Here's a *really* interesting one

[Direct Connection]

 The comments of how many country's can make the gun from in one word is simply amazing Oh my god 

[Boris Badinov]

One more guess.
Izhevsk sneak. Albanian stock. CHINA import stamp.

[pcke2000]

One more guess.
Izhevsk sneak. Albanian stock. CHINA import stamp.

Can't comment on other parts. But receiver is definitely not Izhevsk made.

[Boris Badinov]

One more guess.
Izhevsk sneak. Albanian stock. CHINA import stamp.

Can't comment on other parts. But receiver is definitely not Izhevsk made.

Interesting. Im not well versed in Izhevsk

Why not?

[pcke2000]

One more guess.
Izhevsk sneak. Albanian stock. CHINA import stamp.

Can't comment on other parts. But receiver is definitely not Izhevsk made.

Interesting. Im not well versed in Izhevsk

Why not?

As I mentioned before, multiple inspection/QC proof marks and the factory symbol are unique to Factory 536 (Tula).

[Boris Badinov]

Ah. Interesting. 

Aside from serial number fonts,  the only discernible difference i was aware of between Tula and Izhevsk (barreled) receivers was the orientation of the 4digit numbers on the barrel lugs.

(Tula numbers are perpendicular and Izhevsk numbers are parallel to the barrel axis.)

[Boris Badinov]

I would add, though, that I do not believe the partial 5point star inspection stamp, below the wood is Tula specific.

The only discussion I've seen on this topic, suggests that it is another of many types of inspection stamps.

Is there evidence to the contrary?

[pcke2000]

Ah. Interesting. 

Aside from serial number fonts,  the only discernible difference i was aware of between Tula and Izhevsk (barreled) receivers was the orientation of the 4digit numbers on the barrel lugs.

(Tula numbers are perpendicular and Izhevsk numbers are parallel to the barrel axis.)


I would add, though, that I do not believe the partial 5point star inspection stamp, below the wood is Tula speicific.

I respect your opinion. However, I would say, if you have worked on Tokarev rifles, TT pistols, and Nagant M1895 revolvers, that Star factory symbol is very easy to recognize. In addition, (1) so far, no observed/reported Russian/Soviet small arms QC inspection marks are in such a 5-point star shape; (2) the way how and the location where this factory symbol is stamped on this SKS receiver is very similar to the practice Russians used on SVT-40.

[Boris Badinov]

I respect your opinion. However, I would say, if you have worked on Tokarev rifles, TT pistols, and Nagant M1895 revolvers, that Star factory symbol is very easy to recognize. In addition, (1) so far, no observed/reported Russian/Soviet small arms QC inspection marks are in such a 5-point star shape; (2) the way how and the location where this factory symbol is stamped on this SKS receiver is very similar to the practice Russians used on SVT-40.

This is very interesting. Thanks.

These below the wood 5 point stars never appear on any Izhevsk SVTs, Nagants, TT's or Mosins?

[pcke2000]

I respect your opinion. However, I would say, if you have worked on Tokarev rifles, TT pistols, and Nagant M1895 revolvers, that Star factory symbol is very easy to recognize. In addition, (1) so far, no observed/reported Russian/Soviet small arms QC inspection marks are in such a 5-point star shape; (2) the way how and the location where this factory symbol is stamped on this SKS receiver is very similar to the practice Russians used on SVT-40.

This is very interesting. Thanks.

These below the wood 5 point stars never appear on any Izhevsk SVTs, Nagants, TT's or Mosins?

No. And personally I have thoroughly inspected small parts on my multiple non-refurb original finish and all matching Tula and Izhevsk made SVT-40/SVT-38, Tula and Izhevsk made TT, and Tula and Izhevsk made Nagant M1895. Izhevsk made weapons (including Makarov) do not have this unique factory symbol.

I do not have non-refurb Mosins in my collection. But to my best knowledge, no one has seen such Star on Izhevsk made Mosins.

