncrate it and rebox it....get it in and get it out... as fast as possible, that bank note is coming due at the end of the month, time is money and space is limited, and who is going to notice an extra nick or dent or two on an already well loved nicked and dented rifle when you never saw it before hand.

Seriously....think about it... think1 Hand picks have nothing to do with how they came out the shipping crate.... They are simply the ones that didn't get dropped, fall off the pile, get run over by the forklift, get dropped of the dock, kicked across the floor, used to pry the next crate open, get thrown cause someone got pissed off or dropped down the stairs. Thats why there are usually so few compared to the non-handpicks  rofl  rofl2

  Oh, I have no misconceptions about the importers' unpacking methods across the board. I'm just surprised that they, (Classic, or any of the others), would actually be so brazen about the mishandling as to post videos of it clearly online while trying to sell them to us, all the while telling us how "nice" they are, and how we can get "hand picks" for the cream of the crop. As a collector and lover of all things Simonov, it makes me cringe and sincerely wish I could pick through them BEFORE he ever got near them. But yeah, I realize it happens to all of them. The Chinese were brought in via atrocious handling, packing, bundling, dragging?, or whatever, shipping methods. At least we didn't have to watch the Chinese do it in a video. (And, NO GM! I'm talking about the Chinese packing or unpacking the Type 56's!  chuckles1 )

firstchoice
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on May 10, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
This is why you don't see gorillas performing brain surgery, working on Bugatti Veyron's or building nuclear weapons.. they can barely handle unpacking a crate or handle an SKS. Century has used them in the past to build rifles, thats how you had canted sights and such. They just all got transferred from the assembly dept to packing and shipping dept.  chuckles1   Classic just turned their gorilla in to an internet video star  rofl2


At least we didn't have to watch the Chinese do it in a video. (And, NO GM! I'm talking about the Chinese packing or unpacking the Type 56's!  chuckles1 )

firstchoice[/size]

Ohhhh....I'm sure I could post a video of a Chinese getting something packed :o and it sure ain't no crate or Type 56.  rofl2  chuckles1 rofl2
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on May 10, 2019, 04:25:32 PM
Those guys must be doing something right over there. Ever since they turned the gorilla loose every other gun sites started  doing the same thing. Not a real big fan but they sure the he** are doing something right over by that airport in N. C.😁
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 11, 2019, 05:36:48 AM
no serial numbers.

The serial numbers on the ghost guns are small and close together. Sometimes they're hard to see. The stock looks original to me. The stock and handguard have the same color tone. The serial number should be on the left side about two inches up from the rear swivel. Somewhere in that area.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Matchka on May 20, 2019, 02:48:41 PM
Whew! Made it to 'here' on this thread! Illuminating, informative and interesting. Did a number of cut & pastes to add to my qwik reference "knowledge" binder. Thanks!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: SargeAF on May 26, 2019, 04:04:37 PM
Here is the rifle I received a week ago from Classic.

It's an 11.2 million serial number, so 1966 according to this forum?

It's definitely been used, but I actually like the shape it's in; it has some character.  The stock, receiver, trigger group (milled), bolt, carrier and magazine are numbers matching.  The gas tube and piston are both electro penciled with "9890", and the dust cover does not match.  Overall, the stock is in pretty good shape (a few "Ben" marks...lol) and there is some deterioration right underneath the charging handle.  The receiver fits nice and tight in the stock.  I forgot how much creep there is in the trigger, but it feels pretty light (I'd guess 5 lbs) and breaks crisp.  The bore is nice and shiny...I think it will be a good shooter.  I plan on shooting it this weekend, so will report back.

Sarge
(https://i.ibb.co/BgwtYtB/P1030534.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K9mX8XW)

(https://i.ibb.co/gR398Sy/P1030535.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CHz8ybB)

(https://i.ibb.co/s1C87Gb/P1030536.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X5DcHgj)

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(https://i.ibb.co/9yHxg2X/P1030539.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WBvr5F9)

(https://i.ibb.co/NWfCV6k/P1030541.jpg) (https://ibb.co/frZF1YK)

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(https://i.ibb.co/GcbS8tP/P1030521.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5BfHSnc)

(https://i.ibb.co/sHShL4M/P1030522.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YZ96vSq)

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(https://i.ibb.co/1JVJqpn/P1030525.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LhwhtqP)

(https://i.ibb.co/NYZ7dLt/P1030526.jpg) (https://ibb.co/886XLjN)

(https://i.ibb.co/2FWfnkX/P1030527.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S659s3q)

(https://i.ibb.co/vj7Hz4Q/P1030528.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jrcT4kW)

(https://i.ibb.co/B2QSwbH/P1030529.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QvT1XL7)

(https://i.ibb.co/6XZkcHK/P1030533.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J3d9WvY)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on May 26, 2019, 04:30:12 PM
Nice going Sarge. Looks like you did a great clean up job to your new best friend : ) Looking good and please do report back with range results ..  For a moment I thought you liked street motorcycle racing but then I saw your SkS ha ha ha ha ha ha  rofl clap1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 26, 2019, 04:45:51 PM
Yup, nice one. The original stock is a bonus.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on May 26, 2019, 06:41:35 PM
One of the best ones I seen of this batch.   thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 26, 2019, 07:15:16 PM
looks like a nice one, you did good Sarge. thanks for sharing.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on May 26, 2019, 07:23:27 PM
This one showed up on GB.......    Whats it look like?


(https://i.ibb.co/nkH2Z7C/2482332-E-EC59-460-B-95-D5-5-BF4-F8-B10841.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tC7fkqX)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 26, 2019, 08:25:37 PM
I saw that thread. Not the typical C with the two ends having tails. Could it be a G??  A block O with a missing portion on the right?  Really hard to say...
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on May 26, 2019, 10:21:03 PM
Oh, thats a block font G.  The dreaded "backwards J"
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 26, 2019, 11:04:26 PM
Looks weird without the bar on top.  I can certainly see it though.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: firstchoice on May 29, 2019, 05:43:13 AM
Really nice acquisition, SargeAF! That's one of the nicer one's I've seen from this batch. Buffing up the Bolt Carrier does something for the old beast. Looking forward to your range report! Thanks for sharing!

The Gas Tube and Gas Piston electro-pencilled numbers just isn't a deal breaker for me. Just shows it had some needed repairs at one time. Over all, you got a good one!  thumb1 thumb1 

firstchoice
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: SargeAF on May 31, 2019, 02:49:25 PM
Range report:

It’s a great shooter!

Before I started sighting it in, I double checked the firing pin was free.  Fired ten shots just to test function and ensure no runaways.  Everything was good to go.  First three round group was about 3 inches high and 2 inches left.  Set rear sight at 200M, shooting at 25M.  I got it centered up, and best group was 3/4 inch (two shots touching) all center hold.  This was with Wolf 156 grain soft point however; I plan on checking zero again with the lighter loads.

We moved the target stand out to 100M and hung a hardened plate.  I figured it would hit a little higher, so I held a six o’clock hold and hit ten for ten; same for the next 20.  The plate is 12 inches round.  We didn’t have time to move out farther...maybe another time.

We also shot a pre-ban Norinco AK, 302K serial number with a scope.  I was as accurate with my SKS, I think primarily because I could get an actual cheeck weld.  I think the trigger on my SKS is pretty decent...ran 100% also...I’m a happy camper!

I think I did a pretty good job cleaning out all the cosmoline, but it did smoke pretty good for about the first 20 rounds, so I think what remained has been heated out.  Sorry about no pics; I dropped and cracked my phone and the camera is no longer working.

SargeAF
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 31, 2019, 07:00:01 PM
Awesome Sarge!  Glad you got a good one!  thumb1

Hate that about your phone though.  I dropped mine in a flooring store about 18" onto a display of flooring (I was taking photos so we could compare different styles of laminate flooring and it slipped out of my hands) and even with my case, it landed perfectly flat on the front face and shattered my screen.  I bet I could have dropped it intentionally 100 other times from that height onto that display and it would not have had a scratch, but that one time, ???

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Justin Hell on June 12, 2019, 09:21:54 AM
For 48 hours....they are $50 off...

https://www.classicfirearms.com/chinese-sks-rifle-762x39/?trk_msg=HUCTPLUJE884L7EMKKAKED817G&trk_contact=RAJ39OV6C9ORBA6JPVEEJIB7QS&trk_sid=SGAOI7APLLB988H91DAE88F3LG&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.classicfirearms.com%2fchinese-sks-rifle-762x39%2f&utm_campaign=20190612ChineseSKSFlashSale&utm_content=Primary

If the price is holding anyone back, I suspect this may be as good a deal as Classic is going to offer. At least it is in the realm of the going rate for an average Chinese.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on June 12, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
For 48 hours....they are $50 off...

https://www.classicfirearms.com/chinese-sks-rifle-762x39/?trk_msg=HUCTPLUJE884L7EMKKAKED817G&trk_contact=RAJ39OV6C9ORBA6JPVEEJIB7QS&trk_sid=SGAOI7APLLB988H91DAE88F3LG&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.classicfirearms.com%2fchinese-sks-rifle-762x39%2f&utm_campaign=20190612ChineseSKSFlashSale&utm_content=Primary

If the price is holding anyone back, I suspect this may be as good a deal as Classic is going to offer. At least it is in the realm of the going rate for an average Chinese.

I went through the whole shipping and tax calculation and they were still $399-$410 per depending on how many ordered for my state of WA with its 8.6% sales tax.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on June 12, 2019, 03:28:21 PM
i wonder if these would be the bottom of the barrel condition wise. i would be a little afraid they were returned because of condition.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Justin Hell on June 12, 2019, 05:50:35 PM
The latest reviews on the site seem promisingish...
I am not in a place to bite this year...too many other handles of irons in the fire. At least we don't have sales tax here...and a recent shopping cart showed they don't charge us for it here. It would be a kinda good deal for what I would like to get...but I doubt they will let me get as specific as I want for even the $50 off....and it still be worth it vs. other crap that just has to happen.

