GB listings for September, 2015 - Russian

[running-man]

A paltry 32 Russians this month, $285.00 low, $905.00 high, $553.22 avg.

Please let me know any feedback (good or bad) to these.

-RM


Item Link   Description   # Bids   Final Price   Year   Arsenal   Arsenal Condition   Current Condition   S/N   RM's Notes

503905644   Russian SKS, 7.62x39, 1953 R   1   $550.00    1953   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   ФB792   Light refurb ex-ex-ddr.

503967233   1950 Russian SKS w/ orig. spring loaded firing pin   1   $500.00    1950   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   ШA1049   Pretty nice looking stock on this one.  Light refurb, but nice metal.

504081702   Russian SKS M1953 No Reserve   9   $441.00    Uncertain   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   BO3108   Horsetrash auction!  Seller gives enough to tease, but not to positively ID this one.  Tula star indicates a 56-58 gun, receiver cover sporting a '53 date is likely a scrubbed replacement.  No idea what the suffix is, so no idea what the year actually is.

504340401   Russian SKS 7.62x39mm Tula Rifle Excellent bore   5   $602.00    1954   Tula   As-Issued   Good   AB8945   Someone got a fine deal on this As-Issued '54 Tula.  Nice looker at a really good price.

504385538   1953 Russian SKS in Unissued Condition   8   $885.00    1953   Tula   As-Issued   Good   BГ2906   This gun is not "unissued".  Having said that, it's a darn nice gun.  Photos could have been a bit better though.

504754568   Russian SKS 7.62x39 ,20 inch barrel   1   $495.00    1956   Tula   Heavy Refurbished   Good   HБ6352_Д   Decent shooter at a very good price.

504762748   Russian SKS 7.62x39 w/ lots of extras   1   $540.00    Uncertain   Uncertain   Bubba   Good   Uncertain   Bubba sure had his way with this one.  What a shame.

504897663   Russian SKS "1951" Receiver Date In As New!   1   $599.00    1951   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   MH970   Decent enough gun, but I don't like the price.

504991947   RUSSIAN SKS-45 CARBINE 7.62x39 TULA 1954 SIMONOV   1   $535.00    1954   Tula   Light Refurbished   Very Good   BИ2046   Interesting little gun.  Not a super presentation, but it shows enough of the gun I guess. 

505118930   Russian SKS-45 7.62x39 Item-S45   12   $285.00    Uncertain   Uncertain   Bubba   Fair   Uncertain   I guess it's a Russian.  You really can't tell with all the tacticool mods.

505137398   French SKS 7.62x39   2   $380.00    1957   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   AH3770_И   Heh, Vive la France!!  Aside from this being a '57 Tula instead of a French gun, it's not too bad a looker.  Stock repair up front is neat as well as the extra reinforcing pin for the bayo groove.

505426398   Russian SKS 7.62mmx39mm Made in 1954 as New   1   $569.95    1954   Tula   Heavy Refurbished   Good   ЛA2296   Not a huge fan of this one either.

505799603   Russian SKS Tula Rifle Matching 1953   9   $531.00    1953   Tula   Heavy Refurbished   Good   OЛ1806   Not the biggest fan of this gun or the sloppy looking S/N area around the receiver, but it's probably the avg. going rate for a common refurb Tula.

505992576   Russian SKS 1954 unfired with box   4   $680.00    1954   Tula   Heavy Refurbished   Good   ЛП6850   Not my favorite gun and a bit high priced.

505995103   All-Matching 1951 Russian Tula SKS No Force-Match   2   $700.00    1951   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   HЛ2234   I almost listed this one "As-Issued', but look closely at the stock.  Obvious sanding of the old S/N and the date is mismatched with the receiver cover.  Receiver, gas block and other features are consistent with this one being a '51.  Looks like the black bayo = refurb hypothesis still has some life in it.

506002919   SKS, Russian 7.62x39 Rifle   1   $400.00    Uncertain   Uncertain   Bubba   Good   Uncertain   Horsetrash auction and a bubba to boot.  That's twice as painful as a root canal.

506167075   RUSSIAN SKS 7.62 X 39 Like NEW   7   $466.00    1954   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   Uncertain   Not great listing photos.  Meh, not much to say.

506407321   Russian Tula SKS 1950r Numbers Matching 7.62x39   6   $445.00    1950   Tula   Heavy Refurbished   Good   УГ1046   Decent gun but nothing special.

506594881   SKS SKS-45 Russia Russian Soviet Simonov UNFIRED? Tula Matching "Type 56" 1951 NO REFURB STAMPS!   14   $657.95    1951   Tula   Light Refurbished   Fair   BC3062   Kind of an ugly stock on this gun. Black bayo looks sharp.

506806555   NHM Russian SKS 7.62x39 20.5" S.Auto Rifle Match VERY GOOD CONDITION! INCLUDES: Case & Kit   9   $385.00    Uncertain   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   Uncertain   Not much to say on this one.  Photos are terrible quality.  Way too small and not showing the important areas like the top of the receiver cover.  C'mon man.