I also must add that factory designation numbers may be different or change over the time (very often they are indeed completely different factories), although we just generalized to call them either Tula or Izhevsk (e.g. so call Tula Factory producing SVT was NKV 314 (evacuated from Tula to Mednogorsk at the end of 1941, a new Tula factory (NKV 536) was established at Tula in 1942 to produce Mosins), but the Tula factory that made SKS was MV 536, but somehow they did share secondary factory symbol, which is the unique Tula star).

[Greasemonkey]

RM's op photo with a very similar photo of the receiver marks on my Soviet Sino

[Boris Badinov]

I respect your opinion. However, I would say, if you have worked on Tokarev rifles, TT pistols, and Nagant M1895 revolvers, that Star factory symbol is very easy to recognize. In addition, (1) so far, no observed/reported Russian/Soviet small arms QC inspection marks are in such a 5-point star shape; (2) the way how and the location where this factory symbol is stamped on this SKS receiver is very similar to the practice Russians used on SVT-40.

This is very interesting. Thanks.

These below the wood 5 point stars never appear on any Izhevsk SVTs, Nagants, TT's or Mosins?

No. And personally I have thoroughly inspected small parts on my multiple non-refurb original finish and all matching Tula and Izhevsk made SVT-40/SVT-38, Tula and Izhevsk made TT, and Tula and Izhevsk made Nagant M1895. Izhevsk made weapons (including Makarov) do not have this unique factory symbol.

I do not have non-refurb Mosins in my collection. But to my best knowledge, no one has seen such Star on Izhevsk made Mosins.

I also must add that factory designation numbers may be different or change over the time (very often they are indeed completely different factories), although we just generalized to call them either Tula or Izhevsk (e.g. so call Tula Factory producing SVT was NKV 314 (evacuated from Tula to Mednogorsk at the end of 1941, a new Tula factory (NKV 536) was established at Tula in 1942 to produce Mosins), but the Tula factory that made SKS was MV 536, but somehow they did share secondary factory symbol, which is the unique Tula star).

Wow. Even without info on the mosins-- the absence of smaller star stamp on the 3 other Izhevsk made firearms makes for a substantial argument. 

That's really useful information. For a long time now, I have given little to no thought to that specific stamping. SKS is my jam, everything else soviet is kinda part of a very large blind spot. Thanks for helping to fill some of it in.

And thanks, for the mini-lesson, pcke! Vey helpful.

[pcke2000]

I respect your opinion. However, I would say, if you have worked on Tokarev rifles, TT pistols, and Nagant M1895 revolvers, that Star factory symbol is very easy to recognize. In addition, (1) so far, no observed/reported Russian/Soviet small arms QC inspection marks are in such a 5-point star shape; (2) the way how and the location where this factory symbol is stamped on this SKS receiver is very similar to the practice Russians used on SVT-40.

This is very interesting. Thanks.

These below the wood 5 point stars never appear on any Izhevsk SVTs, Nagants, TT's or Mosins?

One quick but important addition. There're rare exceptions (observed and documented by Russians back to the actual production time), where you may see mixed factory symbols on a non-refurb original rifle (but generally not on a same part): (1) early 1940 Podolsk made SVT-38/SVT-40 with parts supplied by Tula and Izhevsk; (2) Dec 1941 to very early 1942 Tula (actually by NKV 314 at Mednogorsk) made SVT-40 with supplied by Izhevsk; (3) 1941 and early 1942 Tula (NKV 536) made Mosins with parts supplied by Izhevsk (in this case, barrel is stamped with both Tula and Izhevsk Primary factory symbols).

Sorry for being confusing.

[Boris Badinov]

RM's op photo with a very similar photo of the receiver marks on my Soviet Sino

It's almost comical how quickly the Chinese went from briefly mimicking the soviet whack-a-mole free-for-all stamping patterns with their own style of stamps to no qc stamps at all.

1956-57 ghosts have the same multiple stamp pattern, but different style stamps. Then, when the /26\ stamp appears, the inspection stamps disappear.

It's a really great piece of chronological evidence in the dating theory that most newbs and many long time collectors are not aware of.

