More on Arsenal Stamps DB, DP + Single Chinese character + serial number

[running-man]

I'm having a hard time with this one Jon.

Google translate is no help, can't even get close to the Chinese character with which to start my search.  I'm not finding much in the NE quadrant of the country that even looks close.  How much of the stamp above the left side do you think is missing?

Closest I'm finding are Xinzhou 忻州市 or perhaps Tangshan 唐山市 but it's not even close.  I'll need to try again when I have a fresh set of eyes to look.

[Loose}{Cannon]

I sent the op a pm.

[Phosphorus32]

After more data is compiled, We'll have a better lock on numbers of these so.... while I may have started to snub my nose at mismatched....A DB would stand a better chance    $300 doesn't sound to bad to me, heck, wheel 'em and deal 'em and see what happens 

Thanks for your enabling...I mean opinion AH 

I sent the op a pm.

Cool, hopefully jliu will chime in

[running-man]

To add a bit more to the mix, here are two unknown DB's I have with similar S/Ns (and maybe city stampings, but honestly, I can't tell, that's why they are in the unknown section in my files!  )

#1) 2217X, same importer as P32's find, same gas block at P32's as well:





#2 2844X, I honestly can't tell whether the city code on this one is the same or totally different than P32's find.  Maybe I'll try mixing the missing parts of P32's with the missing parts of this one to see if that brings up a Chinese character that is identifiable:

[Justin Hell]

Davidson's seems to have been the importer on a lot of these roughly machined guns...that 0226 project of mine was from Davidson's. It exhibits many of the same DB/DP attributes, I just wish I had more of the original parts to compare. First real project SKS in Projects - Page 1 of 2

Another thing I have been considering, since many of these seem to have fairly consistent lackluster machining, Made with a variety of lower grade components.... Could it be that 0226 made them all, and these city stamps could just be identifiers for police/security forces/militias in these particular locations?  Later Security Forces guns were specifically marked for their purpose, possibly it was just done differently earlier on...and at a far less stringent factory with regard to quality control. 

If this were the case, that further throws the meaning of DB/DP into question. I don't get the use of Roman lettering while at the same time still using Chinese. (usually)  The 'Destination (insert nation here)' thing doesn't sit well with me.  Why would an English abbreviation be stamped before Chinese characters? Lets also consider it very unlikely that anyone in Pakistan would be speaking English, and although English is a secondary language in Bangladesh...since one doesn't make sense at all, it seems likely that the other wouldn't be consistent with that train of thought either.

It seems more likely that it was either another instance of a factory using more than one code for the same location, or two factories using four different codes.  If they were indeed foreign aid guns, why didn't they go there?  Why would so many different factories be utilized for such a purpose?

Let it be known that I am grasping at straws here, and these ideas are pure speculation, lest we end up with more widespread wrong information...I bet Destination Bangladesh and Destination Pakistan was someones wild guess, and the internet just ran with it....and look at us now. 

[Loose}{Cannon]

I like all the observations and brainstorming....   You guys are the shiznit. 

[pcke2000]

Awesome Hippie! 

Based on what we've collected so far, I'd suspect it's most likely to be a 长 (Changchun):
 

You are absolutely right!

[pcke2000]

I haven't seen this set of characters before. Total mixmaster spotted at my LGS.

It's a DB旅: 旅順 (Lushun City)

[pcke2000]

To add a bit more to the mix, here are two unknown DB's I have with similar S/Ns (and maybe city stampings, but honestly, I can't tell, that's why they are in the unknown section in my files!  )

#1) 2217X, same importer as P32's find, same gas block at P32's as well:





#2 2844X, I honestly can't tell whether the city code on this one is the same or totally different than P32's find.  Maybe I'll try mixing the missing parts of P32's with the missing parts of this one to see if that brings up a Chinese character that is identifiable:

The Chinese character on these two is the same: 旅: 旅順 (Lushun City)

[Loose}{Cannon]

Think your right...  Good eye

[Phosphorus32]

The Chinese character on these two is the same: 旅: 旅順 (Lushun City)

Thanks 

[pcke2000]

Think your right...  Good eye

I am certain I am right, lol

[running-man]

It could be. I'm having a hard time reconciling P32's stamp to that 2844x gun I posted.  The characters have stark differences, if they are the same they are certainly different stamps.  I'll pull my known Lushun stamps to post tomorrow and we can compare multiple stamps (I'll crop them) side by side by side. 