I didn't even buy ammo this year.  cry1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Mike M on June 13, 2019, 06:30:56 PM
First I would like to say thank you for all the great information on this form. I am a first time SKS buyer. I picked up one of these from the first batch they had in back in March. I thought I would post a few pictures and maybe someone can confirm the date. The rifle was in good shape, the barrel was like new and the stock was a little beat up. It shoots just fine and its accuracy is limited by the user more then the rifle. All the numbers seem to match. I feel I received value for the price, even though the second batch was $20 less...lol. If they get another batch will it be even less?
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Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on June 13, 2019, 07:56:55 PM
Welcome to the Files!

That looks like a very good Type 56!  First two digits are 15, so 15th year of production of the Type (19)56 = 1970

That was a very scarce year until the latest imports of these Chinese that were provided to Albania (and trans-shipped through Austria). These imports haven't changed the fact that 1970 was a low production year of the Type 56 at Jianshe. Nice score!  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Justin Hell on June 14, 2019, 12:29:45 AM
Wow...I post and it appears.

If I had my choice, this would be exactly what I would have hoped for.
I would love to see more pics, unless you left out a nasty shot of a recent (unboxing video) gouge in the stock...that is likely the nicest I have seen yet from this batch.

Welcome to the files, and congratulations. Welcome to your new addiction...you are off to a great start.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on June 14, 2019, 09:05:46 AM
hi Mike and welcome. good to have you here. looks like you got a nice one.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: echo83 on June 14, 2019, 08:06:22 PM
Welcome to the Files! I bought from the same batch as you. Great looking rifle! I think you definitely lucked out. Was yours avalanched in Cosmoline, too?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on June 18, 2019, 06:54:06 PM
Welcome, Mike.
Nice rifle!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: santaroga on July 05, 2019, 04:51:31 PM
I grabbed on on the $349 flash sale. should have grabbed more, honestly. well used but well kept 11 million, no trench art (sadly)

album: https://imgur.com/a/owckLTm


(https://i.ibb.co/ts2r3d0/IMG-0497.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C79GWrj)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on July 05, 2019, 06:55:11 PM
looking good santaroga, have fun with it.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on July 05, 2019, 08:17:13 PM
Just got an email from AIM that they have some in stock. https://aimsurplus.com/chinese-type-56-sks-7-62x39-rifles-grade-1-matching


Grade 2, non-matching: $379.95
Grade 2, matching: $409.95
Grade 1, non-matching: $409.95
Grade 1, matching: $439.95

None of the ridiculous hand select (but only selected from the crappy batch of five in front of the warehouse guy) fees or the 'milled trigger group is $20 extra' select fees.  I'd think either of the matching grades would be a pretty good buy, but honestly, 30 extra bucks is worth it for a nice collectible in the grade 1's while they last.  thumb1

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: santaroga on July 05, 2019, 09:36:20 PM
since I ended up with a nice milled 11 million, all matching, with the $349 sale.... are these likely to be better? I know it's a crap shoot, but that's a decent premium there.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: echo83 on July 06, 2019, 03:38:38 PM
santaroga, that's a nice looking rifle! I'm glad to see that people are getting some solid examples. Have you gotten it out to the range yet?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on July 06, 2019, 04:34:22 PM
I don't think you can improve on what you've got santaroga. Only reason to get another is to have one with a different year / different features or to get a mixmaster you want to customize (though there are much cheaper ways to accomplish the latter).    thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: santaroga on July 07, 2019, 01:25:53 PM
santaroga, that's a nice looking rifle! I'm glad to see that people are getting some solid examples. Have you gotten it out to the range yet?

not till the week starts. too many people out in the wilderness for the holiday, and the range is totally occupied with match stuff for the holiday. I'll probably get out to the BLM tomorrow, but I have a few things to shoot. I usually get out a few times a week but with the holiday and some other stuff i'm stacked up like 3 weeks behind
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Mike M on July 09, 2019, 08:58:30 PM
That is a good looking rifle and I see they are on sale all week at $349. It does make you want to buy another.. :)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: echo83 on July 29, 2019, 05:11:48 PM
Just got an e-mail from Classic Firearms. They've dropped the price to $299 until 05 AUG 2019...

...at which point they will probably drop the price another $100. I guess bringing all those wheelbarrows of cash to bank must be tiring.

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on July 29, 2019, 05:26:31 PM
Just got an e-mail from Classic Firearms. They've dropped the price to $299 until 05 AUG 2019...

...at which point they will probably drop the price another $100. I guess bringing all those wheelbarrows of cash to bank must be tiring.

Ben claims in the video that he's selling below cost, so I wouldn't expect another drop unless there are gunsmith specials to dispose of.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: santaroga on August 14, 2019, 10:27:40 PM
I got suckered in by the $299 deal and ordered another.

but in other news, my albanian showed up today and was an excellent deal (as opposed to my ghost which showed up last week and is in a spiker stock, ARGH)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 16, 2019, 04:30:58 PM
I heard on Gunboards that Classic had listed some cracked stock specials @ $249.99...checked and heck if if wasn't true.  I was able to resist the allure of $300 SKSs, but I can't at $250, especially for a ratty gun with a cracked stock.  That's like kryptonite right there; RM loves him some ratty guns.  Leave the pristine lookers to the snobby collectors!   rofl

With tax, ridiculous shipping, + their $3 shipping insurance added I'm looking at right at $300 right to my door.  I've seen poor examples sell right at that much on GB lately, so the downside is limited unless it's missing a major component or the bore is a sewer pipe.   

I'm hoping the cracked stock will not require too much TLC to get it back into shooting shape.  One of my previous SinoBanians had a really nasty crack just to the side of the receiver in a real thin spot on the stock.  I was able to fix it with dental floss and a good quality wood glue to the point that I can't even find it unless I look *really* hard under good lighting. 

Anywhoo, Lets hope its an all matching year 6, 15 (or better yet 16) gun eh?  That would be nice icing on the cake.  I opted not to pay for the hand select for matching numbers, because they have a disclaimer that there are no refunds (expected on a cracked stock special), and they are not hand selecting for numbers on this lot anyhow, only the best 10 for cosmetics.  No idea what they'd do if someone selected hand select for cosmetics (+$20) and hand select for numbers (+ another $20) though... think1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: bbush44 on August 16, 2019, 05:47:35 PM
Can't wait to see what you get RM! I put one in my cart, and came to just under $300 shipped to my door with, tax, shipping, etc. I just couldn't pull the trigger this time, I'll have to live through your cracked stock special for now.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 16, 2019, 10:21:14 PM
RM bought a gun!?   :o
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 16, 2019, 10:50:03 PM
Thanks Brian. I usually live vicariously through others so it'll be interesting to see how this one pans out in reverse.  I'm starting to worry I'll get a mixmaster with firewood for a stock. Would be my luck! 

LC is right, I haven't bought a gun in *many* years; just haven't had the desire, or the funds, or been tempted by the terrible offerings I've seen out there.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 16, 2019, 11:35:36 PM
 rofl

I haven't bought one in years. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 16, 2019, 11:39:59 PM
rofl

I haven't bought one in years.

Me neither
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 17, 2019, 10:55:52 AM
Laugh!  You guys are something else!  rofl2
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 18, 2019, 04:24:21 PM
Atlantic just got their shipment in. $419 Plus tax, shipping and transfer for all matching guns:
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/chinese-type-56-sks-7-62x39mm-rifle

And $379 for non matching:
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/chinese-type-56-sks-rifle-non-matching-c-r-ffl-eligible

https://youtu.be/gIMJHHK8YjI

Looks like $340-380 is about the floor for these from this importer for the resaler to make a small profit.  I suspect FT lima is selling these wholesale at just over $300 a rifle.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: santaroga on August 22, 2019, 10:02:43 PM
I admit I got suckered in by the last (pre cracked stock) classic price drop. hasn't got to me yet, but hard to pass up. I may go for a few more if I can budget it this year, just knowing that when this dries up it will dry up pretty hard.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on August 22, 2019, 11:40:37 PM
Mopar Madness directly disconnected and bought the 299.00 AIM Chinese stepchild. Ill post up pics and numbers in about 3 months when i pick it up chuckles1... PS ..They still gad some as of an hr ago. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on August 22, 2019, 11:55:10 PM
Where is R M's gun posted  ?  thankyou1 :ohi thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 22, 2019, 11:57:35 PM
Don't think he received his yet, or the wifey has it in jail until he finishes his chores.   :P
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 23, 2019, 01:24:21 PM
Laugh!

She was surprisingly nonchalant about this one when I told her.  Probably has something to do with the "back to school" shopping she did for herself.  Last I checked she didn't go to school!  rofl

Tracking number says it will be delivered this afternoon.  Will certainly post it up in all it's glory (or cringeworthy horridness) when I get home from work.  thumb1

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on August 23, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
Holy crap... quick... everyone buy a lottery ticket..  :o RM bought a gun..   thumb1


Quote
surprisingly nonchalant

you will pay.. you just wont see it coming.  rofl2
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 23, 2019, 01:46:12 PM
I know right?

you will pay.. you just wont see it coming.  rofl2

Oh I see ever single one of them coming, I just can't do anything about it 99.9% of the time!   lalala cry2
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on August 23, 2019, 02:35:51 PM
A rare find . A man who lives within his means. :o Good going RM . We wont tell your wife about your purchase. Well just ask her if she heard about it rofl
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 23, 2019, 11:55:45 PM
Well my day was anticlimactic as all hell.  Arrived to find a sticky on the door of the house saying the FedEx guy came by around noon.  Nobody heard the doorbell or a knock and the sticky had all of one word (my first name, abbreviated) written on it in addition to the std. FedEx writing with zero checkboxes filled out so I don't even know if he's going to try tomorrow, take it back to the main office, or try again on the next business day which is Monday.  I'll probably call the 1-800 number and see if I can track it down, but I'd have to drive into town...and who wants to do that on a weekend when I just spent all week there!??! ireful1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 25, 2019, 03:22:49 PM
I have the feeling RM will get a 10m.... Im feeling lucky. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 25, 2019, 05:33:35 PM
I have the feeling RM will get a 10m.... Im feeling lucky.

