Russian SKS Spike Bayonet

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[Greasemonkey]

No sense of adventure Mr. Mount a machine gun barrel on an SKS


Can you clean them with that software  Get the gunk off?

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Again....  I never stated you cant rig it to work.    I just do not believe the 49 unit is made from leftover 44 units, and/or that they retrofitted the same spike. 

Common sense right!!   OK,  Why take thousands of pre-made spikes for the 44 and do a bunch of milling to every single one of them (wouldn't end up with what the 49 shows to have anyhow), rather then just make the collar on this newly created sks thingy to accept the 44 spike? 

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Can you clean them with that software  Get the gunk off?

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Speaking of calipers...   I managed to pick up a new digi set for just $25 that are in all respects just as good if not better then a set of $150 Mitutoyos.   

Big screen for old eyes and a super common $2 battery too!

[Greasemonkey]

digital... Geeze.. Mine is old school.....dial calipers. Analog guy in a digital world

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digital... Geeze.. Mine is old school.....dial calipers. Analog guy in a digital world

Yeah, I have a few

[Greasemonkey]

Again....  I never stated you cant rig it to work.    I just do not believe the 49 unit is made from leftover 44 units, and/or that they retrofitted the same spike. 

Common sense right!!   OK,  Why take thousands of pre-made spikes for the 44 and do a bunch of milling to every single one of them (wouldn't end up with what the 49 shows to have anyhow), rather then just make the collar on this newly created sks thingy to accept the 44 spike? 

Russia wastes nothing.. especially post war.. They converted M91s to M91/30s, converted M91/30s to M91/59s, even still use the x54r round to this day, they are still using binoculars from the 50's. Lets play "what if"     What if Russia had a bunch of M44 bayonets, not quite finished, they developed some new rifle and Stalin says it needs a poker on it...NOW!!  So take these left overs and whip up a mount and make bayonets out of left over goods. 

Ok here is the bayonet shank lengths on both..

On the Russian M44....if I had 4 hands, I could show the measuring.. I even dug out the digital so it was readable, after stealing batteries out of something, and yes, it was calibrated prior to use.



Here is shank length on the Chinese SKS.. same tool, measured the same way... hummm, just .060 difference. maybe figure .005+/- 



Another view... shank to shank, end of one shank on the shoulder of the other bayonet...that gap is roughly .060...

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----------------------->>>>>    China t53

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----------------------->>>>>    China t53

Want me to get one out see what its like 

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----------------------->>>>>    China t53

Want me to get one out see what its like 

Of course.....    Im still trying to figure out why the comparison to a chinaman.   

[Greasemonkey]

I don't want to pop anymore stake marks  .. but... a I pulled a Type 53 and found there is a visible difference right off between an M44.. I made sure both locks were seated... and China started the blood groove farther away from the collar, the space there is larger. Which makes me wonder.... is this is what could be mounted on the SKS in the photo you posted..

Same M44 with a /26 Type 53

[pcke2000]

Gentlemen, thank you very much for the discussion and I have definitely learned a lot from you guys. I really appreciate it.

The reason why I asked if Russian started using the blade bayonet on SKS's in 1949 or 1950 is because I found something interesting in my recently bought the original Russian edition of D.N. Bolotin's 'Fifty Years of Soviet Small Arms (A catalog)'.

1. 7.62mm SKS-45, made in 1949, passed firing test between 1949 and 1950. Received from a small arms test firing ground in 1960. Standard model.

2. 7.62mm SKS-45, S/N: УП 314, made in 1949, inventory number 9/174, passed firing test between 1949 and 1950. Received from a small arms test firing ground in 1960. Special feature: 4-edged bayonet.

If you look at the difference between Samples #1 and #2, you'll understand why I asked the question.

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Not a whole lot to go on in my opinion...

7.62mm SKS-45, S/Ns: PO 1946, PO 2570, and НЮ 1668, made in 1949, inventory numbers 9/172, 9/169, 9/261, passed firing test between 1949 and 1950

This would tell me one of those three guns was a 1950. 

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I would be more interested is #s 1-5

[running-man]

I've seen several of these lists from I assume Bolotin (not sure which published work it's from but they read almost identical to these) on the .ru net.  The thing that always struck me was whether the guns were being dated from written records (like yugo logbooks for example) or did they come from a simple check of the receiver cover like today's typical gunbroker listing. Surely by '60 certain early issued guns like these would have needed refurbishment and covers & other features could easily have been swapped out by then.  I guess I wonder how certain the museum was of what they had.  I'd think they had to have written records?

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Never been a fan of 'books' as they usually have an interpretation of just one persons aspect, overall view etc. Not to mention you hardly ever get references to their source material, yet alone the material itself. Its not like a book has to be fact checked by a reputable agency for publishing approval. Books are filled with lies, misinformation, half-truths, and propaganda etc.  I do have to ask myself in this particular circumstance....  Why would the Kremlin give/allow one of its subjects to publish information during the height of the cold war that may reveal state secrets of any type to people smart enough to pound the contents. Or, was this guy not subject to the Kremlin and was conducting espionage gathering information from the plagues and rifles through the museum glass and what the tour guide stated? 

I just have waaaaay too many scenarios dancing around on things of this nature.  Believe half of what your hear, and none of what you see.         

[monaderio]

I successfully converted a M44 Mosin-Nagant bayonet to an early SKS four-groove bayonet.