Canadian SKS 'D'

running-man · April 20, 2018, 08:13:21 PM

Hey Sal, did you see this one on the 'other' boards?

http://www.SKSboards.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=4e8aekd077pq9gdn4pdbicbcn5&topic=147816.msg1739352#msg1739352

No true import stamp and an odd ball SKS and caliber designator. The S/N indicates an '08 build. Look at the spot welded portion of the receiver where the tang for the trigger group is. I've never seen one like that...

Power Surge · April 21, 2018, 12:07:49 AM

Quote from: running-man on April 20, 2018, 08:13:21 PM
Hey Sal, did you see this one on the 'other' boards?

http://www.SKSboards.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=4e8aekd077pq9gdn4pdbicbcn5&topic=147816.msg1739352#msg1739352

No true import stamp and an odd ball SKS and caliber designator. The S/N indicates an '08 build. Look at the spot welded portion of the receiver where the tang for the trigger group is. I've never seen one like that...

That is definitely a new one to me. There ARE Canadian SKS-Ds (they are legitimately called "D"s in Canada). But this one does not look like any of the three versions I have on file. I've never seen one with that kind of font, nor with that kind of receiver modification. I do not believe the Commercial rifles with only 5 digit serials signify date. I honestly have no idea what that rifle is

jpeppers · April 21, 2018, 12:14:42 AM

So I guess this is where everyone ran off to since I noticed the other board seems far less active.

I'm sure most of you have seen pictures of it in the auction, but for those that might have missed it below is a picture of the full assembled rifle. You can see that the serial and the caliber designation is mostly under the stock wood line. Hopefully, you can also see how I thought the mount might be separate from the receiver cover, and that the rifle has the original receiver cover, since the mount is different than the typical 4 screw Leapers mount. Unfortunately, that is not the case and the mount and cover are one piece. I'll probably try to find an unmarked cover since I highly doubt I'll have enough luck to find one with a matching serial number. The bayonet was also missing.

My other "D" is also an oddball with a dual magazine release (original plus the one for AK mags.)

Greasemonkey · April 21, 2018, 01:09:14 AM

I wonder if it's a "clandestine" rifle.. maybe a newer one.

See this...
http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2143.0

running-man · April 21, 2018, 09:59:17 AM

Hey jpeppers, awesome that you dropped in! These boards and those boards don't get along for the most part.

Your carbine is a really neat specimen. Looks like none of the SKS-30's from the 80's & 90's, the Midwest Ordinance true SKS D's, or as PS says the 3 examples of Canadian SKS Ds he's seen. Do you have a link to the auction? Would love to see if the seller is near the Canadian border or if there is something that ties it to brand new production.

Are there any other unusual features on this guy? Does the cut in the receiver to allow AK mags look like it was done during the initial build or perhaps was it a secondary operation done to an existing gun?

Welcome to the boards!

Power Surge · April 21, 2018, 10:09:27 AM

Quote from: jpeppers on April 21, 2018, 12:14:42 AM
So I guess this is where everyone ran off to since I noticed the other board seems far less active.

I'm sure most of you have seen pictures of it in the auction, but for those that might have missed it below is a picture of the full assembled rifle. You can see that the serial and the caliber designation is mostly under the stock wood line. Hopefully, you can also see how I thought the mount might be separate from the receiver cover, and that the rifle has the original receiver cover, since the mount is different than the typical 4 screw Leapers mount. Unfortunately, that is not the case and the mount and cover are one piece. I'll probably try to find an unmarked cover since I highly doubt I'll have enough luck to find one with a matching serial number. The bayonet was also missing.

My other "D" is also an oddball with a dual magazine release (original plus the one for AK mags.)

Welcome to The Files, jpeppers.

I'm pretty certain this rifle is a re-arsenaled version Commercial. During the commercial production years, there were arsenals that "copied" commercial models other arsenals were making, and made their own versions. A prime example is the MC-5D version of the SKS-M. I'm pretty certain that's the case with this rifle.