I think he’ll get a 1.6 million  :o  8)  dance2  doh1 ...and then debate whether or not to turn himself in to the local ATF agent  think1 explaining that the Century dating scheme is so obviously wrong  fineprint ...and that he shouldn’t have received it on his C&R  cry2  rofl
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on August 25, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
If were lucky he"ll get his gem shortly so we get database started  on dated serial numbers on the tools that were used to stamp the serial numbers on his newly accuired fine Chinese SkS's..  chuckles1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 25, 2019, 08:52:48 PM
ROFLMFAO
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 26, 2019, 11:17:21 AM
Been really swamped lately, redoing mother-in-laws floor and painting, not time to do much but take her out of the box and snap some poorly lit photos in the garage.

I had shown these to LC earlier 10.1 mil /26\  :P
(https://i.ibb.co/8xfwsT9/IMG-7913.jpg)

Not exactly what I was looking for, I would much rather have had the original stock and not a beaver chewed alby replacement, but it'll work I guess.  The bluing is really worn on the edges, more so than any of the other Sino-Banians I've gotten to date except for the "Silver Streaker" that came in devoid of bluing.  It has some interesting trench art, including a '89 date on it.

I need to decide whether/how to fix this stock.  It's a nasty crack all the way through in two places.  They nailed (poorly) the wrist back together, its the only thing keeping it in one piece:

(https://i.ibb.co/JmN3Ngx/IMG-7911.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/0CZq0zn/IMG-7912.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/jhmRvwZ/IMG-7914.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Y8DzCKG/IMG-7915.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/q77Nw9q/IMG-7916.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/HCWnxWV/IMG-7917.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 26, 2019, 11:21:17 AM
Also of note is that the stock is a blade bayo stock that was hogged out to fit the spike. 

I'm thinking this one's a candidate for a complete restocking.  We'll see what the two halves look like after I get the nails pulled.  I'm worried there are going to be gouges of wood missing once I clean it up and it'll look like hell (well worse than your typical Sino-Banian trashy gun that is)  But at $250, I really can't complain.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 26, 2019, 11:33:17 AM
Those are some serious cracks. Some doweling may be in order. The trench art is cool, so I'd be inclined to try and save it.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 26, 2019, 04:47:01 PM
New stock, flip, pull the lever again.   ;)

I bet you can get enough out if it to buy a great one at full price.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: newchi on August 26, 2019, 09:28:03 PM
Id send that back and get another, thats not acceptable by any standard
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 27, 2019, 10:20:33 AM
Id send that back and get another, thats not acceptable by any standard

Unfortunately, on the cracked stock guns they include a "no returns" clause.  Metal is all matching and I see no rust *anywhere*.  Aside from a very stubborn gas piston not wanting to come out of the gas tube (I haven't really tried to get it out yet, I'm not kidding when I say I've been swamped lately!) it looks to be in very serviceable shape. 

Some got much better examples:

(https://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.uploads/24-08-2019/original-fd390250a7389ee07fbead93bcd19dfa.jpg)
(https://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.uploads/24-08-2019/original-e31a31859442842e13cf95a3a93fc206.jpg)
(https://imgdump4.novarata.net/image.uploads/24-08-2019/original-a88feaccb1ad2e3e515b1933fd30e3df.jpg)

And others I would consider on par or perhaps a bit worse:
(https://i.imgur.com/KdY8ZVj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/loOAV8u.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Q9OWKv0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aGLlbLK.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on August 27, 2019, 10:56:28 PM
RM thats what we are expecting right ? I mean if all the metal part numbers match then I think you got an added bonus. Understanding the stock don't match, They could have sent a pile of mixmatched parts on a cracked stock  nea1. Did you say its Albanian Stock ? Im knocking on wood chuckles1  i would be very satisfied with that piece in that condition if the numbers match. Even if they dont it makes decisions allot easier on what to do. IE place it in the front of the safe as a shooter or the back and a historical conversation piece. Happy for you Bro.Man I can smell that thing from here !  rofl2  Mine reaches my FFL thursday probably see it next Saturday. Excited to be able to utilize this scorching California heat to melt that thing clean in a plastic bag  thumb1   Nice going ! Like all the trench features on that bad boy !
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on August 28, 2019, 09:15:05 AM
I think you find another stock and you will have a nice one.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on August 28, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
RM thats what we are expecting right ? I mean if all the metal part numbers match then I think you got an added bonus. Understanding the stock don't match, They could have sent a pile of mixmatched parts on a cracked stock  nea1. Did you say its Albanian Stock ? Im knocking on wood chuckles1  i would be very satisfied with that piece in that condition if the numbers match. Even if they dont it makes decisions allot easier on what to do. IE place it in the front of the safe as a shooter or the back and a historical conversation piece. Happy for you Bro.Man I can smell that thing from here !  rofl2  Mine reaches my FFL thursday probably see it next Saturday. Excited to be able to utilize this scorching California heat to melt that thing clean in a plastic bag  thumb1   Nice going ! Like all the trench features on that bad boy !

Hey KK, thanks!  It is what I was expecting, I'm certainly not dissatisfied with it, just not the home run I dreamt of! :) All metal matching is definitely a plus though not as good as an all matching example would have been. The stock is not useable as-is, but I think I can get it pinned and back together given some time and TLC.  If worst comes to worst, I have a few replacement stocks lying around that I can certainly try out. If that still doesn't float my boat, I can always flip it and try for something else. In that case, I'm really not going to be out too all that much (maybe shipping) as bubba'd guns on gunbroker routinely fetch $350 these days.

Good luck on yours!  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: santaroga on September 03, 2019, 09:41:29 AM
I haven't cleaned the cosmo off, but I grabbed another pair on the lowest regular sale price (not cracked stock) - my first one (early sale price) came in all matching and pretty nice, so i rolled again at $50 less and came up with some non matching.

 Good condition, but one has a non matching receiver cover and the other has a bolt carrier, receiver cover that match each other and are different from the rest of the rifle, except the bolt, which is a third serial number. I'll verify headspace when I get around to cleanaing it up. Might be a project gun, might end up being a more or less accurate one, who knows. I may sell it off and improve my collection.

the one with the non matching dustcover ends up being a family beater/shooter, I expect.

it's always important to remember that prices go up, not down.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on September 03, 2019, 10:34:45 AM
Hopfully my cracked stock 299 special will all match . Just like RM. that's what I'm rolling the dice on.. The way  I look at it is that if one part doesnt match it's the same if all  parts dont match. Just another shooter with decreased value.. regardless,  everything is going to be okay😛👍
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Alphabrew on September 10, 2019, 11:09:32 AM
Cracked stock from Classic.  Serial 101522452.  The receiver cover does not match but everything else is matching.
(https://i.ibb.co/pdL82rQ/57094-D3-A-F545-4559-93-C7-23-B118983-F2-E.png) (https://ibb.co/fHx5MG9)

(https://i.ibb.co/sbtrvRm/1-B8-CC0-CF-A6-D5-43-C9-9-BC6-85-DA40547421.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fqQ7YF1)

(https://i.ibb.co/r546Gq3/B1247-A8-D-4-A27-4575-BDD2-D15788-E4015-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7r2WJBQ)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on September 10, 2019, 06:48:48 PM
hi and welcome Alpha. good to have you here. looks good to me, i'd be happy with that one. i think you did good.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Matchka on September 11, 2019, 03:42:51 PM
Now $410 for whatever is left at Atlantic.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on September 11, 2019, 05:57:11 PM
Yeah that's a nice one !
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on September 14, 2019, 04:05:06 PM
I like 'em when they have some hard use on 'em.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on September 17, 2019, 10:59:41 PM
Got my 299.00 special from AIM. Nothing special. All metal matches and stock has no number. It will be used as a service gun that will protect the collectables at the rear of the safe. Don't see any cracks in the stock. Pretty cool trench art. Piece of history. Cant wait to clean it. Kidding..  :))chuckles1
(https://i.ibb.co/c3XL8qp/20190916-155535.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H4pdPZM)

(https://i.ibb.co/vByrRcY/20190916-155529.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z59LDmJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/P1W8c57/20190916-155521.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vLd83J7)

(https://i.ibb.co/HdLVPrt/20190916-155231.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3z57F0p)

(https://i.ibb.co/TY9LwtC/20190916-155043.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vV0Yckt)

(https://i.ibb.co/S3GNrqY/20190916-155025.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tJFBXyj)

(https://i.ibb.co/PMkG7Gn/20190916-154954.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XDHxhxg)

(https://i.ibb.co/KNP8z0g/20190916-154942.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VH1kpjG)

(https://i.ibb.co/p4c4CZT/20190916-154916.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GCyCgkD)

(https://i.ibb.co/0ZBShv1/20190916-154720.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GksLcNG)

(https://i.ibb.co/cXyJv6n/20190916-154657.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJfBcPY)

(https://i.ibb.co/p316H4g/20190916-154634.jpg) (https://ibb.co/khGVLqp)

(https://i.ibb.co/xLyHCD5/20190916-154623.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LRM5k8p)

(https://i.ibb.co/6DNPw3z/20190916-154342.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1RbqQD1)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on September 18, 2019, 11:47:07 AM
Bluing doesn't look horrible DC!  Maybe a bit of wear on the gas tube, receiver rails, and bottom of the magazine, but not like it's a rusty heap!  If she shoots straight, I'd say you've done pretty well!

