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General Milsurp Weapons => Milsurp Rifles & Carbines => Mosins & Soviet Arms => Topic started by: Matchka on June 26, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
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What to look for? What to avoid? Prices?
Tks! ::)
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What are you looking for? A typical refurbished M91/30 rifle, M38 or M44 carbines, M91 long rifles, M1907 carbine, or Finnish M24, M27, M28, M28/30, M39, etc. models?
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To get you started.
Some out of date info but generally good for the basics
http://7.62x54r.net/
Great info on the details, production numbers, markings, refurbishment arsenals etc.
https://www.m9130.info/
Prices: Advanced Search; select "Completed Items"; enter search term, e.g., Mosin; select bolt action rifles, or curio and relic; sort by "bid count: high to low".
https://www.gunbroker.com/
Basic refurbished M91/30s are $300-450 these days. What are known as "Hex" receivers in the collecting community (actually half of a regular octagon with a rounded bottom) tend to fetch prices at the high end of that range; more than the round receivers. Spanish Civil War M91/30s are desirable. They were imported long before the 1968 GCA mandated import marks, but some of them were marked "Made in USSR" or mistakenly "Made in URRS". They often have crude wire sling hangers. Finnish M91/30s are marked with the [SA] for Suomi Armeijan (Finnish Army). They bring a premium, $350-550.
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Then there's Dragoons, exDragoons, Cosacks, Belgian rebarrels, sleeved barrels, pre war, post war, war time, Snipers and faux Snipers, trainers, captures, recaliber, Chinese, Russian, Romanian, Finnish, Polish, Hungarian, United States, even a Czech variant. One thing about it.. the Mosin and the x54r have probably seen more wars than any other service rifle.
Open the can of worms... :)
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From what I've read you should be asking RM about Mosins! rofl2
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Yeah, he's secretly got a huge stash of them but refuses to admit it Besplode. rofl
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Great info guys - thanks! I'll try to learn more about them myself....always had one in the back of my mind.thumb1
The 7.62x54R round looks as though it would be a bruiser in a bolt action rifle. :o
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Great info guys - thanks! I'll try to learn more about them myself....always had one in the back of my mind.thumb1
The 7.62x54R round looks as though it would be a bruiser in a bolt action rifle. :o
The round is no worse than .303 or .30-06, all of which have fairly similar case capacities, use the same bullet weight range, have similar velocities, etc. Both my M1D and Mosin Sniper print fairly accurately.
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Great info guys - thanks! I'll try to learn more about them myself....always had one in the back of my mind.thumb1
The 7.62x54R round looks as though it would be a bruiser in a bolt action rifle. :o
It's really not that bad, especially if fired from 91 or 91/30 as opposed to 91/38(59). Plus if you really want to shoot it properly you are supposed to put the bayonet on, which adds even more weight.
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Great info guys - thanks! I'll try to learn more about them myself....always had one in the back of my mind.thumb1
The 7.62x54R round looks as though it would be a bruiser in a bolt action rifle. :o
It's not a little SKS.. but not bad in my book, I've got way...way worse, but a light weight M38 with heavy ball will wake you.....and others up. :) chuckles1
Pretty decent place and knowlegable forum.. been a member there for years.
https://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/ https://russian-mosin-nagant.com/
From what I've read you should be asking RM about Mosins! rofl2
RM has one, don't let him trick you guys...it's well known this is him posing with it. thumb1
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Mq1HJX93yCU/V83jJsXtidI/AAAAAAAAK7w/FxvCxqA48MYX_OehPl-F_Q-875rgui3IwCLcB/s1600/punt_gun_3.jpg)
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Great info guys - thanks! I'll try to learn more about them myself....always had one in the back of my mind.thumb1
The 7.62x54R round looks as though it would be a bruiser in a bolt action rifle. :o
The round is no worse than .303 or .30-06, all of which have fairly similar case capacities, use the same bullet weight range, have similar velocities, etc. Both my M1D and Mosin Sniper print fairly accurately.
Great info guys - thanks! I'll try to learn more about them myself....always had one in the back of my mind.thumb1
The 7.62x54R round looks as though it would be a bruiser in a bolt action rifle. :o
The round is no worse than .303 or .30-06, all of which have fairly similar case capacities, use the same bullet weight range, have similar velocities, etc. Both my M1D and Mosin Sniper print fairly accurately.
