Bring backs...

[Power Surge]

So I've been seeing a lot of guns advertised as "bring backs" lately. I'm referring to non-paperwork guns, that usually have some kind of story behind them. Obviously being claimed as bring backs because of the lack of import stamp.

My question to everyone is - what's your thoughts on a non-papered "bring back", and do you value it any higher than the same gun with an import stamp? **

Personally, I don't see any allure to it. Whether it was used in battle, then came here via importer or via veteran, it's still the same gun. Doesn't matter much to me how it got here.

Now if it's a papered bring back, to me that has more value. Not the gun itself, but the fact that there is legit documentation attached with the gun.

**Please no debating the fact that a non-papered bring back is a stolen gun. We all know that.

[Loose}{Cannon]

I wouldn't expect a commercial guru such as yourself to see any allure in something like this.   

Many will tell you to buy the gun not the story... This holds true but does not deter from what they are.  For example, I have three such rifles and only payed a small premium on one of them..  the Iraqi.  The other two were $275 and $375 and this was under a year ago.  The facts are, there is only two ways they got here. Either by a vet (usually nam) or from Canada.  CA guns are much much less often seen in the wild and look like a US imported gun so its fairly easy to differentiate the two. Remember, back in the day CA did not have a 5 round limit and they do not import mark thier guns.

Another aspect of this topic that needs to see the light if day is the fact NOBODY I know of has ever seen a fake nor has anyone reported one that was "missed" by an impoter when the rifle was sold new in the US via distributors etc.  The reason for this is very very simple.  There is NO MONEY in it!   If someone wanted to fake/scrub the import mark from a gun and have it actually look correct and not fubared, it would take alot of work and/or money. Seeing these go for $250 to $500.... Where is the motivation??  It does not exist.  However I HAVE seen a few very questionable nva property marked (chinese) rifles.  The monetary motivation DOES exist with the star1 property marked guns because its a $1,000 temptation. Besides, all you need is a 161k to 165k ghost gun, scrub the 1 and add the star.  Instant $1000 markup.

[Power Surge]

I wouldn't expect a commercial guru such as yourself to see any allure in something like this.   

Many will tell you to buy the gun not the story... This holds true but does not deter from what they are.  For example, I have three such rifles and only payed a small premium on one of them..  the Iraqi.  The other two were $250 and $350 and this was under a year ago.  The facts are, there is only two ways they got here. Either by a vet (usually nam) or from Canada.  CA guns are much much less often seen in the wild and look like a US imported gun so its fairly easy to differentiate the two. Remember, back in the day CA did not have a 5 round limit and they do not import mark thier guns.

Another aspect of this topic that needs to see the light if day is the fact NOBODY I know of has ever seen a fake nor has anyone reported one that was "missed" by an impoter when the rifle was sold new in the US via distributors etc.  The reason for this is very very simple.  There is NO MONEY in it!   If someone wanted to fake/scrub the import mark from a gun and have it actually look correct and not fubared, it would take alot of work and/or money. Seeing these go for $250 to $500.... Where is the motivation??  It does not exist.  However I HAVE seen a few very questionable nva property marked (chinese) rifles.  The monetary motivation DOES exist with the star1 property marked guns because its a $1,000 temptation. Besides, all you need is a 161k to 165k ghost gun, scrub the 1 and add the star.  Instant $1000 markup.

Well, don't think I don't have an appreciation for the history....it's quite the opposite. Why to do you think I wanted that sneek so much? It's not pretty, or matching, but it shows signs of being connected to three different countries. I bought it because the possible history was special.

What prompted me to ask this, was a listing I saw for an 11 mil on one of the other auction sites. The seller claimed that the gun was "obtained" from a Cambodian depot in 1970 by a friend who was a vet there. He bought it off the friend in 1973, still packed in cosmo, and has had it since.

So I started thinking....well that's neat, but does it really matter? Without bring back papers, it's just a story that can't be proven. The gun still saw the same use from 66 to 70. Whether it was grabbed from the crate in 70 or sat in the crate till imported, there's nothing really different about the gun.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Regardless of any story....  It was there. Thats the whole point.    You dont have the story on your russian, so whats the difference except yours is import marked?

[Power Surge]

Regardless of any story....  It was there. Thats the whole point.    You dont have the story on your russian, so whats the difference except yours is import marked?

So then in your view, if there's no import stamp, you'd tend to believe the bring back story?

[Loose}{Cannon]

I would believe its a bringback but pay little to no attention to any story associated with it.   .    If it does not have signs of being a CA gun of coures.

[Loose}{Cannon]

So...  Its a bringback but you toss out his story and dont pay extra for it... Get the idea?

[Power Surge]

Gotcha... how do you tell a Canada gun?

[Loose}{Cannon]

They dont look like a rifle thats been used hard in the jungle leaded with surface rust, a swamp donkey stock, or smell like the ass end of a northbound wilder beast. 

[Loose}{Cannon]

Unless or course is an IC from CA....  These are worn, but worn differently.  Im pretty sure thats what my 11m is. 

[Power Surge]

Look what JUST popped up on GB...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=493025333

[Loose}{Cannon]

Cool...  Over priced, but cool. 

P.S..  GM will be along shortly to tell you his wife punched it out on her sewing machine.  Don't believe him. 

[Phosphorus32]

That is cool. Here's a bringback that fetched an even higher price last year   

Chinese made SKS semi-automatic rifle, serial number 7055469 with Chinese Arsenal markings and sto

[Loose}{Cannon]

No papers.   

Bob Hope huh....   Gives me an idea.   

[Power Surge]

Here's an NVA bring back that just posted.....are these things really worth that much?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=493073202

[Loose}{Cannon]

Lol..  Thats a North Korean.   Its worth that if its in better shape.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Ohhhh....  all those sks rifles imported pre 68.   

Importer gorilla might miss a stamp, it was pre '68 import, Johnny ignorant bubba removed it, so many variables to effect and question when commanding the regal title of "bringback". 

Me thinks you no read me post. 

[Loose}{Cannon]

No story, no premium  $275





No story, no premium  $375

[Loose}{Cannon]

How did I know you were going to post a luger in the sks section.   

I dont think anyone challenged the fact that papers add value.   

, what kind of proof is there to say a Century Arms gorilla forgot to stamp it

Me thinks you no read me post.   .     

[Loose}{Cannon]

Here's an NVA bring back that just posted.....are these things really worth that much?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=493073202

Man...  This one is worse then I thought.  Broken stock and the bolt is mismatched.