That bottom sling swivel on the stock though...I'd swap that out for the right side swivel first thing.  I'll look through my stash tonight and see if I have one for you.  If I remember correctly, I only have bottom swivels but it never hurts to check!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on September 18, 2019, 11:16:24 PM
Thanks RM but Ive got a swivel for it already. Just havent had time to clean and touch it up a llittle   .. I appreciate your offering :P  You can add the serial number to your data if you like. Yeah there pretty cool guns . Especially the NIKON RUBIK stock. thumb1 rofl

Does anyone know what country this writing is from on the stock ?  Balkins ? Bloc.. Its not Russian or Chinese I know that : ) 

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on September 19, 2019, 07:19:20 PM
Does anyone know what country this writing is from on the stock ?  Balkins ? Bloc.. Its not Russian or Chinese I know that : ) 
Presumably it’s Albanian.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: 2CavTrooper on September 28, 2019, 12:11:30 AM
A little late to the party. Bought this back in July but life got in the way of me taking the time I needed to get into this rifle. I've been collecting WWII milsurp for a while and decided to extend into other milsurp when I saw this advertised (my first WWII milsurp, a Mosin, was also from CF). I took my time completely disassembling it and cleaning every nook and cranny. My only minor complaint was that the stock was grungy as hell. After a lot of work trying to get it into halfway decent shape, determined I needed to strip it as best I  could and refinish it.

All matching and is in great mechanical shape. As with any new rifle variant I pick up, I started doing more in-depth research and ended up here finding some great info. Although, not sure where I go to add my rifle's data to your database. WHen I go to the link from http://chinesesks.weebly.com/ "Chinese SKS Survey" it tells me "Form over quota!". Anyway, based on your data, this would be a series 11 (1966) rifle. Any other info would be appreciated. Thanks.

(https://i.ibb.co/w00CKQY/20190927-220000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5MMv5j2)(https://i.ibb.co/HPMQH8D/20190927-220306.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B67RCMV)

(https://i.ibb.co/MMCf4QF/20190927-220129.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vZjhGR0)(https://i.ibb.co/3m2rBgj/20190927-220041.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4RzmPhX)

(https://i.ibb.co/7NmshXM/20190927-220247.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Qjwy0fS)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: echo83 on September 28, 2019, 08:04:11 AM
Welcome, 2CavTrooper! Pretty solid looking example, you did a nice job cleaning it up. My stock was beaten up pretty badly, too. I'm glad that mechanically, you're in good shape.

Have you gotten a chance to get it out to the range? If so, how does it shoot?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on September 28, 2019, 09:13:51 AM
hi and welcome. good to have you here. looking good, you did a nice job on it.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: 2CavTrooper on September 28, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
Have you gotten a chance to get it out to the range? If so, how does it shoot?

Was planning to go today to shoot the SKS and a 41 K98k that I haven't fired yet. But, it's raining. So no bueno.  cry1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on September 28, 2019, 07:08:40 PM
Well Cav, you certainly have good taste in toys.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on September 28, 2019, 07:41:11 PM
Yeah that's nice ! That thing looks allot better then mine. Did you oil that stock ? Good job of cleaning it up. All numbers match big bonus.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: 2CavTrooper on September 28, 2019, 08:41:19 PM
Yeah that's nice ! That thing looks allot better then mine. Did you oil that stock ? Good job of cleaning it up. All numbers match big bonus.

I stripped the stock as close as I could to bare wood - which was not easy. Then I applied a couple coats of Boiled Linseed Oil with some stain mixed in for color. I'm going to give it a couple weeks to completely cure and then will either apply another coat or two or I will finish it with a high quality wax to seal it.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on September 29, 2019, 04:11:27 PM
Yeah that's nice ! That thing looks allot better then mine. Did you oil that stock ? Good job of cleaning it up. All numbers match big bonus.

I stripped the stock as close as I could to bare wood - which was not easy. Then I applied a couple coats of Boiled Linseed Oil with some stain mixed in for color. I'm going to give it a couple weeks to completely cure and then will either apply another coat or two or I will finish it with a high quality wax to seal it.

How did you strip it?
That looks like you did a pretty good job.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: 2CavTrooper on September 30, 2019, 12:29:02 PM
Yeah that's nice ! That thing looks allot better then mine. Did you oil that stock ? Good job of cleaning it up. All numbers match big bonus.

I stripped the stock as close as I could to bare wood - which was not easy. Then I applied a couple coats of Boiled Linseed Oil with some stain mixed in for color. I'm going to give it a couple weeks to completely cure and then will either apply another coat or two or I will finish it with a high quality wax to seal it.

How did you strip it?
That looks like you did a pretty good job.

That's a long story. I ended up going through multiple different processes multiple times trying to strip the stock before I finally arrived at something I was satisfied with. So, here goes.

1. Initially cleaned with mineral spirits which is what I commonly use for all the parts when I first break down a milsurp rifle to get rid of cosmo.
2. Following a YT tutorial by Larry Potterfield (MidwayUSA) on how to strip a stock using an Oil based finish, I then used Lacquer Thinner. It took a "little" off at first, but then seemed to have no further effect after several hours of patiently working on it.
3. I then moved on to CitrisStrip which was recommended by IraqVeteran and on many gun boards. After doing one round for a short period to ensure there was no impact to the stock, I did a second application for about 16-20 hours and used a rough pad to clean it up. As before, it seemed to do some initial effect, but left quite a bit behind. I think I tried a 3rd time as well.
4. I then moved on to Turpentine. This was used by Potterfield in a separate tutorial where a stock was soaked with gun oil. This rifle was most problematic in the grip area behind the receiver and potentially was due to gun oil. Same as the others, took some off right away, but didn't do much after that.
5. I think I went through all three of the above again without getting close to "bare" wood.
6. I finally resigned myself that the time and effort to get anywhere near what I needed was beyond what I was willing to invest. I decided to do a final clean up using mineral spirits to get rid of any remnants from the previous chemicals followed by warm water. This did the trick! While there was still some depressions where it was not perfect, the overall stock was nearly bare.

All this was over the course of a couple months, working on it a couple times a week. That is why it took me a couple months before I ended up looking for more info and finding this thread.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on September 30, 2019, 02:57:28 PM
Yeah that's nice ! That thing looks allot better then mine. Did you oil that stock ? Good job of cleaning it up. All numbers match big bonus.

I stripped the stock as close as I could to bare wood - which was not easy. Then I applied a couple coats of Boiled Linseed Oil with some stain mixed in for color. I'm going to give it a couple weeks to completely cure and then will either apply another coat or two or I will finish it with a high quality wax to seal it.

How did you strip it?
That looks like you did a pretty good job.

That's a long story. I ended up going through multiple different processes multiple times trying to strip the stock before I finally arrived at something I was satisfied with. So, here goes.

1. Initially cleaned with mineral spirits which is what I commonly use for all the parts when I first break down a milsurp rifle to get rid of cosmo.
2. Following a YT tutorial by Larry Potterfield (MidwayUSA) on how to strip a stock using an Oil based finish, I then used Lacquer Thinner. It took a "little" off at first, but then seemed to have no further effect after several hours of patiently working on it.
3. I then moved on to CitrisStrip which was recommended by IraqVeteran and on many gun boards. After doing one round for a short period to ensure there was no impact to the stock, I did a second application for about 16-20 hours and used a rough pad to clean it up. As before, it seemed to do some initial effect, but left quite a bit behind. I think I tried a 3rd time as well.
4. I then moved on to Turpentine. This was used by Potterfield in a separate tutorial where a stock was soaked with gun oil. This rifle was most problematic in the grip area behind the receiver and potentially was due to gun oil. Same as the others, took some off right away, but didn't do much after that.
5. I think I went through all three of the above again without getting close to "bare" wood.
6. I finally resigned myself that the time and effort to get anywhere near what I needed was beyond what I was willing to invest. I decided to do a final clean up using mineral spirits to get rid of any remnants from the previous chemicals followed by warm water. This did the trick! While there was still some depressions where it was not perfect, the overall stock was nearly bare.

All this was over the course of a couple months, working on it a couple times a week. That is why it took me a couple months before I ended up looking for more info and finding this thread.

I did a copy and paste for further discussion so as not to get too far afield in this thread.
https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=4588.0
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: echo83 on October 31, 2019, 04:23:43 PM
...and they're back. Now starting at $339. Still waiting for my rebate...
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Shine on January 02, 2020, 09:19:48 AM
New to forum and SKS platform.  Doing some research on Semi Auto firearms that will not be banned if Florida's BAWN amendment makes it to the ballot and passes in 2020, came across SKS which would not be a banned firearm (while Ruger 10/22 would be).  Found it interesting and the videos from Classic.  Shelled out the $299 for a non select SKS at Classic Firearms.  Received it pretty quick at my FFL.  Overall condition was pretty good with bluing better than expected.  Stock was in fair shape but had a long scar down the left side - my guess someone pulled it out of a stack and and an open bayonet gouged it.  It as a 15 serial on the barrel and  bolt.  Then all the other parts are mismatched.  Plus stock does not match year with swivels on the side.  I dont know that I care too much about that as they replacement parts were in good condition. Of note, the dust cover and gas tube were remarked with an engraving tool to match bolt/barrel serial number.  Bore was in perfect condition and trigger is super crisp -- about that of a match trigger.  Cleaned and refinished stock and filled the bayonet gouge with epoxy and milled wood.  Importer was PW Arms from Redmond WA.  I did ask Classic about the country of origin and they said the importer does not give them that info (I understand its public record, but that was the response given.)    Here are some pics.  Any info on like origin or other nueances would be cool.  Many Thanks!
(https://i.ibb.co/9TfjFMH/skstg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HzMQWJT)

(https://i.ibb.co/fq0Hhz2/sksr.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://i.ibb.co/7pZwdxQ/sksl.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://i.ibb.co/JrZrbR9/sks-seral.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8PkPRDH)

(https://i.ibb.co/hXzp442/sksdis.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 02, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
Welcome! Obviously we think the SKS is a robust semiautomatic rifle. They’re great collectibles with a rich history too.

Classic Firearms wants to maintain the fiction that they might be from Vietnam, hence “we don’t give out that information“. They aren’t from Vietnam. The US has not imported any small arms from Vietnam. They’re from Albania where arms dealer Limex, of Austria, bought them. A couple of US importers bought them from Limex.

If you use a good quality dark amber flake shellac dissolved in denatured alcohol you may get back close to the original finish. Use multiple thin coats with a light steel wool between each. As the coats build up some thickness, the color will turn from blonde to more orangish. You can add garnet flakes if you need a bit of more orangish to reddish tint to match the color of your handguard. I found different colors of flake shellac on eBay. Finish with a #0000 steel wool to knock down the high gloss.

