#078 Yugo long barrel (PICS)

[Loose}{Cannon]

Duh, I never noticed that. Is this just common on these long bbls ?

I have only seen it on the LBs...

The cover ahould be forged and then milled. 

[SKhiSm 59-66A1]

Yeah man...  Great rifle.   

Am I the only one to notice the strange circular pattern on the back side of these LB covers?

No you're not..concentric circles. I noticed a stamp on this one, T, I've not seen before. I saw 1 or 2 stamps on other LB's that didn't look too familiar as well. Very nice rifle wacman 

[wacman85]

Yeah man...  Great rifle.   

Am I the only one to notice the strange circular pattern on the back side of these LB covers?

No you're not..concentric circles. I noticed a stamp on this one, T, I've not seen before. I saw 1 or 2 stamps on other LB's that didn't look too familiar as well. Very nice rifle wacman 

thanks feel lucky to have it and it ain't going no where while i'm around. all 3 of these as wells the others will go to family with instructions when i'm gone.

[Phosphorus32]

Yeah man...  Great rifle.   

Am I the only one to notice the strange circular pattern on the back side of these LB covers?

No you're not..concentric circles. I noticed a stamp on this one, T, I've not seen before. I saw 1 or 2 stamps on other LB's that didn't look too familiar as well. Very nice rifle wacman 

The concentric circle marking on the receiver cover is present on mine, but less pronounced.

Bogdanovic's book on the Serbian Mausers shows a simple T mark as a "single proof" for "finished and joined barrels". My LB has that mark in the same location.

[wacman85]

thanks for the information about the "T" stamp. i do notice the Yugoslavian's make their parts very smooth. not a lot of machine marks on the exterior anyway. i just purchased a m48 mauser bayonet that hadn't even had the bayonet taken out of the scabbard, no marks on blade, till i got playing around with it. it's like the thing was made s/n stamped and put away. blade is very shape and the sides are as smooth as glass. leather is like new and the scabbard hadn't been installed in it through the hole till i did it. no marks on the bayonet, scabbard or leather but for the green corrosion around the brass rivets and brass stud for leather latching strap. now i need to find the right m48 mauser to go with it. no hurry still have a couple m39 finn's wanting to get first.

[Phosphorus32]

...the green corrosion around the brass...

verdigris if you want to get fancy, or copper carbonate if you want to communicate with a chemist (aka, geek like me) 

I do agree the Yugoslavians are no slouches when it comes to weapons manufacturing.

I really like the M39s  but I'm happy with the three I have (for now)

[SKhiSm 59-66A1]

Bogdanovic's book on the Serbian Mausers shows a simple T mark as a "single proof" for "finished and joined barrels". My LB has that mark in the same location.

One more thing to confirm for me I shoulda already bought that book. From what I gather he's forgotten more about Yugo arms than most of us will ever know.

[running-man]

Still readily available Danny.  Though you could almost buy a M48 for what the book itself costs nowadays!! 

http://www.amazon.com/Serbian-Yugoslav-Mauser-Rifles-Bogdanovic/dp/1882391357

[Phosphorus32]

Still readily available Danny.  Though you could almost buy a M48 for what the book itself costs nowadays!! 

Serbian and Yugoslav Mauser Rifles: Branko Bogdanovic: 9781882391356: Amazon.com: Books

What the heck?!   

[Greasemonkey]

Still readily available Danny.  Though you could almost buy a M48 for what the book itself costs nowadays!! 

http://www.amazon.com/Serbian-Yugoslav-Mauser-Rifles-Bogdanovic/dp/1882391357

Ya cant shoot a book

[Phosphorus32]

Still readily available Danny.  Though you could almost buy a M48 for what the book itself costs nowadays!! 

http://www.amazon.com/Serbian-Yugoslav-Mauser-Rifles-Bogdanovic/dp/1882391357

Ya cant shoot a book

Well, ya can if ya wanna but itsa lil hard ta read it afta ya do     

[wacman85]

...the green corrosion around the brass...

verdigris if you want to get fancy, or copper carbonate if you want to communicate with a chemist (aka, geek like me) 

I do agree the Yugoslavians are no slouches when it comes to weapons manufacturing.