Your other D must be a Delta Investment Group import. Those were common for having the dual mag release.

jpeppers · April 21, 2018, 01:41:11 PM

Thanks for the welcome. Here is a link to the auction: https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/759115476

I haven't seen a large enough sample size to comment on the modifications, but below are three pics of the magwell area. The sun wasn't cooperating today so I had to take them with flash on. Nothing else about the rifle stands out. There's no markings other than those that I already posted. The only thing that did stand out was the scope mount. I'm not overly familiar with the aftermarket dust covers since I never cared much for them, but I haven't seen one like this before.

Justin Hell · April 21, 2018, 02:53:14 PM

Another welcome jpeppers!

That is one nifty gun. I would really like to see that mount in more detail.
I dig that it is full length and can have a proper bayonet eventually.

It's kind of surprising the crickets being the only response...over....there.

running-man · April 21, 2018, 11:48:29 PM

Hey jpeppers, is the stock number matched to the gun? What about components. Do they match the receiver S/N exactly or did they drop the 08?

jpeppers · April 22, 2018, 03:26:02 AM

The stock is unnumbered. The bolt carrier, bolt, and the trigger assembly all have the full five digit serial number.

Attached are a few pics of the receiver cover/mount. Like I said, I never cared for these, but I never saw one like this. All the ones that use screws to further secure the mount that I've seen were the Leapers mounts. It is stamped "POLY TECH CHINA" on the left side.

carls sks · April 22, 2018, 09:27:59 AM

hi JP and welcome. good to have you here. nice, thanks for sharing.

Power Surge · April 22, 2018, 12:52:12 PM

As I'm sure you've gathered, it's a Polytech made SKS scope mount. They are quite uncommon. I haven't seen one in years.

I would speculate that was probably added when the rifle was new. However we don't even know when that was, lol.

jpeppers · April 23, 2018, 03:11:58 AM

Yeah, as rare as it may be I still would have preferred that the rifle came with the original cover. At least the screws don't seem to have been tightened much so the receiver doesn't have those circular wear marks.

Also, it looks like when it rains it pours. I'm not sure about the etiquette here about posting ongoing auctions, but there is an ongoing auction on GB for what looks like an identically marked rifle.

running-man · April 23, 2018, 11:12:41 AM

Post away, we have an auctions section precisely for those.

The boards that have unwritten rules about posting an ongoing auction make me go

. You punish a member for breaking a rule that isn't explicitly written down?? How does that work?

I can't help but think of my gut feeling about these being Canuck guns. The lack of the very important portion of <importer + importer city, state abbreviation> really bothers me. Unless it was a CAI gun with an etched receiver cover, but even those have the "Norinco, caliber, China" info in the cover, so why would it be redundantly put on the receiver too?. Just a real head scratcher. It's neat to see something new like this though.

Loose}{Cannon · April 23, 2018, 12:22:53 PM

QuoteI can't help but think of my gut feeling about these being Canuck guns.

Yeah, the thing about these is you wont have a pinned 5 round factory mag to set off a red flag.

padams8888 · April 23, 2018, 02:16:21 PM

This one appears to be related maybe??? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/764816409. Sorry about posting it here...but it would lose the context if i put it in the auction section.

running-man · April 23, 2018, 03:40:12 PM

Yeah, Looks like the exact identical import stamp. There are apparently 9938 of them around. I'm shocked that they haven't turned up 'til now....

jpeppers · April 23, 2018, 08:26:13 PM

Yup, that's the one I mentioned. The markings are identical except on mine the serial number on the receiver is almost entirely covered up by the stock.

I doubt it means anything, but mine has similar wear in front of the magazine well on the stock. That seller mentions that he bought it from an acquaintance that did not shoot it much, so it seems strange that the stock would be that worn.

Power Surge · April 23, 2018, 11:01:22 PM

I've cataloged both these rifles into the Commercial database, in the Canadian D folder. Maybe we will see more pop that can shed some more light into them.

Justin Hell · April 27, 2018, 01:39:12 PM

How well does that PolyTech mount fit? It looks like the tangs have been ground off completely.

I don't recall seeing that one on the XXXSKS list of yore. It appears to be made by adhering a plate and rail over what likely was an original cover.

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