I prefer not to strip and refinish SKSs or any original milsurp. I do admit I did refinish one very late year refurbished commercial Norinco SKS that was beat to hell and back here in the US  :o :))

https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=3803.0

I’ve used the shellac methods described above on Romanian SKS furniture with good results. I used mostly garnet shellac with a bit of amber to obtain more of a reddish brown.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on January 02, 2020, 03:22:22 PM
New to forum and SKS platform.  Doing some research on Semi Auto firearms that will not be banned if Florida's BAWN amendment makes it to the ballot and passes in 2020, came across SKS which would not be a banned firearm (while Ruger 10/22 would be).  Found it interesting and the videos from Classic.  Shelled out the $299 for a non select SKS at Classic Firearms.  Received it pretty quick at my FFL.  Overall condition was pretty good with bluing better than expected.  Stock was in fair shape but had a long scar down the left side - my guess someone pulled it out of a stack and and an open bayonet gouged it.  It as a 15 serial on the barrel and  bolt.  Then all the other parts are mismatched.  Plus stock does not match year with swivels on the side.  I dont know that I care too much about that as they replacement parts were in good condition. Of note, the dust cover and gas tube were remarked with an engraving tool to match bolt/barrel serial number.  Bore was in perfect condition and trigger is super crisp -- about that of a match trigger.  Cleaned and refinished stock and filled the bayonet gouge with epoxy and milled wood.  Importer was PW Arms from Redmond WA.  I did ask Classic about the country of origin and they said the importer does not give them that info (I understand its public record, but that was the response given.)    Here are some pics.  Any info on like origin or other nueances would be cool.  Many Thanks!


This is very interesting.  Would be the third importer for this batch and the second used by Classic that I have seen.  Can you get me a photo of the import stamp?

Does the stock have a S/N on it?  What about the parts that were electropencilled...do they have signs of scrubbing or do they maybe look like they wr blank parts? 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on January 02, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
hi Shine and welcome. good to have you here. looks  nice, i think you did good.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on January 02, 2020, 09:12:12 PM
Welcome Shine, Any decent looking non matching good functioning sks is worth 375.00 with shipping and ffl included. Unless you already have 25 or so. Then things get a little more picky. It looks like your in business with that one. Have fun with it and bring us back a range report.. Good luck
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Shine on January 03, 2020, 09:28:00 AM
Here is the image of the import stamp.  I watched the "unboxing videos" from Classic and noticed the most recent was in a cardboard container, not wood. 

As for source, I will try to reach out to PW and see if they respond.  Otherwise, contact ATF for a FOIA manifest.  That takes months, but is what it is.  I like the idea that they came from Albania.  From what I understand, virtually all the SKS rifles were in reserve armories with very few in the hands of military and police, being long outdated in 1997 by the AK47.  Hence, most every SKS was looted from the armories and would have been part of the civil war, with most ending up in the hands of the KLA in Kosovo.  One source I saw indicated about 600,000 small arms were looted with only about 100,000 turned in or recovered.  If Albania is the origin, then it was part of history.

Stock has no serial number at all.  Pics of the rifle broke down and the finish cleaned up, wood looked pink which would suggest beechnut.  But, I could see wood characteristics of the original Chinese wood stock, so unsure.

(https://i.ibb.co/xCjydGV/pwArms.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

Kids looting Albanian armory.  AP News 1997

(https://i.ibb.co/svmLZHd/skskids.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 03, 2020, 09:47:45 AM
We dabbled with some, quite in depth trying to get info, we got some stuff...but most of it's pre-internet info and not digital..this is just one list. https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2111.0

I tried several importers.. they will not release information.

Wish you the best of luck.. I don't think a FOIA will get info released, but hey, good luck in your venture. The Information Act may not apply to those nation's. Your dealing with old school Cold War communist nations.. and they won't release anything because some little American Act asks for it. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Boris Badinov on January 03, 2020, 10:02:57 AM
The source is fairly tightly nailed down. One of the forum members at gunboards.com was directly involved in locating and selecting the first caches to be imported from the Albanian stockpiles. His name is Steve K. (Kehaya). I believe he worked with Century Arms.

According to his reconnaissance, the stockpiles of Chinese type56s were fairly large. And, iirc,  there are more arsenal stamps among them than just the factory /26\ carbines.

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 03, 2020, 10:16:12 AM
We are all well too aware of Steve K. (Kehaya) thumb1  I'll let RM or P32 address that discussion,  besides.. mom always said.. if I cant say something nice... zip it boy..  :)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Bacarnal on January 03, 2020, 10:56:36 AM
Welcome Shine.  Thanks for posting your piece and the pictures of the kids looting an Albanian armory.  Kid in the blue with two Chinese SKS's. Cheers, Bruce.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on January 03, 2020, 03:02:37 PM
Here is the image of the import stamp.  I watched the "unboxing videos" from Classic and noticed the most recent was in a cardboard container, not wood. 

As for source, I will try to reach out to PW and see if they respond.  Otherwise, contact ATF for a FOIA manifest.  That takes months, but is what it is.  I like the idea that they came from Albania.  From what I understand, virtually all the SKS rifles were in reserve armories with very few in the hands of military and police, being long outdated in 1997 by the AK47.  Hence, most every SKS was looted from the armories and would have been part of the civil war, with most ending up in the hands of the KLA in Kosovo.  One source I saw indicated about 600,000 small arms were looted with only about 100,000 turned in or recovered.  If Albania is the origin, then it was part of history.

Stock has no serial number at all.  Pics of the rifle broke down and the finish cleaned up, wood looked pink which would suggest beechnut.  But, I could see wood characteristics of the original Chinese wood stock, so unsure.

Interesting that PW reserialed this one.  I suspect they opted to do this wholesale instead of the way CAI did it back in 2014 which was to only reserial guns with duplicate S/Ns that had already been imported & recorded by CAI per ATF rules.  Would be nice to build a rough order database to see how many they imported in this batch.  (At least 801 based on this one example with available digits able to accommodate at least 10,000 all the way up to 99,999 guns.) 

These being a newly seen import, I guess it's right to be skeptical that thee would be the same guns from the Foxtrot Skaneatles or IARMS imports.  Logic seems to dictate that since they are similar arsenal or S/N, in similar condition, with similar trench art they would be the same batch.  It'll be interesting to get some more concrete info.  A bit of Albanian trench art would be enough for me I think, the condition is too consistent to be a whole new batch of guns from a totally different country of (import) origin. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on January 03, 2020, 03:11:26 PM
We dabbled with some, quite in depth trying to get info, we got some stuff...but most of it's pre-internet info and not digital..this is just one list. https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2111.0

I tried several importers.. they will not release information.

Wish you the best of luck.. I don't think a FOIA will get info released, but hey, good luck in your venture. The Information Act may not apply to those nation's. Your dealing with old school Cold War communist nations.. and they won't release anything because some little American Act asks for it.
Yeah, Foxtrot was more than happy to answer my questions up until I got to the "Where did you guys import these from?" and then the door shut securely in my face. 

Shine: The FOIA route *might* get you something from ATF, but remember that exemption #4 specifically excludes:
Quote
Concerning trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person that is privileged or confidential.
The importer can deem this information a trade secret and the government, even though they know it and it's a well known 'secret', simply cannot release it via FOIA.

We are all well too aware of Steve K. (Kehaya) thumb1  I'll let RM or P32 address that discussion,  besides.. mom always said.. if I cant say something nice... zip it boy..  :)
Steve K is a good guy.  The book is perhaps a bit outdated (and he and Joe P have no plans to issue a new revision), but his first-hand info from sorting the initial batch of CAI Sino-Banians in the early 2010's is a very good read.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 03, 2020, 03:33:15 PM
As a scientist, I always like proof, but that is almost always in scant supply when it comes to business deals, double down on that scarcity of proof when it comes to arms business deals. Steve has definitely been a good source of first hand information on the Chinese small arms from Albania.

I agree RM that a carved "Hoxha", "Pristina" or similar trench art on the PW Arms imports would definitely be great but I can't think of another country from which these Type 56s are likely to have originated, other than Albania, especially given the era of manufacture and condition being consistent with the others. Of course, IO/TGI recently imported Mausers and Enfields from Ethiopia, so little pockets of military surplus small arms are still emerging from expected and unexpected locations; there is little that can be stated with 100% certainty.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Shine on January 05, 2020, 12:36:50 PM
Went ahead and filed a FOIA request with the ATF.  This is good discussion to find out what information is actually available.  Yes, there are exemptions but I cannot see that this would be one.  It looks like importers of firearms must complete something called AFT form 6.  This would very likely be a public document, just like your C&R permit and FFl.  Plus, all those conspiracy theory emails you send to your congressman.

https://www.atf.gov/file/11356/download

May be a dead end. Will you let know what I find.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on January 05, 2020, 10:16:22 PM
Awesome!  I hope they release some good info to you.   thumb1

I'm always wary of the "We can get you this information, but to search for it will cost you $1000, do you want to send us a check so we can proceed?" line that I've read on the 'net from others trying to get info from other government agencies.   dntknw1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Randy on January 18, 2020, 12:49:47 AM
Here I am entering my second post. I just received a CA SKS type 56. I asked for best of ten, maybe I got it, maybe I didn't. What I did get was a 100% matching rifle from what I can tell. The only part that is questionable is the gas tube, I can't find any markings on it at all. FWIW I see a cartouche on the side of the stock. Whether it means something is also a question, the mark is a triangle with at least a 2 inside, there may be a period after the 2, I can't tell.

