New to the site. Great info. Got this last week what you guys think? 1964?
(https://i.imgur.com/Rd1jQcg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vI2WEhw.jpg)
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Nice catch.
Looks like one from the most recent batches from the Albanian caches.
9th year (1964) carbine with a 9th year transitional bayonet. Is it all matching?
Yes, you’re correct, it’s a nice 1964. I expect you’ll love it thumb1
I love it. Matching would be icing on the cake. PAX
Unfortunately nothing matches as far as numbers. But i love the stock nice and worn in like it is. metal seems to not have a scratch on it. Do you think the metal was all touched up? Or put together with a newer barreled action that saw less handling?
not a bad shooter either.
first 5 groups after getting the sights zero'd. think i should stop at 3 shot groups.lol
(https://i.imgur.com/jIjP0Fm.jpg)
Neat...right at 2k older than mine...and a spike. It's been awhile since I checked, but this might be one of the earliest spikers in the US....if not the earliest. Years ago I think mine was in the top two? I just got bumped down a peg.
Too bad it's not matching... mine is aside from an unserialed replacement stock.
Nice rifle, nice groups.
Quote from: Gristle on January 24, 2021, 11:49:01 PM
Unfortunately nothing matches as far as numbers.
Luckily, even a non matching carbine is worth today what matching carbines were selling for just a year ago.
QuoteBut i love the stock nice and worn in like it is. metal seems to not have a scratch on it. Do you think the metal was all touched up?
The metal on many of the carbines from the Albanian caches arrived in amazing overall condition (stocks notwithstanding). It's tough to say if rebluing was a common practice. But given the condition of many of the stocks from the Albanian imports, i'd guess that re-bluing probably not that common.
QuoteOr put together with a newer barreled action that saw less handling?
Is the "4' stamp on the left side of the barrel lug the same size and font as the "4" stamp on the left side of the receiver ?
hi Gristle and welcome. good to have you here. looks like a nice one, thanks for sharing.
Those shots that are touching show promise. What’s PPU PSP, surplus M67 or some of the modern PPU Boxer-primed brass case?
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on January 25, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
Those shots that are touching show promise. What’s PPU PSP, surplus M67 or some of the modern PPU Boxer-primed brass case?
Prvi Partizan PPU 7.62×39 123 Grains PSP
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on January 25, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
Those shots that are touching show promise. What’s PPU PSP, surplus M67 or some of the modern PPU Boxer-primed brass case?
the top right and bottom left are Chinese copper washed corrosive surp
Quote from: Justin Hell on January 25, 2021, 02:11:08 AM
Neat...right at 2k older than mine...and a spike. It's been awhile since I checked, but this might be one of the earliest spikers in the US....if not the earliest. Years ago I think mine was in the top two? I just got bumped down a peg.
Too bad it's not matching... mine is aside from an unserialed replacement stock.
You still have the top spot in the USA cuz im in canada EH :)
Quote from: Gristle on January 25, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on January 25, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
Those shots that are touching show promise. What’s PPU PSP, surplus M67 or some of the modern PPU Boxer-primed brass case?
Prvi Partizan PPU 7.62×39 123 Grains PSP
Thanks. I found it, PSP = Pointed Soft Point. Looks like their hunting ammo is good to go.
Quote from: Boris Badinov on January 25, 2021, 09:41:57 AM
Quote from: Gristle on January 24, 2021, 11:49:01 PM
Unfortunately nothing matches as far as numbers.
Luckily, even a non matching carbine is worth today what matching carbines were selling for just a year ago.
QuoteBut i love the stock nice and worn in like it is. metal seems to not have a scratch on it. Do you think the metal was all touched up?
The metal on many of the carbines from the Albanian caches arrived in amazing overall condition (stocks notwithstanding). It's tough to say if rebluing was a common practice. But given the condition of many of the stocks from the Albanian imports, i'd guess that re-bluing probably not that common.
QuoteOr put together with a newer barreled action that saw less handling?
Is the "4' stamp on the left side of the barrel lug the same size and font as the "4" stamp on the left side of the receiver ?
Yes Both 4 stamps look the same. ill post a pic
(https://i.imgur.com/PW7HMLt.jpg)
Quote from: Justin Hell on January 25, 2021, 02:11:08 AM
Neat...right at 2k older than mine...and a spike. It's been awhile since I checked, but this might be one of the earliest spikers in the US....if not the earliest. Years ago I think mine was in the top two? I just got bumped down a peg.
Too bad it's not matching... mine is aside from an unserialed replacement stock.
Let's hold our horses on calling this one Justin. Totally non-matching gun, (maybe even a parts gun), in Canada so you can't really make any definitive statement about the blade vs spike bayo transition from this one...
Gristle, can you let us know what the stock ferrule looks on this one? Is it a V notch or a U notch?(https://i.ibb.co/rvykVk3/ferrule-v.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SVpCFQF/ferrule-u.jpg)
Gristle, can you let us know what the stock ferrule looks on this one? Is it a V notch or a U notch?(https://i.ibb.co/rvykVk3/ferrule-v.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SVpCFQF/ferrule-u.jpg)
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Ill take a look when I get home.. don't really have a clear pic of the notch.
Here are some pics of the part numbers if that helps. Love learning about these interesting guns. I have another one OTW from the same dealer and batch I believe so see what shows up. I asked for one with the sling swivel on the side of the butt stock that had a spike bayo as I wanted one of each.