I really like the M39s  but I'm happy with the three I have (for now)

i hear ya. i just got hooked after the first m39 and then lucked out got 2 m39 Tikka's 1940 w/hang tag & 1943 that oh boy said 100 fired, so I can shoot that one. late date 1968 both hang tags, 1970, "PL" w/straight stock +5 others. didn't look hard for them just ran onto them and you know how it is hard to say no.

got a no-name no-date m39 on the line now so you know i have to get it  . much like these Yugo m59's, didn't even have the money for them but after getting the first m59 from Dan's the other came my way there you go.  .

but back to Yugo sks. 2 questions. what is there if any between the "B" and "C" series? and the unissued m59 Yugo sks, what they said, that Wideners had for sale. weren't they just striped down m59/66's? i know they had m59 stamped on them but they had the ring for the grenade launcher to bump up against still on them and the lever on the gas tube. i'm in another discussion on different board, person said no difference in "B" and "C" and i told him no difference in what he calls commercial m59 and m59/66. this not a bickering discussion we're having it's for me mainly to learn if there is a different in the 2 sets of rifles. thanks 

[Phosphorus32]

The B and C series M59s are the same as far as I can tell. I haven't been over them with a micrometer but visibly they're identical. 

I wasn't around for the Aim "Commercial M59" but they just look like a modified and refurbished for export M59/66 "variant" as you point out. Appeals to some but I wouldn't seek one out myself.  Different strokes for different folks. You can often Google Aims old offerings, even though you can't find them on their website anymore.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=f3yugosks

[Loose}{Cannon]

Pretty much what Phis said... I already staed my opinion in that thread.  There are Russians marked chinese and that dont make them chinese. A commercial bubba that started out as a 59/66 is still a 59/66 and therfore does not have a 'long barrel'.  Thats just stoooopid.

[Greasemonkey]

Having both a "B" and a "C" block  There is no difference, save for the letter suffix, and lower numbers

It's kinda like owning a M48, M48A, M48B, just if the stamped vs machined external stuff excites one, thats the only difference between them, throw in the M48BO, you still get stamped goodies, minus the crest. An M48? and a M24/47 you got it covered, but I still have a M48A, M48B and a M48BO with a M24/47.

Like M39's you got VKT, Sako so on, it's still an M39 and so forth, you can even go straight stock..

[wacman85]

i got ya on the "B" and "C" series bring same other then letter stamp. just to me and it's just me i think the rebuilt m59 with the new barrel that Aim sold and i think Wideners had the same ones but called them unissued are m59/66's. who ever, arsenal i guess, removed the GL because the stop ring is still there and the lever to close off gas to the piston.

i think who ever stamped them did so with the M59 stamp just so they would sell faster. but thanks guys for all the help and your take on things. i got enough info to put a case closed on this.

but now knowing "B" ain't any more then a "C" i already had wish i would have spent the money on the m39 no-name no-date. but my friend is still going to hold it for me. so i'll just have both.

you're right about the m39's basically all being the same save for the little differences. the main thing about the  some of the m39's is they bring big bucks, especially now with all the attention Classic brought to them with their selling all theirs.

had a m39 'PL" s/n matching down to the stock i sold on Gunbroker for $974 after giving $650 for it. still have another "PL" and like others only need one. other m39's sold for $995 and $1350. funny part was i had the "PL" for sale over a month on Gunboards and no takers, only wanted what i had in it. glad no one bought cause only rifle i sold and made any money on.

thanks guys for the good talk.

[SKhiSm 59-66A1]

i got ya on the "B" and "C" series bring same other then letter stamp. just to me and it's just me i think the rebuilt m59 with the new barrel that Aim sold and i think Wideners had the same ones but called them unissued are m59/66's. who ever, arsenal i guess, removed the GL because the stop ring is still there and the lever to close off gas to the piston.

i think who ever stamped them did so with the M59 stamp just so they would sell faster. but thanks guys for all the help and your take on things. i got enough info to put a case closed on this.