Here are the best pictures I can get with my phone. Yup, there was plenty of rust below the stock line and a little above as you can see. Very little bluing left but it has a nice brown patina that I like.
(https://i.ibb.co/b1k7nCD/KIMG0946.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0qxQ36v)

(https://i.ibb.co/ykFG4N3/KIMG0947.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdBY0Nr)

(https://i.ibb.co/Jk0QtFC/KIMG0948.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bdqJmR7)

(https://i.ibb.co/6X6J5wQ/KIMG0949.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GHg3jpm)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZmnWjMq/KIMG0950.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dgdGT58)

(https://i.ibb.co/2dvFp0Q/KIMG0951.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rHxQXKS)

(https://i.ibb.co/fF1yKzz/KIMG0952.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bmWCyMM)

(https://i.ibb.co/3r92QRG/KIMG0953.jpg) (https://ibb.co/98k6SZz)

(https://i.ibb.co/rGXK8cM/KIMG0954.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FbdkZ0J)

(https://i.ibb.co/9pgHLbV/KIMG0956.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S6yw8td)

(https://i.ibb.co/yYbXjZZ/KIMG0957.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQKHnTT)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 18, 2020, 08:23:31 AM
Hey Randy, looks like a legitimate matching example with honest wear, courtesy of the Albanians  thumb1 If you could post some pictures of the whole rifle taken in daylight, it’d be great to see them.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Direct Connection on January 18, 2020, 08:47:45 AM
Very cool SkS with plenty of character.  That it to the range and let us know what people say about it  chuckles1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Randy on January 19, 2020, 01:02:25 AM
Hey Randy, looks like a legitimate matching example with honest wear, courtesy of the Albanians  thumb1 If you could post some pictures of the whole rifle taken in daylight, it’d be great to see them.

That might be a while, a witch's bare bosom is warmer than it is outside these last few days.

Very cool SkS with plenty of character.  That it to the range and let us know what people say about it  chuckles1

No range, I wander out behind the barn and have my choice, west for 25yards or east for 100yards. I very seldom shoot with anyone other than my wife.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Randy on January 19, 2020, 01:21:42 AM
I still have some cleaning to do on it. It appears there is still a fair amount of lacquer on the stock, other than that it's beat senseless. It's got more scars on it than a whipping boy. No art that stands out though.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: 22srfun on May 11, 2020, 12:04:33 PM
 Hello everyone,
     I just cleaned up a type 56 I bought from Classic last fall. I must be one of the lucky one, it's in great shape.
    Before I post pictures and write more I wanted to see if a new posting will bring this thread back to the top of the list. If not I'll start a new one.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 11, 2020, 12:08:39 PM
Hello everyone,
     I just cleaned up a type 56 I bought from Classic last fall. I must be one of the lucky one, it's in great shape.
    Before I post pictures and write more I wanted to see if a new posting will bring this thread back to the top of the list. If not I'll start a new one.

Congrats! Yes, a new post bumps the thread back to the top of the list in the sub-forum. Feel free to start a new thread if you prefer  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: 22srfun on May 11, 2020, 12:57:57 PM
  Thanks for the confirmation. I thought it might be best to stay with the thread specifically about the latest batch of Type 56's from Classic.
 
  I must be one of the lucky ones because the rifle I got is in very nice condition.
I bought it last fall and did pay the extra $25 for matching numbers and milled trigger guard. With the quarantine and dismall weather in the north east I had time this weekend to clean and reassemble.

  It was covered in a very thick coating of cosmoline. I simply scrapped off the worst of it with a tongue depressor and then painted on some odorless mineral spirits. The odorless kind is milky and thicker than regular mineral spirits, so it stays in place. Left it overnight and most of it brushed off reasonably easily.

  Then a reclean with regular mineral spirits and a blast of gun cleaner solvent to remove any leftover residue. Same thing with the stock. I don't know why people struggle with oven cleaner and hot bags in the sun when good old mineral spirits work so well.

  Underneath all that I found a rifle in beautiful condition with all matching serial numbers. No rust or pitting anywhere! I have attached pictures to show everything important.

  I found three things that I have questions on.

1. The pin in the bolt that holds in the firing pin has a small  triangular shaped "tab" on it. I have not seen anything like it on the other SKS's I have. (Recently completed my collection of the big 5) It was very difficult to get a picture. You might think it was a burr raised on the part but I believe it was intentional.

2. The firing pin has a divot on the end. It is not chipped. I can't figure out how it would get damaged in this manner.

3. The sight seems to have been painted black yet it is blued underneath.

   Please look at the pictures and let me know what you think.

 
(https://i.ibb.co/G99c3hT/Rifle-Left-Side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jqq5FhQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/Bj7jFYV/Rifle-right-side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TRnRdNB)

(https://i.ibb.co/JC0FNzX/Barreled-receiver.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x3P8yMV)

(https://i.ibb.co/VB9NG6b/Receiver-serial-no.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3hdsbKV)

(https://i.ibb.co/F3597Gq/Receiver-serial-no-and-mark-on-stock.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mT9mzQF)

(https://i.ibb.co/KbP5xyk/Cover-serial-No.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZGjfzTP)

(https://i.ibb.co/0nPdth1/Bolt-carrier-serial-No.jpg) (https://ibb.co/51qfFBC)

(https://i.ibb.co/0fN0HPb/Bolt-Serial-No.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MRTzFq0)

(https://i.ibb.co/h12ZmK7/Mag-serial-no.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rf5cwZ7)

(https://i.ibb.co/tH0ZB1d/Stock-serial-No.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x2nmhr4)

(https://i.ibb.co/q0PR2vp/Trigger-guard-serial-no.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LQ2Cs31)

(https://i.ibb.co/G9tNkDn/Extractor-serial-no.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MfGQpHZ)

(https://i.ibb.co/X3m1c5w/Gas-piston-serial-no.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JyXVDph)

(https://i.ibb.co/jD7c1Jb/Gas-tube-serial-no.jpg) (https://ibb.co/njhH5P6)

(https://i.ibb.co/dJJDnGk/Sight-serial-no.jpg) (https://ibb.co/933WRsy)

(https://i.ibb.co/WK4jDwT/Barell-and-receiver-marks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DKHTGyq)

(https://i.ibb.co/SyhzBNP/Bottom-of-barell-marks.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9gF7WnN)

(https://i.ibb.co/J7rtGcs/Importer-mark.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XsFLKWC)

(https://i.ibb.co/HdVvbY4/Undisturbed-bayonet-staking.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9tNX12g)

(https://i.ibb.co/z7906jJ/Inside-stock.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xf9RFPH)

(https://i.ibb.co/CVpHnQt/Cosmoline-in-bore.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nQqLDj0)

(https://i.ibb.co/89B9WDX/Tab-on-bolt-pin.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TtTtVBr)

(https://i.ibb.co/4WJdk2Z/Tab-on-bolt-pin-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hsCf0cR)

(https://i.ibb.co/SXqf7s0/Divot-on-firing-pin.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DD3rgVk)

(https://i.ibb.co/SNQjBjP/Divot-on-firing-pin-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4Wsqpq7)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: 22srfun on May 11, 2020, 12:59:38 PM
  Sorry, the pictures were all upside right on my computer screen when I posted them!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 11, 2020, 03:43:13 PM
I don't understand why anyone would use oven cleaner on a stock...will just ruin the finish and is hard on the wood.

Regarding the firing pin, that is a flaw or fracture and you would definitely want to be sure any abrupt edges or points are rounded off with high number sand paper or similar to hopefully avoid piercing primers. I've used firing pins with small fractures on the tip after dulling the edges without incident but that one is more extensive than anything I've encountered. The biggest risk is a pierced primer, and though I suspect it'll function okay, I'm not 100% certain that it won't pierce a primer even if you dull the edges. Depending on how risk averse you are, you may want to purchase a new firing pin. Otherwise, make sure you wear good eye protection (in general) the first time you fire it. In the event of a pierced primer the fraction of the gases that do bleed off in the wrong direction will primarily flow down the firing pin channel but they're definitely heading in the general direction of the shooter rather than down the barrel.

Not sure what you're seeing on the firing pin retaining pin.

If there's black paint on the sight leaf, it was undoubtedly applied by the Albanians and not the Chinese.

Great looking Type 56  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Bob_The_Student on May 11, 2020, 03:48:32 PM
Very nice, I'd be happy with that one.

It looks like your firing pin either took a bad hit from something or possibly a defect from manufacturing. I bet you get a better thought on that.
I can see the triangle on the pin but I wouldn't read too much into that, IMO. As far as the rear sight I think I may try to see if that rubbed off where that "glob" is. Not a big deal though. The sight is EP'd to the gun so I wouldn't switch it out.

These guys will have you in shape in a little bit and then you can disregard all my incorrect comments above.  chuckles1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on May 11, 2020, 05:50:45 PM
You did alright.
Nice cosmo-worm coming out of the muzzle.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: 22srfun on May 11, 2020, 06:00:36 PM
   Thank you both for your comments.

   It may sound paranoid but whenever I first shoot a milsurp, I wear a full face motorcycle helmet. I figure it's cheap insurance in case something does go wrong.

   I will look for a replacement firing pin. I had the same concern about piercing the primer.

  It is difficult to see, but if you zoom in on the retainer pin it has a triangular boss that is above the flat surface. When  installed it sits near the end of the extractor spring. I thought maybe the Chinese version had this feature that other versions do not.

  I read that the 11 million series is where they changed to stamped trigger guards, smaller font on the stock numbers and eliminated lightening cuts on the bolt. Is this an early version before those changes were incorporated?

  Also, any idea what the "2" in a triangle on the stock means?

   Besides the firing pin i certainly do not plan to change anything. I'm happy just the way it is


Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 11, 2020, 06:58:27 PM
  It is difficult to see, but if you zoom in on the retainer pin it has a triangular boss that is above the flat surface. When  installed it sits near the end of the extractor spring. I thought maybe the Chinese version had this feature that other versions do not.

  I read that the 11 million series is where they changed to stamped trigger guards, smaller font on the stock numbers and eliminated lightening cuts on the bolt. Is this an early version before those changes were incorporated?

  Also, any idea what the "2" in a triangle on the stock means?

Probably just a flaw. There is nothing unique about the Chinese FP retaining pin.