[Greasemonkey]

I respect your opinion. However, I would say, if you have worked on Tokarev rifles, TT pistols, and Nagant M1895 revolvers, that Star factory symbol is very easy to recognize. In addition, (1) so far, no observed/reported Russian/Soviet small arms QC inspection marks are in such a 5-point star shape; (2) the way how and the location where this factory symbol is stamped on this SKS receiver is very similar to the practice Russians used on SVT-40.

This is very interesting. Thanks.

These below the wood 5 point stars never appear on any Izhevsk SVTs, Nagants, TT's or Mosins?

No. And personally I have thoroughly inspected small parts on my multiple non-refurb original finish and all matching Tula and Izhevsk made SVT-40/SVT-38, Tula and Izhevsk made TT, and Tula and Izhevsk made Nagant M1895. Izhevsk made weapons (including Makarov) do not have this unique factory symbol.

I do not have non-refurb Mosins in my collection. But to my best knowledge, no one has seen such Star on Izhevsk made Mosins.

I also must add that factory designation numbers may be different or change over the time (very often they are indeed completely different factories), although we just generalized to call them either Tula or Izhevsk (e.g. so call Tula Factory producing SVT was NKV 314 (evacuated from Tula to Mednogorsk at the end of 1941, a new Tula factory (NKV 536) was established at Tula in 1942 to produce Mosins), but the Tula factory that made SKS was MV 536, but somehow they did share secondary factory symbol, which is the unique Tula star).

https://www.gunboards.com/threads/1942-mosin-with-both-tula-and-izhevsk-stamps.333855/

[Boris Badinov]

Has anyone seen or heard from RM?

I thought he was going to post the "weird" photos two days ago.

[Boris Badinov]

https://www.gunboards.com/threads/1942-mosin-with-both-tula-and-izhevsk-stamps.333855/

insert brain melting emoji, here:

[Greasemonkey]

https://www.gunboards.com/threads/1942-mosin-with-both-tula-and-izhevsk-stamps.333855/

insert brain melting emoji, here:

    I admit, I'm a Mosin guy...everything else Soviet is kinda part of a very huge blind spot for me.    Mosins.... expect the unexpected.

[pcke2000]

That's why I immediately added an addition. Please see my post above.

I respect your opinion. However, I would say, if you have worked on Tokarev rifles, TT pistols, and Nagant M1895 revolvers, that Star factory symbol is very easy to recognize. In addition, (1) so far, no observed/reported Russian/Soviet small arms QC inspection marks are in such a 5-point star shape; (2) the way how and the location where this factory symbol is stamped on this SKS receiver is very similar to the practice Russians used on SVT-40.

This is very interesting. Thanks.

These below the wood 5 point stars never appear on any Izhevsk SVTs, Nagants, TT's or Mosins?

No. And personally I have thoroughly inspected small parts on my multiple non-refurb original finish and all matching Tula and Izhevsk made SVT-40/SVT-38, Tula and Izhevsk made TT, and Tula and Izhevsk made Nagant M1895. Izhevsk made weapons (including Makarov) do not have this unique factory symbol.

I do not have non-refurb Mosins in my collection. But to my best knowledge, no one has seen such Star on Izhevsk made Mosins.

I also must add that factory designation numbers may be different or change over the time (very often they are indeed completely different factories), although we just generalized to call them either Tula or Izhevsk (e.g. so call Tula Factory producing SVT was NKV 314 (evacuated from Tula to Mednogorsk at the end of 1941, a new Tula factory (NKV 536) was established at Tula in 1942 to produce Mosins), but the Tula factory that made SKS was MV 536, but somehow they did share secondary factory symbol, which is the unique Tula star).

https://www.gunboards.com/threads/1942-mosin-with-both-tula-and-izhevsk-stamps.333855/

[Justin Hell]

Has anyone seen or heard from RM?

I thought he was going to post the "weird" photos two days ago.

It's possible that he dropped this here to see what stewed over Lent. Sometimes he gives up the board for it....I looked it up, but it seemed if that was the case, this post originated a week into it.