506915217   Russian 1951 Tula Arsenal SKS Rifle, Penny Start! All Matching, 7.62X39mm, Simonov, w/ Bayonet, NR   24   $455.00    1951   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   KH1698   Neat 1962 refurb stamp on the receiver of this one.  Unfortunately it was stamped right over by the rocket scientists at NHM…

507215356   1950 Russian SKS 7.62x39 Type 56 TULA   1   $495.00    1950   Tula   Heavy Refurbished   Good   ЛЮ796   Pretty decent looking Russian here.  Correct 1950 features, this would be a nice shooter.

507734833   Russian SKS 7.62x39 1952 Tula Matching Very Good   1   $550.00    1952   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   MИ1685   Nice replacement laminate stock on this gun makes it pop a bit.

508044504   Russian sks 7.62 x 39 Excellent Condition Russian Tula sks 7.62 x 39   1   $449.00    1950   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   ПШ1691   I think this is about as much work as you can do on a gun and still have it be 'Light Refurbished'

508309020   Russian SKS 1952 7.62x39 1952r numbers matching   16   $656.03    1952   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   ГH1849   I like the refinish of this stock.  Whether done in Russia or stateside, (I think Russia with the way the stamps valleys look) they absolutely nailed the color.

508628291   Russian 1951 Tula SKS Un-Refurbished In Box   1   $830.00    1951   Tula   As-Issued   Good   AB331   This one has gone through before.  It also didn't sell in a previous auction.  Lots of action on it.  Not may favorite as-issued specimen, but it looks legit to me.

508950255   Russian SKS 7.62 x 39mm semi-auto rifle NICE LOOK!   17   $456.00    Uncertain   Uncertain   Heavy Refurbished   Good   Uncertain   17 bids for this one?  Seriously?!

509038138   Unfired Russian SKS Tula 1954   4   $600.00    Uncertain   Tula   Heavy Refurbished   Good   OK5556   Horrible horrible presentation on this one.  Almost no useful info on this gun at all aside from the BBQ bolt carrier and the '50-'52 gas block.

509273613   1956 Russian SKS type 56 7.62x39 TULA   1   $750.00    1956   Tula   Light Refurbished   Good   HB1768_Д   Pretty nice Letter D.  I have doubts about the stock being original from the lack of Tula acceptance stamp, the missing crossbolt stamps, and the overly heavy shellac.  Still a nice gun.

509328678   Russian Tula SKS-45 Russian Tula SKS-45   11   $510.00    1951   Tula   As-Issued   Excellent   MA1156   This is one of those guns where it pays to be observant.  The auction itself is horsetrash.  Postage stamp photos are impossible to be definitive about anything on this one.  But taken together, the stock looks correct, the receiver cover looks correct, and the feature set looks correct for this one to be an as-issued '51 in absolutely excellent condition complete with the box and all accessories.  This one was a steal at this price and I honestly don't think the winning bidder had to make a leap of faith on this one at all.  Maybe the condition isn't what it seems, or it could be a very light refurb, but regardless the price is still worth it...

509629287   Russian KBI SKS in 7.62x39 20" 1954 C&R Eligible   23   $905.00    1954   Tula   Bubba   Very Good   BT1953   Someone reached on this one w/o doing all their homework.  I've *never* seen an SKS-45 look like this from *any* Russian arsenal or refurb shop.  This gun was stained and then clear coated here in the states.  They may have done minimal sanding, but that finish simply isn't original and it forever gone.  Despite the VG rating, this gun sold $400 too high IMO.

510198405   RUSSIAN SKS,7.62x39   1   $400.00    Uncertain   Uncertain   Heavy Refurbished   Good   Uncertain   Horsetrash, plain and simple.  Guy probably cost himself $200 by being lazy.

[jjjxlr8]

Thanks for taking the time to compile these lists!

[running-man]

No problem!  Please feel free to single any one of these guns out for some more detailed discussion. I go through 150 to 250 guns every cycle and I am just not able to see every nuance and neat feature on them. 

With so many to categorize I make my fair share of mistakes too. If there is a gun I rated in some way but you think it's perhaps something else, by all means speak up. You're not going to hurt my feelings and it will help everyone to learn.  That what this place is here for.   

[Phosphorus32]

Hmm, no IzhevSKS sold in September  The mysterious triangle arsenal SKSs are extra scarce this month 

[running-man]

Nope, the Izhevsks have pretty much dried up it seems.  Everyone is holding theirs waiting for the $3000 payday they are certain will come. 

Keeping things relative, there were only 3 Albanians and 2 Romys this month too, so the dropoff is across the board I think.

Here's what Russian sales from March look like:

March: 49 total, 2 Izhevsk
April: 38 total, 1 Izhevsk
May: 48 total, 1 Izhevsk
June: 28 total, 1 Izhevsk
July: 43 total, 1 Izhevsk
August: 42 total, 1 Izhevsk
September: 32 total, 0 Izhevsk.