Yes, they transitioned to those features during the massive production year of 1966. Undoubtedly, just working to trim minutes from the total time of production per unit as they supplied Chinese PLA and Militia needs, as well as arming North Vietnam and other client states.

The triangle markings on stocks remain an unsolved issue but are likely in-process inspection markings. They are generally single or some double digit marks. Since Jianshe Arsenal /26\ and the main producer of Type 56 AKs and Type 54 Tokarevs, /66\, were the only double digit arsenals in the 1950s to 1960s that I'm aware of, and there are no single digit arsenals, it seems likely that such low number markings are inspection marks rather than marks of separate "wood-working" arsenals that supplied stocks.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: echo83 on May 11, 2020, 10:18:28 PM
You lucked out on this one; that's a fine looking rifle, and you did a great job cleaning it up. Mine from Classic was packed with Cosmoline, too.

Like you, I wasn't thrilled with my firing pin, so after some research I went to Sarco for a new one. I'd definitely recommend them. Affordable, quick shipping, and a brand new pin, too.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Bob_The_Student on May 12, 2020, 05:23:14 AM
22srfun, when I got my first Chinese SKS that had the /2\ on the stock I told people the gun was twice used in Egypt.  chuckles1  nea1

Nobody seems to know "exactly" what it means so...
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 12, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
Here are mine after I cleaned them up.

The darker one has the poorer stock - some gouges on right side probably from shipping.  The bluing is very good and only rust was on back of butt-stock base plate.  The lighter one has the nicer stock, but has some pitting on the outside of the gas tube and the bayonet assembly.  It has less bluing but is still good for it's age.  Lighter stock also has a /6\ stamped in the stock on the left hand side.  Both have nice rifling, clean gas tubes and don't show signs of a lot of use.  Overall I am pleased with both of them.

I ordered them in early April and it took about a week for them to ship.

(https://i.ibb.co/bXmMDMd/Dark.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1TQtjt2)

(https://i.ibb.co/Trbxykf/light.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0QFR5c7)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 12, 2020, 12:54:09 PM
Glad to have you here High Noon.  Is the bottom gun with the inverted takedown lever a 12 million /26\ or is it even later?  Nice looking carbines.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 12, 2020, 02:29:47 PM
Thanks! 

Both are in the 12 million range.

Dark one is...
(https://i.ibb.co/Q6RrNW8/IMAG2927-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y81Wyzh)

Light one is....
(https://i.ibb.co/N1YKfp5/IMAG2928-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z8fZCbp)

Notice the slight variation in the /26\ stamp.

Both also have the inverted lever for the rear dust cover and without lightning cuts on the bolt.



Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on May 12, 2020, 06:18:58 PM
Looks like you did pretty good, High Noon.
Post an introduction and we'll all give you a proper "Howdy"!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 12, 2020, 11:29:36 PM
I'm in the process of cleaning the cosmo off of a PW Arms import with their serial number of 10,1xx. Chinese serial number in the 12 mil range. Stock is unnumbered Albanian with two holes in the butt but the buttplate is single hole Chinese. All matching except for the unnumbered stock. I'll post some pics when I get her cleaned up.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 13, 2020, 07:42:12 AM
Looks like two winners High Noon! Both still having correct Chinese stocks is beating the odds.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 13, 2020, 10:24:05 AM
Looks like two winners High Noon! Both still having correct Chinese stocks is beating the odds.

Thanks - they have some flaws for sure.  I figured matching stocks would be common, but they'd just be beat up. Never ordered anything from CF before so I didn't know what to expect.  The photos others have posted online seem to vary a lot.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 11:12:12 AM
Here are mine after I cleaned them up.





(https://i.ibb.co/bXmMDMd/Dark.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1TQtjt2)

(https://i.ibb.co/Trbxykf/light.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0QFR5c7)

Nice looking rifles High Noon!! Did you do the hand select/numbers matching option?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 12:57:00 PM
This one came from Classic this week. Importer is PW ARMS. I believe the stock to be a Albanian replacement.
(https://i.ibb.co/RN2px1p/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W0nWbQW)

(https://i.ibb.co/hD2Gf55/96.png) (https://ibb.co/5BsQFDD)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 13, 2020, 02:45:49 PM
This one came from Classic this week. Importer is PW ARMS. I believe the stock to be a Albanian replacement.
(https://i.ibb.co/RN2px1p/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W0nWbQW)

Nice! Definitely an Albanian beechwood stock with a side swivel. How does it fit at the front ferrule?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 13, 2020, 02:55:32 PM
Nice looking rifles High Noon!! Did you do the hand select/numbers matching option?

Thanks.

I did, even though some said it was worthless.  Did it just because it made me feel better buying one without seeing it! 

Did you do it as well?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 13, 2020, 02:56:56 PM
This one came from Classic this week. Importer is PW ARMS. I believe the stock to be a Albanian replacement.
(https://i.ibb.co/RN2px1p/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W0nWbQW)

That looks nice - I like the color.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 03:02:01 PM
Nice! Definitely an Albanian beechwood stock with a side swivel. How does it fit at the front ferrule?

Thanks. The stock is cut nice and square. If fits snug. The gap is a little larger than I prefer but its a lot better than some of the other ones I've seen. I'm very satisfied with it. This close up pic makes it look worse than it really is.



(https://i.ibb.co/NSmnS7L/95.png) (https://ibb.co/Dp8gpL7)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 13, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
Looks pretty good. The gap is only cosmetic. If it's not fitted well enough it can place a downward stress on the barrel that could be a negative for accuracy.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 03:09:15 PM
Did you do it as well?

No. I rolled the dice and got lucky. I was really expecting it to be mix matched with a cracked stock but I was very impressed with it. Makes me want to get another one.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 03:12:20 PM
Looks pretty good. The gap is only cosmetic. If it's not fitted well enough it can place a downward stress on the barrel that could be a negative for accuracy.

It fits very snug. The only problem I have with the stock is this:

(https://i.ibb.co/N2ncN1L/6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYpfCHv)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 03:20:03 PM
That looks nice - I like the color.

Thanks HN, I was very impressed with the color. Although it doesn't match the Chinese handguard it still looks close enough. I usually don't prefer mixmatched wood but in this case its ok because I've read that the Albanian replacement stocks are somewhat unique. How unique, I don't know.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 13, 2020, 03:29:26 PM
after seeing what everyone is getting, i am very tempted.  pullhair1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 03:30:00 PM
It appears that Ben dropped it and bent the rear swivel.  rofl jk, I like Ben. I really don't know where the modification came from. Maybe a knapsack or utility belt.


(https://i.ibb.co/JdWJgmD/94.png) (https://ibb.co/dcsYxj8)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 13, 2020, 03:32:38 PM
  No. I rolled the dice and got lucky. I was really expecting it to be mix matched with a cracked stock but I was very impressed with it. Makes me want to get another one.
[/quote]

Lol.  Figured if I ordered two, I'd get one that was decent and one that was real rough.  But I'd learn from taking them apart and cleaning and then might sell the rough one.  However I got two that were good enough to keep, even though they have been used and carried around for sure.

Does anyone know if these were actually used by China for a few years or just shipped out as aid to Albania?
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
after seeing what everyone is getting, i am very tempted.  pullhair1

I figured I'd get one while the getting is still good. I don't like the feeling I get when I visit the website and they've SOLD OUT. I hate those words >:( .There's really no way to go wrong at those prices.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 13, 2020, 03:41:41 PM
I figured I'd get one while the getting is still good. I don't like the feeling I get when I visit the website and they've SOLD OUT. I hate those words >:( .There's really no way to go wrong at those prices.

Yeah - I've already seen what appears to be these Chinese/Albanian imports on GBrkr for more $$$.  So I decided to go ahead and get them now, knowing that I could sell later on if I needed to and get my money back.  Once these remaining eligible Chinese imports are tracked down and brought in, prices will go up!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 13, 2020, 03:55:14 PM
It fits very snug. The only problem I have with the stock is this:

(https://i.ibb.co/N2ncN1L/6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYpfCHv)

Bummer about that lost nut, those are hard to find by themselves.  You can sometimes find a complete crossbolt replacement with the nut on ebay for ~$10. 
If you don't mind the higher price, DF has them in stock: https://www.desertfoxsales.com/SKS_RIFLE_CROSS_BOLT_p/sks-009.htm

That stock is very much like my first SinoBanian (with a replacement Alby stock with dual buttplalte holes):
(https://i.ibb.co/KXjxMMv/IMG-1718.jpg)

I hated the dark mismatching handguard so much, I wound up refinishing it to match batter.  Much happier with the current configuration:
(https://i.ibb.co/9w17Dm9/IMG-1940-crop.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 13, 2020, 04:03:27 PM
Bummer about that lost nut, those are hard to find by themselves.  You can sometimes find a complete crossbolt replacement with the nut on ebay for ~$10. 
That stock is very much like my first SinoBanian (with a replacement Alby stock with dual buttplalte holes):
I hated the dark mismatching handguard so much, I wound up refinishing it to match batter.  Much happier with the current configuration:
(https://i.ibb.co/9w17Dm9/IMG-1940-crop.jpg)

That looks great!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Bubbazinetti on May 13, 2020, 04:05:58 PM
Yeah, the days of $65 unissued Chinese SKS is looong gone. :(
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 04:07:18 PM
That stock is very much like my first SinoBanian (with a replacement Alby stock with dual buttplalte holes):


Does yours have the two hole butt plate assembly? Mine has the two holes bored in the stock but it has a single hole plate covering them. I'm finding out that the complete double hole assemblies are hard to come by as well.

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 04:10:12 PM
That looks great!

