More on Arsenal Stamps DB, DP + Single Chinese character + serial number

[Boris Badinov]

I think the DP/DB guns are all spike bayos, no?

But the stocks in the 2nd photo are very similar in color to the 2 DP guns I've seen in person.

[Phosphorus32]

Yes, all DBs and DPs are spike bayonet SKSs. The issue is not with whether or not Pakistan and/or Bangladesh has SKSs, they clearly did and these pics are great 

The issue is the long-standing assertion that DB and DP mean Destination Bangladesh and Destination Pakistan, respectively, and that these particular SKSs were produced for those countries, and marked as such, with English abbreviations.

[Boris Badinov]

I've doubted the Paki/Bengal connection pretty much since I first read about it- can't remember where., though. Essentially a handful of "I was tolds" or "a guy who was theres " accompanied by no evidence whatsoever.

Not saying it isn't possible, but there's not really anything there (yet) to lend any  weight to the claim.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Worm and I were the first to associate these guns with Bang/Pak.  He was the one who insisted the D stood for "destination" while I never bought into it. 

In our research, we found it VERY possible the guns supplied to these nations from China could in fact be our DP and DB guns and the quantities and times line up.  We know they supplied Pakistan with them prior to the Bangladesh split in 1971. After India stepped in and kicked Paks azz for Bangladesh, they were left with many SKSs. Whe also know China then helped Bangladesh further with small arms aid and later SET THEM UP TO MAKE THE T56 AK47. 

You may read on pooperj site about "Bangladesh made sks information coming soon" hork spit bork bork, but I assure you..... He didn't do his research.  He read somewhere "t56" and assumed the sks, but the reference is to the AK.  Dont hold your breath waiting for his revaluation.

[running-man]

I think the DP/DB guns are all spike bayos, no?

I believe so, but the explanation may be as simple as all DB/DPs were built after 1966.  I have never seen a T56 built after 1966 that has a blade bayo.  The refurbished-for-commercial-export 88/89/90/91/92 prefixed guns run the gambit of features, but the blade guns very likely started out life as pre '66 T56s. 

[Boris Badinov]

Worm and I were the first to associate these guns with Bang/Pak.  He was the one who insisted the D stood for "destination" while I never bought into it. 

In our research, we found it VERY possible the guns supplied to these nations from China could in fact be our DP and DB guns and the quantities and times line up.  We know they supplied Pakistan with them prior to the Bangladesh split in 1971. After India stepped in and kicked Paks azz for Bangladesh, they were left with many SKSs. Whe also know China then helped Bangladesh further with small arms aid and later SET THEM UP TO MAKE THE T56 AK47. 

You may read on pooperj site about "Bangladesh made sks information coming soon" hork spit bork bork, but I assure you..... He didn't do his research.  He read somewhere "t56" and assumed the sks, but the reference is to the AK.  Dont hold your breath waiting for his revaluation.

This is definitely the most in depth exlanation of a possible Bengal/Pak explanation I've ever come across.

Interesting.

So... this would seem to suggest that -- if the Bengal/Pak connection is correct -- then India would be a likely place to find some stashed, or cached, or maybe still in service.  ?

[Loose}{Cannon]

I now see that blade bayo in the pic.  No telling if they ever received some early guns at some point.  All the 1971 conflict pics are spike only.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Bangladesh bayonet Paks with SKS.  Wonder if these have DP stamped on them.

[Boris Badinov]

Bangladesh bayonet Paks with SKS.  Wonder if these have DP stamped on them.

ahhh, yes...

DP = Deep Penetrating
DB = Dangerous Bayonet

[Justin Hell]

All those SKSs....wonder if any are DBs?
It's kind of funny that there is one dude with a blade, and everyone else has spikes.  I wonder if that is the Bangladeshi version of the employee of the month parking spot.

Those folks without SKSs certainly do not look amused.

[Greasemonkey]

Bangladesh bayonet Paks with SKS.  Wonder if these have DP stamped on them.

ahhh, yes...

DP = Deep Penetrating
DB = Dangerous Bayonet

DB= Deflate Badguy 
DP= Defeat Partisans or Deflate Partisans

All those SKSs....wonder if any are DBs?
It's kind of funny that there is one dude with a blade, and everyone else has spikes.  I wonder if that is the Bangladeshi version of the employee of the month parking spot.

Those folks without SKSs certainly do not look amused.

Dude with the blade is the platoon cook...thats the uber rare DB model for cooks.. Detachable Bayonet. 

[Justin Hell]

Bangladesh bayonet Paks with SKS.  Wonder if these have DP stamped on them.

ahhh, yes...

DP = Deep Penetrating
DB = Dangerous Bayonet

DB= Deflate Badguy 
DP= Defeat Partisans or Deflate Partisans

All those SKSs....wonder if any are DBs?
It's kind of funny that there is one dude with a blade, and everyone else has spikes.  I wonder if that is the Bangladeshi version of the employee of the month parking spot.

Those folks without SKSs certainly do not look amused.

Dude with the blade is the platoon cook...thats the uber rare DB model for cooks.. Detachable Bayonet. 

That is the best interpretation of DB I have heard yet.

[running-man]

Occam's razor is what I'd assume which points me towards the 四 / Siping marking. All speculation at this point, we need some nore examples!!!

Siping?  I see a runner going the whole vertical distance on the left for sure and partially stamped on the right.

[gopguy]

Fascinating thread.   I found both a DP and DB marked Type 56 rifles in a gun shop recently.  Price was not too hateful and got a break for buying the pair.   

The DB marked rifle is at top, the DP at the bottom.  Apologies that I am not the best photographer.

[running-man]

Welcome to the boards guy! Beautiful pair of DP/DB carbines you have there.  Both fall right in the S/N range of known guns.

The big brother of your Lushun, made only a few hundred earlier:


and the Yanji's little sister about 600 later:

[gopguy]

Thanks for the welcome and identifying the towns they came from for me.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Welcome, and nice carbines!

[Justin Hell]

There has to be some reason my DB is such an ugly duckling.  Does your DB have a locking lug for the bolt?
Oh, and welcome to the best SKS place there is.

[gopguy]

"Does your DB have a locking lug for the bolt?"

Yes in fact both of these carbines do.

[Justin Hell]

My DB is an odd one...it does not have the lug, it is just milled into the receiver.  I didn't even notice until RM and LC pointed it out to me....mine is a cast receiver too, which does not display the normal cast receiver features. My crummiest SKS is also one of my most interesting.

It almost seems like a kid's high school shop project....and he glossed over that part of the design.  I can't find the pics at the moment, but a DB thread exists here somewhere...with them.  I don't think my photobucket got the neutering yet.  It is a weird weird gun.