There was a big dust-up over all that and as near as I could ever tell most of the anger was directed at Wideners over the way they were advertised, which I never saw. I had also never seen AIM's until now and it looks to me like there's nothing wrong with how they represented them. They were done in Bosnia and also stamped G10 iirc, never seemed to me like they would be easily taken to be anything other than a modified 59/66, but man oh man ppl sure were mad and it largely ruined most ppl's perception of them.

I was never much of a fan of them and likely will never go looking for one, but now knowing they were built with new barrels if the price was right I might take one just to shoot the hell out of it. But to me there's little to none collector value in one of them.

[wacman85]

i got ya on the "B" and "C" series bring same other then letter stamp. just to me and it's just me i think the rebuilt m59 with the new barrel that Aim sold and i think Wideners had the same ones but called them unissued are m59/66's. who ever, arsenal i guess, removed the GL because the stop ring is still there and the lever to close off gas to the piston.

i think who ever stamped them did so with the M59 stamp just so they would sell faster. but thanks guys for all the help and your take on things. i got enough info to put a case closed on this.

There was a big dust-up over all that and as near as I could ever tell most of the anger was directed at Wideners over the way they were advertised, which I never saw. I had also never seen AIM's until now and it looks to me like there's nothing wrong with how they represented them. They were done in Bosnia and also stamped G10 iirc, never seemed to me like they would be easily taken to be anything other than a modified 59/66, but man oh man ppl sure were mad and it largely ruined most ppl's perception of them.

I was never much of a fan of them and likely will never go looking for one, but now knowing they were built with new barrels if the price was right I might take one just to shoot the hell out of it. But to me there's little to none collector value in one of them.

my feelings to a "T".  if people want to get upset over calling something what it is, well can't do much about that now can we. what ican't figure out is if the arsenal wanted to cal them m59's and stamp as such after putting new barrels on them why leave the GL stop ring and the lever to by-pass the gas rod, if their the one that stamped them m59's. and if it was the importer that stamped them m59's well not hard to understand why they did that, for me anyway. i never did like the m59/66 either. but was only want to collect the older early m59's anyway. i have those 3 so done with what m59 i need.

now it's back to finn m39's and wanting a nice Yugo m48 mauser, just the one cause i already got the bayonet so have to get a rifle to go with it  right?

have a russian refurb (letter) rifle w/star stamp but would like to up-graded that one some day with as-issued or if i got lucky an unissued one. this is another one i can wait till the right one comes along. maybe a member will have a nice one their looking to part with. who knows.

main rifle i after right now is the finn m39 no-name no-date a friend has who's giving me time to get cash to pay for it.

[running-man]

I think SKhiSm hit the nail on the head for the most part with this one. 

Take a look at the two ads:

Aim's:


Widener's:


There was a bit too much stretching of the truth on Widener's part (even if it was 100% innocent) for people to just brush aside.  The "new" and "unissued" terms got people in a real tizzy, the 'Type M59' just added fuel to the already burning fire even though it's mostly, somewhat, technically true. 

It's a real shame though, these guns were *really* nice.  I think they got a very undeserved bad rep.  They should be treated just like any other 'commercial' import IMHO.  Maybe not given a premium for what they are, but certainly given a premium for the above average condition they may still be in (click images for larger photos):


The import stamp is PW Arms (funny that, those PW guys must have it in good with the former Yugo arms dealers!) and they came with a build book that clearly establishes the 2010 date in them:

[Greasemonkey]

I often think it was more they were advertised as M59s, that’s what I think caused the uproar, it's not, the appearance is a dead give away. Also it reflects, maybe people didn't research or know what an M59 looked like or even was, those are the butt hurt ones.  I think if they were advertised in the beginning as "Rebuilt" M59/66s they coulda pulled it off and sailed off into history. The "new" and "unissued" terms, could have been technically true, they possibly were not used between rebuild and import. I don't know how I consider them, it's kind of a hybrid, a rebuilt hybrid, call it a M59/G10.

We also don't know the circumstances of why they were made as such, like who or what detained the installation of the grenade spigot, and why they machined away most of the front sight leaving only the ring.  Maybe it was an internal manufacturing decision or something/someone/policy/law in Bosnia it's self that made that alteration necessary. Because Serbia exports the M59/66 with the spigot. Maybe given it was rebuilt surplus, modern rebuilds are not allowed the spigot.