Okay - thanks.
My Garands are very mild on recoil...but I haven't ever tried the "mack-daddy" 30-06 in a bolt gun. rofl2
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My M1903A3 and Mosin using a similar bullet weight have (to me) a similar recoil. 182gr Heavy ball out of the Sniper are a bit more of a shove.
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Why I oughta! bat1
You don’t really want a Mosin high noon. One you get the first one, the second won’t be too far behind... Mark my words.
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My M1903A3 and Mosin using a similar bullet weight have (to me) a similar recoil. 182gr Heavy ball out of the Sniper are a bit more of a shove.
Weapon weight plays into it... Garand about 10 pounds, M1903 and M91/30 right about 8.7-9 pounds, the M44 has the weight advantage as well with the added bayonet, an M38 and M91/59 carbine is about 7.7 pounds...
Why I oughta! bat1
You don’t really want a Mosin high noon. One you get the first one, the second won’t be too far behind... Mark my words.
Do it... thumb1 RM I resemble that remark. bat1 rofl2 Just a few.... :)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/kvx85axu898juyi/SAM_0100_zpsr1jnzwhr.jpg?dl=0)
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I have gone for five years without getting a third. One 91/30, one T53.
I learned the hard way with the T53 and the heavy ball....and the stomping on the bolt to get it open after.
:)
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The way RM worded his statement kinda insinuates he DOES have not only one but SOME rofl rofl2.
Justin, rubber mallet chuckles1!!!
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Do it... thumb1 RM I resemble that remark. bat1 rofl2 Just a few.... :)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/kvx85axu898juyi/SAM_0100_zpsr1jnzwhr.jpg?dl=0)
WOW! Now that is an amazing collection of Mosins. :o :o :o How many years have you been buying them?
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Hey GM, you might want to check that center one in front. I think its oil pan gasket has gone bad... rofl
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The way RM worded his statement kinda insinuates he DOES have not only one but SOME rofl rofl2.
Justin, rubber mallet chuckles1!!!
I'd never lie about something so grave as a Mosin Nagant! didnt do
But yes on the small mallet. Only sure way to cycle 'em w/o bruising your hand badly. rofl
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BRAVO ZULU for the inputs! After viewing hours of vids, scanning dozens & dozens of pages, scoping out Gunbreaker and a couple of other auction sites... along with production numbers, countries of origin, hundreds of variants, 'opinions', values, collecting, shooting, right down to "sneaks", the "r" argument ('rimmed' or 'Russian'), bayonets that attach/won't attach, stock insignias, scrubbed stampings, mixed pieces and parts, "mystery" Mosins, slings (correct/incorrect)... and myriad other stuff too complex to list; I've sorta-kinda settled on the M44 carbine.
Now, its how to convince my other half that a third 40-rifle gun safe makes sense!
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Sometimes it's easier to ask for forgiveness, than permission. :)
I'd never lie about something so grave as a Mosin Nagant! didnt do
But yes on the small mallet. Only sure way to cycle 'em w/o bruising your hand badly. rofl
think1 sounds like an excuse to talk ones self out of a new addiction.. you know.. Self......their terrible junky weapons, gotta use a mallet... I wants one, I needs one... but, but, the mallet thing..... but we needs the precious.. but I'll have to change my signature line and GM will bust my balls... Curse us and crush us...my precious..
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As an example, this one looks pretty clean
The 600+, in the ball park nowadays, or is the Seller in the parking lot?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/903676383
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I hope not. $600 for a refurbished M44 from one of the two peak production years (1944 and 1945) with very worn finish and an R Guns billboard style import mark. Double Eagle Pawn is always high in my experience.
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I hope not. $600 for a refurbished M44 from one of the two peak production years (1944 and 1945) with very worn finish and an R Guns billboard style import mark. Double Eagle Pawn is always high in my experience.
Roger that! The finish definitely appears to be 2good2B for a '44. nea1
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It's a genuine Russian refurbished finish, so I wouldn't hesitate in that regard. About 99.98% of the Mosin M91/30, M44, M38s that you find will be refurbished. It's just that the post-WWII refurbishment finish doesn't hold up well to use. It seems it was more of a long term storage preservation finish. The handguards and foreends of the stock tend to wear first when a US owner disassembles the rifle and slides those barrel bands over those surfaces.