[pcke2000]

It could be. I'm having a hard time reconciling P32's stamp to that 2844x gun I posted.  The characters have stark differences, if they are the same they are certainly different stamps.  I'll pull my known Lushun stamps to post tomorrow and we can compare multiple stamps (I'll crop them) side by side by side. 

you can trust my Chinese reading. They were made with different stamps, but the characters are the same

[Greasemonkey]

Another thing I have been considering, since many of these seem to have fairly consistent lackluster machining, Made with a variety of lower grade components.... Could it be that 0226 made them all, and these city stamps could just be identifiers for police/security forces/militias in these particular locations?  Later Security Forces guns were specifically marked for their purpose, possibly it was just done differently earlier on...and at a far less stringent factory with regard to quality control. 

If this were the case, that further throws the meaning of DB/DP into question. I don't get the use of Roman lettering while at the same time still using Chinese. (usually)  The 'Destination (insert nation here)' thing doesn't sit well with me.  Why would an English abbreviation be stamped before Chinese characters? Lets also consider it very unlikely that anyone in Pakistan would be speaking English, and although English is a secondary language in Bangladesh...since one doesn't make sense at all, it seems likely that the other wouldn't be consistent with that train of thought either.

It seems more likely that it was either another instance of a factory using more than one code for the same location, or two factories using four different codes.  If they were indeed foreign aid guns, why didn't they go there?  Why would so many different factories be utilized for such a purpose?

Let it be known that I am grasping at straws here, and these ideas are pure speculation, lest we end up with more widespread wrong information...I bet Destination Bangladesh and Destination Pakistan was someones wild guess, and the internet just ran with it....and look at us now. 

Or  ,  well lets just play "what if"
Let's grasp, only way out there....
So they had Public Security marked rifles, what else along with military show of force and policing of the general population is important to China or a nation period....the monetary system and natural resources,  maybe it's DB---Department of Banking, I'm sure they had many financial institutions, with state owned funds, gold, U.S. i.o.u.'s and debt bonds , other valuables, and DP, Department of Petroleum, oil is pure liquid gold, ask the Arabs. Gold needs protection, as I'm sure their early petroleum industry did. 

See I can grasp too.     

[Loose}{Cannon]

You need professional help.

[Greasemonkey]

You need professional help.

Whatchu talkin bout Willis?


Naw, but after this, I might say your right
DP...the DipPoop division,  DB....the DingBat division.. 

Gotta throw a curve ball and throw ya'll off once and a while, ya'll get way too serious sometimes, specially that RM guy 

[running-man]

That RM guy is a jackwagon! 


Now where was I?

Oh yeah, Lushun stamps!

Here are stamps of guns I have in my 'known' folder:

0131XX:
旅

00460X:
旅

00760X:
旅

01159X:
旅

01499X:
旅

01846X:
旅

02028X:
旅

7210518X:
旅

7210855X:
旅

7211076X: (DB/[0221] gun)
旅

Unknown #1, 2208X, Jon's Gun from above:
旅

Unknown #2, 01265X
旅

Unknown #3, 2844X
旅


Now that I have them all up side by side, I can see all of them being Lushun, with Unknown #2 being possibly the farthest outlier.  Definitely different stamps for some of the unknowns though.

What do you think?

[pcke2000]

these are all the same Chinese character.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Yup...

But what I wanna know is...  Why do the actual stamps have a line going through the n or shape in the lower right corner that is not present on the typed version?