(https://i.ibb.co/QNGH52W/IMG-2470-1509.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qswgZtH)
(https://i.ibb.co/x6GyszD/IMG-2530.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9W2JvyN)
(https://i.ibb.co/LSV4sB7/IMG-2531.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F6RGdcT)
(https://i.ibb.co/cyg33N5/IMG-2532.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wd0ggKH)
(https://i.ibb.co/71N5tPf/IMG-2535.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CHsZKgc)
(https://i.ibb.co/NTkJMSR/IMG-2537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WVdMLtC)
(https://i.ibb.co/Yp997np/IMG-2538.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f4RRY64)
Doesn't look like there is a single matching part on that thing, LOL.
Quote from: Greatguns on January 26, 2021, 08:54:20 PM
Doesn't look like there is a single matching part on that thing, LOL.
Yeah, it's almost impressive. A completely mixed parts gun built from the receiver on out :o
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on January 26, 2021, 09:18:44 PM
Quote from: Greatguns on January 26, 2021, 08:54:20 PM
Doesn't look like there is a single matching part on that thing, LOL.
Yeah, it's almost impressive. A completely mixed parts gun built from the receiver on out :o
im sure it was built from the best parts from the best guns they ever produced. Im lucky that way. haha
Gristle, can you let us know what the stock ferrule looks on this one? Is it a V notch or a U notch?
(https://i.ibb.co/SVpCFQF/ferrule-u.jpg)
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Just checked it a U notch
Yup, looks like my ugly Betty first yugo m59/66. Not a pair of matching numbers on that girl except the receiver and stock. Shot like a dream though. Still kind of regret letting that one go.
Guns like this one are great for conversation and make great shooters, but I’m very reticent to use them as a basis for any kind of feature progression or other hard data collection. Too many questions there.
On the other hand, that bolt carrier :o I would love to own the gun that carrier can off of. Very few letter R guns out there.
Hey Gristle, that's one heck of a guitar collection you have going.
Quote from: Larry D. on January 27, 2021, 10:22:48 AM
Hey Gristle, that's one heck of a guitar collection you have going.
Hey thanks... guns... guitars.. Its always someting!!
Quote from: running-man on January 27, 2021, 08:56:22 AM
Yup, looks like my ugly Betty first yugo m59/66. Not a pair of matching numbers on that girl except the receiver and stock. Shot like a dream though. Still kind of regret letting that one go.
Guns like this one are great for conversation and make great shooters, but I’m very reticent to use them as a basis for any kind of feature progression or other hard data collection. Too many questions there.
On the other hand, that bolt carrier :o I would love to own the gun that carrier can off of. Very few letter R guns out there.
Ya I wasn't expecting anything rare about this baby. But happy to open conversation to help me learn a bit more. So with matching Chinese sks. Are the parts all one number and the serial another? Stupid question maybe. I have a 54 izzy (2008) import with the tasteful Canadian mag pin weld... all metal matching # so I get the Russian numbers. Little confused on the Chinese.
Chinese with matching numbers typically have the following format (there are always exceptions)
Receiver: Full S/N with prefix. Often 7, 8, 9 digits, sometimes as low as 4 digits and I've seen odd guns with 10 digits. Sometimes the prefix is somewhat separated from the rest of the S/N as they are stamped at different times:
(https://i.ibb.co/bXc7Vxv/25011864-receiver.jpg)
Magazine, trigger group, bolt carrier, bolt, receiver cover often have only the last 4, 5, or 6 digits of the S/N. 5 digits is most common, though the early guns (and some of the smaller arsenals like the example above) can actually have a six digit number here. For the gun above, the components look like:
(https://i.ibb.co/FYtfNSq/25011864-magazine.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/442jkXZ/25011864-bolt-carrier.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x37zyw4/25011864-receiver-cover.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/x62WgZ5/25011864-trigger-guard.jpg)
Stocks often follow the 4, 5, or 6 digit numbers on the TG, bolt carrier, bolt, magazine, and receiver cover.
(https://i.ibb.co/6P403HF/25011864-stock.jpg)
Sometimes they have the full S/N however.
(https://i.ibb.co/hHG0GRz/23000704-stock.jpg)
Your gun being a 9 mil /26\ would have had 5 digit numbers of "38821" on all components and the stock if it was all matching. thumb1
Quote from: running-man on January 27, 2021, 06:07:07 PM
Your gun being a 9 mil /26\ would have had 5 digit numbers of "38821" on all components and the stock if it was all matching. thumb1
Thank you that clears it all up :)
Took another pull on the sks slot machine. Got another one from the same dealer. FYI it is matching save the mag and bolt.
Thought I’d share. 1966?
(https://i.ibb.co/8N33NGf/B4-CC7-CAF-AA47-4-C04-9-D06-29-BA3-B94243-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GnwwnG8)
(https://i.ibb.co/3T4wBMC/FD65-CD11-389-A-4720-AD6-D-C5423-D2-E3771.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WHGQgP2)
(https://i.ibb.co/XbStWnB/280-D1026-53-A6-45-E5-A86-A-E63140-F33088.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SPRB6kT)
Quote from: Gristle on February 02, 2021, 06:36:26 PM
Took another pull on the sks slot machine. Got another one from the same dealer. FYI it is matching save the mag and bolt.
Thought I’d share. 1966?
Then it's not matching at all. Either it matches, or it doesn't. When you come up on a rig like that, just list what parts have the same number. PAX
Quote from: echo1 on February 02, 2021, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: Gristle on February 02, 2021, 06:36:26 PM
Took another pull on the sks slot machine. Got another one from the same dealer. FYI it is matching save the mag and bolt.
Thought I’d share. 1966?
Then it's not matching at all. Either it matches, or it doesn't. When you come up on a rig like that, just list what parts have the same number. PAX
When I said it matched except the mag and bolt. Figured most would deduce which parts do match. Seems I already met your Suggestion. I personally care less about matching numbers. But some did in my earlier post so I figured i would include in this post.