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If your wanting to just try one out to satisfy a curiosity, Chinese Type 53s are a carbon copy of the M44, typically a little cheaper, kind of like SKSs, sometimes they vary from great condition to... well... just parts. When they were imported I picked up 2, the metal and bores were great, the stocks were a little rough, nothing terrible, just no finish.
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If your wanting to just try one out to satisfy a curiosity, Chinese Type 53s are a carbon copy of the M44, typically a little cheaper, kind of like SKSs, sometimes they vary from great condition to... well... just parts. When they were imported I picked up 2, the metal and bores were great, the stocks were a little rough, nothing terrible, just no finish.
Indeed, they are usually well worn in, thus have nice triggers and shoot well. I picked up a pair of Type 53s back in the good old days (just 7 years ago) of one for $99, two for $89 from Southern Ohio Gun (RIP). One was original matching; really beat the odds on that one.
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I looked around the interweb - taking in the sage advice from folks here, and a couple of local owners... I put out feelers with four nearby LGS for a consignment or pawn.
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Someone had a pair of them on the AK-Files, if you are on there.
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My humble opinion ... if you are getting just one. Get the M 39 if your a shooter. They are more money but there is nothing similar vs the standard Russian 91/30. I have them all... but I have way more M39s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAnCjqX0IQA
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I'm not on the AK Files, but I'll definitely check out the 39. Tks!
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My humble opinion ... if you are getting just one. Get the M 39 if your a shooter. They are more money but there is nothing similar vs the standard Russian 91/30. I have them all... but I have way more M39s
Yeah, I agree. My favorite standard military issue Mosin. It's too bad the days of $350-400 M39s are gone for good, but they're still worth it.
My antique 1896/1970 M39
(https://i.ibb.co/c8xKsk9/right-1-full.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M19yJZH)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZSBwXRn/1896-Sestroryetsk-tang.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7QnTCxw)
(https://i.ibb.co/LZYSdWm/SN-barrel-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0GmqyST)
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Clean and crispy! Tks for posting the pics!
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My humble opinion ... if you are getting just one. Get the M 39 if your a shooter. They are more money but there is nothing similar vs the standard Russian 91/30. I have them all... but I have way more M39s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAnCjqX0IQA
I like M39's too, they are fine shooters. But if I were to only have one I'd choose a non-Finned Sestroretsk M91, ideally a really early one (they are not easy to find, sadly). The good (and bad) news are: there are enough Mosin variations for all of us :))
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There's always these Finn Mosins.. :)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qv1sj4339csszow/HPIM0018_zpsbt2cydmw.jpg?dl=0)
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I've got my eye on two M44's. Minty '53 Polish and same for an Izhvesk. Both are already over 700 with a couple of days to go. Ugh.
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I've got my eye on two M44's. Minty '53 Polish and same for an Izhvesk. Both are already over 700 with a couple of days to go. Ugh.
Wow! The mint Polish ones have been $500+ guns for a long time, but an Izhevsk for that kind of scratch is a new phenomenon.
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My humble opinion ... if you are getting just one. Get the M 39 if your a shooter. They are more money but there is nothing similar vs the standard Russian 91/30. I have them all... but I have way more M39s
Yeah, I agree. My favorite standard military issue Mosin. It's too bad the days of $350-400 M39s are gone for good, but they're still worth it.
My antique 1896/1970 M39
(https://i.ibb.co/c8xKsk9/right-1-full.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M19yJZH)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZSBwXRn/1896-Sestroryetsk-tang.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7QnTCxw)
(https://i.ibb.co/LZYSdWm/SN-barrel-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0GmqyST)
Very nice riffle. Plum as well... gets the xtra nice!
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(https://i.ibb.co/hKwBFJg/Sky-M-39.jpg) (https://ibb.co/30Qpm9T)
Some I found in the back of the closet.
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Came across a 1970 M39 on GB a few days ago - not even close to BMont's beauty, price went felony stupid so I had to pass.
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(https://i.ibb.co/hKwBFJg/Sky-M-39.jpg) (https://ibb.co/30Qpm9T)
Some I found in the back of the closet.
Nice! Looks like you’re partial to Civil Guard rifles :)
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Yes the addiction was severe at one time. Im still on the 12 step plan to ease my addiction. Only added one Fin mosin this year... which means it might be working. On a serious note... I think the finn rifles are most like original if you find one that has not been refurbed.