Sure does HN, RM did a superb job on it.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 04:19:58 PM
I can disassemble and reassemble a sks with my eyes closed but I can't figure out how to disassemble and reassemble quotes in broad daylight  dash2 

I've got the hang of it now. Thanks RM   dance2
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 04:28:29 PM
Bummer about that lost nut, those are hard to find by themselves.  You can sometimes find a complete crossbolt replacement with the nut on ebay for ~$10. 
If you don't mind the higher price, DF has them in stock: https://www.desertfoxsales.com/SKS_RIFLE_CROSS_BOLT_p/sks-009.htm

I contacted Classic to see if they had any extra laying around the shop. If not I'll contact DF. Thanks RM
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 13, 2020, 04:42:37 PM
I don't see too many import markings like this. The 10,000 range is the highest I've seen or heard about so far.
(https://i.ibb.co/YLncpv6/8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vjy3Z2b)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 13, 2020, 05:09:30 PM
Does yours have the two hole butt plate assembly? Mine has the two holes bored in the stock but it has a single hole plate covering them. I'm finding out that the complete double hole assemblies are hard to come by as well.

Yessir, it definitely is an odd bird!  In fact, I wanted to know the ins-and-outs of this one so much that I started researching these things and the rest is history.  One could say this gun is responsible for me being here @ SKS-Files.

(https://i.ibb.co/Wg3s7Wj/IMG-1378.jpg)

Ghost, to quote you need an opening quote block: [ quote] and a closing quote block [/quote ]

The PW arms import stamps are the newest out there for the most recent batch of SinoBanians.  These guns have been spike bayo /26\ guns with S/Ns from 10 mil to 13 mil.  I need to update the Recent CAI, IO, & TGI Chinese Type 56 Imports Guide (https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=129.0) to include them and the IARMS imports that came in about 6 months ago. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Bubbazinetti on May 13, 2020, 05:23:19 PM
Is the second hole for the Cuban cigar to celebrate a successful mission? :))
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on May 13, 2020, 07:36:42 PM
Is the second hole for the Cuban cigar to celebrate a successful mission? :))

The second butt hole?
For those long and lonely nights....

Sorry. I just sorta had to.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 13, 2020, 09:27:50 PM
Yessir, it definitely is an odd bird!  In fact, I wanted to know the ins-and-outs of this one so much that I started researching these things and the rest is history.  One could say this gun is responsible for me being here @ SKS-Files.

(https://i.ibb.co/Wg3s7Wj/IMG-1378.jpg)

Ghost, to quote you need an opening quote block: [ quote] and a closing quote block [/quote ]

The PW arms import stamps are the newest out there for the most recent batch of SinoBanians.  These guns have been spike bayo /26\ guns with S/Ns from 10 mil to 13 mil.  I need to update the Recent CAI, IO, & TGI Chinese Type 56 Imports Guide (https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=129.0) to include them and the IARMS imports that came in about 6 months ago.

Very interesting!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Justin Hell on May 14, 2020, 10:04:19 AM
That stock is very much like my first SinoBanian (with a replacement Alby stock with dual buttplalte holes):


Does yours have the two hole butt plate assembly? Mine has the two holes bored in the stock but it has a single hole plate covering them. I'm finding out that the complete double hole assemblies are hard to come by as well.

I have a two hole plate, and what I think is half of a trap door....picked it up because I considered using it on a Russian laminate, which seemed to be capable of using it....and never got past the looking for trap door point.  Are the trap doors the same as on everything else or are they different altogether?  Luckily my Classic came 100% intact with original parts....not that it shouldn't have had a few things replaced. :P
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 14, 2020, 01:04:30 PM
I'm 80% sure they are different doors on a true Albanian model 561 stock, but a standard trapdoor can be (and often is) used in a pinch on these SinoBanians. 
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Johnothanross01 on May 17, 2020, 03:13:18 PM
Hello, this is my first time posting so sorry if I do something wrong.

I got my sks from classic a few days ago. I paid the extra 25$ for hand select. I filled out the survey and from what I understand it's a late model. All numbers match. Stock is in ok shape, few gouges and dings here and there. Metal components are in good shape. Buttery smooth and the bluing is ok. Bore looks new. Serial number is 122893xx.

If you need anymore info just ask.
(https://i.ibb.co/cxvFHbS/Sks1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wYLWXJF)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 17, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Welcome to the forum. She's a beauty! More pics would be great.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Bacarnal on May 17, 2020, 04:28:36 PM
Welcome aboard from Kentucky, J01. Nice weapon. Can't wait for more pix!!!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 17, 2020, 08:03:14 PM
Very nice!  Thanks for filling out the survey.  This reminds me that I need to put the PE arms importer stamp as an option on the survey.   thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 17, 2020, 10:49:22 PM
Hello, this is my first time posting so sorry if I do something wrong.

I got my sks from classic a few days ago. I paid the extra 25$ for hand select. I filled out the survey and from what I understand it's a late model. All numbers match. Stock is in ok shape, few gouges and dings here and there. Metal components are in good shape. Buttery smooth and the bluing is ok. Bore looks new. Serial number is 122893xx.

If you need anymore info just ask.
(https://i.ibb.co/cxvFHbS/Sks1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wYLWXJF)

Nice looking rifle!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on May 18, 2020, 04:00:03 AM
Good score, John.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 18, 2020, 10:51:04 AM
Nice 1967 Johnothan! Those chrome-lined bores are great.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Johnothanross01 on May 18, 2020, 12:12:35 PM
She was gunked in cosmoline. Looked like a Carmel apple. It didnt come with a cleaning kit however I found a twig of unknown origin in the trap door. I used mineral spirits in a spray bottle to clean it up.
(https://i.ibb.co/1Qk7wSV/20200515-143903.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DWZzSqX)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 20, 2020, 07:15:43 AM
Bummer about that lost nut, those are hard to find by themselves.  You can sometimes find a complete crossbolt replacement with the nut on ebay for ~$10. 
If you don't mind the higher price, DF has them in stock: https://www.desertfoxsales.com/SKS_RIFLE_CROSS_BOLT_p/sks-009.htm

Update on the crossbolt. Ebay had one from Russia but it would'nt arrive until July. DF had a used one  but didn't show good pics and I didn't know if the threads would be stripped or not. But I found a new one from Kengs that worked perfect.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Bob_The_Student on May 20, 2020, 09:41:42 PM
PM, me to remind me. I may have a crossbolt I can help you with. I'm not 100% but if you remind me to check this weekend we can work it out.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 20, 2020, 10:37:45 PM
PM, me to remind me. I may have a crossbolt I can help you with. I'm not 100% but if you remind me to check this weekend we can work it out.
Thanks Bob but I already found one at Kengs. It was brand new OEM and it worked perfect. Although its new it has a dull look to it and blends with the worn carbine very well.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 21, 2020, 09:19:30 AM
what is Kengs?  pullhair1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 21, 2020, 10:39:39 AM
what is Kengs?  pullhair1
I think Kengs Firearms Technologies is a importer that imports parts from Poly Technologies and other exporters. They have a website and they also sell on Gunbroker. I found them on Gunbroker. I knew KFS was a importer but I didn't know they were still in business. I see a lot of Russian carbines with their KFS import mark.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: owenj492 on May 21, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
@carl sks, here is the Keng's gunbroker items:

https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Sort=13&IncludeSellers=870014&PageSize=25

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 21, 2020, 02:23:48 PM
thanks guys!  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 21, 2020, 02:38:10 PM
This one came from Classic this week. Importer is PW ARMS. I believe the stock to be a Albanian replacement.
(https://i.ibb.co/RN2px1p/1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W0nWbQW)

(https://i.ibb.co/hD2Gf55/96.png) (https://ibb.co/5BsQFDD)

just picked up mine today from LGS, still in cosmoline. very similar # 12277772. will try pics, but don't do them well.  pullhair1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 21, 2020, 03:19:02 PM
I just saw your post Carl, congratulations!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 21, 2020, 05:26:27 PM
I don't see too many import markings like this. The 10,000 range is the highest I've seen or heard about so far.
(https://i.ibb.co/YLncpv6/8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vjy3Z2b)

similar #, no cutout. maybe they all didn't have one.  :o
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Johnothanross01 on May 21, 2020, 05:32:08 PM
Mine is 10223 and has cut out.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 21, 2020, 05:37:28 PM
maybe my stock was made on a Monday and the worker was hung over.  or a Friday and was in a hurry to get out of work.  :o
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 22, 2020, 11:34:45 AM
If it has an inverted takedown lever, guaranteed that it had a notch on the ORIGINAL stock.   thumb1

Any year 12 /26\ with a side swivel is a replacement stock.

Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 22, 2020, 05:00:45 PM
just cleaned that area of the stock and it does have a very shallow cut out. barely noticeable.  :o
(https://i.ibb.co/YRWjBr5/DSCN0575.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PmYCGS2)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 22, 2020, 07:40:36 PM
If it has an inverted takedown lever, guaranteed that it had a notch on the ORIGINAL stock.   thumb1

I had completely overlooked the inverted takedown lever. Thanks RM
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 22, 2020, 08:11:24 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/N2ncN1L/6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VYpfCHv)
Problem solved. I think the color of the new nut blends very well.
(https://i.ibb.co/D4kSDTg/SKS4.png) (https://ibb.co/6YbfRLJ)
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Bubbazinetti on May 22, 2020, 08:46:20 PM
Looks really good.You can't tell.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: High Noon on May 22, 2020, 09:42:15 PM
Problem solved. I think the color of the new nut blends very well.

I'd never notice it was replaced.  Nice work!
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 22, 2020, 10:17:47 PM
 thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 22, 2020, 10:19:23 PM
Thanks guys  thankyou1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: Larry D. on May 23, 2020, 04:44:21 AM
A perfect match, I'd say.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: carls sks on May 23, 2020, 10:36:49 AM
would never know.  thumb1
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: ffjoey on May 29, 2020, 10:05:25 AM
Question about the survey, I found nothing for the PW Arms import stamp, did I just miss it? I put unknown instead.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: running-man on May 29, 2020, 02:50:45 PM
No you didn’t miss it, it’s a new stamp and I haven’t had time to put it in the survey yet.
Title: Re: New 2019 type 56 imports at Classic tracking thread
Post by: ffjoey on May 29, 2020, 04:19:00 PM
Gotcha, well both mine and my brothers are in there now. Looks like we jumped at the right time since it now shows out of stock at classic. If they were so low on inventory I’m really surprised how nice ours were.