It seems to be pretty steady in the 40's but twice now we've had a 10-20 gun deviation.  I wonder what drives that?

[Phosphorus32]

Nope, the Izhevsks have pretty much dried up it seems.  Everyone is holding theirs waiting for the $3000 payday they are certain will come. 

Keeping things relative, there were only 3 Albanians and 2 Romys this month too, so the dropoff is across the board I think.

Here's what Russian sales from March look like:

March: 49 total, 2 Izhevsk
April: 38 total, 1 Izhevsk
May: 48 total, 1 Izhevsk
June: 28 total, 1 Izhevsk
July: 43 total, 1 Izhevsk
August: 42 total, 1 Izhevsk
September: 32 total, 0 Izhevsk.

It seems to be pretty steady in the 40's but twice now we've had a 10-20 gun deviation.  I wonder what drives that?

Stochastic market behavior (we humans are very freakin' unpredictable as a group) 

[running-man]

It'll be interesting to see if the recent school shooting causes a spike.  I read that immediately after it happened, SG ammo website went down from too many hits.

[jjjxlr8]

Looking at what refurbs are bringing, I can't believe my original '54 Tula hasn't had any interest on the trader!?

[running-man]

We don't get 1000's of people here like the trader on gunboards or an auction at gunbroker does.     Maybe one day, but not today.  Your gun is a fine fine example and I can guarantee that if the recent Yugo onslaught of guns hadn't drained the pockets of many of our members, it would be long gone by now.

As much as I hate to tell you this, put it on the gunboards trader and you'll get much more action than you will here.  Set that gun on gunbroker at your $575 min bid and I bet it sells the first time around.  You could even take a chance and put it up for a $1 min bid, and it's liable to go north of $750. (of course it's also liable to go under $400 if you get a quirky cycle, that's just the way things go sometimes.)

[CARBINE]

We don't get 1000's of people here like the trader on gunboards or an auction at gunbroker does.     Maybe one day, but not today.  Your gun is a fine fine example and I can guarantee that if the recent Yugo onslaught of guns hadn't drained the pockets of many of our members, it would be long gone by now.

As much as I hate to tell you this, put it on the gunboards trader and you'll get much more action than you will here.  Set that gun on gunbroker at your $575 min bid and I bet it sells the first time around.  You could even take a chance and put it up for a $1 min bid, and it's liable to go north of $750. (of course it's also liable to go under $400 if you get a quirky cycle, that's just the way things go sometimes.)

Yeah if I didn't just drop cash on a new silverado 2500 I would be all on that.....I bet you put on Gunbroker with a penny start and BIN at $799 it would go for 600-700 or you might catch someone that will BIN.....good luck, take the leap I doubt you will disappointed.
Tony

[Greasemonkey]

Looking at what refurbs are bringing, I can't believe my original '54 Tula hasn't had any interest on the trader!?

Kinda shocked it's set this long, I think I saw it listed over on GunBoards, usually a Russian moves fairly quick there. I'm broke after two recent purchases, and after some thought, I ain't coming up off the Finns.

[pcke2000]

508628291 is not 'as-issued', it is obvious that some parts (mag, receiver cover, etc) were re-blued (not at a professional Russian arsenal) to cover surface rust.

[running-man]

In the absence of having the gun in one's hands, I felt that was the closest determination that truly fit.  I don't have a category for "extra" light refurb and I suspect that if I did, it would be ridiculously hard to try and quantify one gun vs. another.  Determinations of arsenal and current condition are really just my WAGs and everyone has a different opinion as to what the designator should be.  Could this gun legitmately be in the light refurb category?  Absolutely! 

As for a reblue over rust not done in a Russian arsenal...that would make that gun a bubba.     I don't think that's a determination that anyone can truly make, I don't care how good they are.  It would be very much in the company of 'unrefurbished', 'unfired', and 'unissued'.

[Loose}{Cannon]

All I see is some strange color spotting on the rear of the cover... No pitting.

[running-man]

It could be just about anything.  I don't think rust either, but who knows w/o having it in your hands (and even then I think it's pretty iffy). 

I will say this, the more I look at the gun, the more I think pcke is right about it not falling into the as-issued category, though I think light refurb is far more likely than a shadetree bubba reblue. 

Based on the guns I've entered into our survey, that gold bayo is totally wrong for an early style receiver gun even though the bayo collar and lug are the correct styles.  They could have coated & reblued the original bayo & collar I guess, or just swapped out the blade for an already coated one.  The stock cartouche also looks filled in with shellac in the valleys indicating a mild sand & refinish if nothing else.  Guns like this remind me how different collectors tastes and preferences are when it comes to certain things on certain guns.  I guess this one had just enough going for it for someone to hit that BIN at the $830 selling price.

If I had many hours over many days to look over each gun multiple times, I'd probably change my mind numerous times anyhow.  Thankfully, this isn't the case as I'd go crazy!

The October GB reports will be up in another week or so.