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Online Boris Badinov

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Accuracy and honesty.
« on: January 12, 2019, 10:05:49 AM »
I read a lot of post replies (around the web) where sks owners swear up and down that their sks gets consistent 1-2" groups at 100 yards.

Admittedly, my 100 yard vision isn't great. Howevr, at 50 and 75 yards I can see both  target and irons perfectly, and still the best groups I get are 3-4" at best with 5" being the standard.

At 100yds these open up to about 9-10" groups (mostly because of my eyes)

Q: Is anyone really getting CONSISTENT 1-2 MOA groups on standard configuration sks, or are these claims just the shooting world's version of  fish tales?

Is it just me?

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 11:53:41 AM »
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are 3-4" at best with 5" being the standard.

Usually about what I've gotten... typically I find for my x39 rifles the Vz-58 is first, the 5.45 AK, then the SKS and x39 Aks are typically are too close to call.

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Q: Is anyone really getting CONSISTENT 1-2 MOA groups on standard configuration sks, or are these claims just the shooting world's version of  fish tales?

I'm not saying it cant be done, anything is possible, and even a blind squirrel gets a nut once and a while...I would question how much time, effort and money have they thrown at it behind the scenes, but kept it stock looking, because 99.9% of the time your not just going to pull one out of a crate and it shoots that well. I would like to see a 7.62x39 brand of ammo thats equivalent to GP11 Swiss ammo in quality and consistency. I usually skip over accuracy reports.. just for these reasons....

And honestly... I really don't care how bad mine shoot.. they have nothing to prove, they are just fun. If I want accuracy, I have other rifles just for that. I'm not going to throw money at something that may, or may not work, or run the risk of messing it up, when I could just go, take that same money and buy a purpose made, modern accurate rifle that is a lot easier to work with, has better aftermarket support and has much better ammunition choices. thumb1

« Last Edit: January 12, 2019, 12:26:26 PM by Greasemonkey »
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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 01:36:59 PM »

I'm not saying it cant be done, anything is possible, and even a blind squirrel gets a nut once and a while...I would question how much time, effort and money have they thrown at it behind the scenes, but kept it stock looking, because 99.9% of the time your not just going to pull one out of a crate and it shoots that well. I would like to see a 7.62x39 brand of ammo thats equivalent to GP11 Swiss ammo in quality and consistency. I usually skip over accuracy reports.. just for these reasons....

Same here.  Can't really even see the bullseye on a target out to 100 yards even w/ my glasses on.  I'm not a crack shot but I can hit minute of man at 100 yards.  Good enough for me.  thumb1

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 02:33:41 PM »
My experience is the SKS is MOM "Minute of Man" not MoA. Only on paper of course. Aim for the center of his chest and you should be good to go. Picture a "pie plate" on his chest, that is your target. Two rounds in the pie plate, is likely a kill.

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 03:58:46 PM »
As for liars in the shooting ranks...if I see a guys tongue waggin', he's lyin'.   lalala

This.

I would love to get 1-2MOA groups with a standard config sks.

But I'd love even more for those making these claims to post videos of the feat... As their pics are less believable with each ckaimed improvement in MOA.

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2019, 04:20:59 PM »
Not an SKS...but milsurps none the less.. 3 come to mind if one wants accuracy in a vintage military rifle made outside the US.. largely because these nations have a history in shooting sports, a Swiss K31, a Swedish M96 or a Finnish M39. Owning several variants of all 3, I can say they will best any SKS, Ak or Vz I have, to the point of almost being mildly boring to shoot at 100 yards. They beg to stretch out to distances where the SKS, Ak and Vz are running out of wind.

But, GM, that's comparing apples to oranges,..a full size cartridge vs an intermediate size cartridge, bolt vs. semi auto, longer sight radius, marginally better sights.. I know this, but there are better choices for roughly the same money if accuracy is the prime objective.
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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 11:29:36 AM »
One of my sks shoots 1moa at 100y all day long.     :)
      
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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 07:24:00 PM »
to the point of almost being mildly boring to shoot at 100 yards.

I hate that, plan on shooting for a while and 5 mins in you've hit everything you brought.

My sks(s) can be amazing or awful, or anywhere in between i assume its a combination of random chance, me and the surplus ammo.
I too would like some super fancy ammo to try and see what it could do.

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 10:23:00 PM »
I shot a 2.25 5 shot group with my Romanian at 100 yds...once  :)) Id say the SKS is in general a routine 4-6 moa shooter from a supported position. Ive never shot for groups beyond 100 yds (just gongs past 100 at my range), so I dont know how much they spread at longer distances. Ive never tried Lapua, Hornady, or Norma 7.62x39, but Im sure tighter ammo specs could get more out of the right SKS.

I definitely agree that their purpose was minute of man. At 300m 4moa is going to be 34.9cm (13.8), 5 moa would be 43.6 cm (17.2), so thats about minute of man.

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2019, 01:59:01 PM »
Hey Boris....I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home. Hope that helps. I'm being honest  rofl2 chuckles1

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 05:48:55 PM »
"That's great, kid. Don't get cocky."

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2019, 08:36:23 PM »
I will say this though,  one day i was doing well with one of my SKS's and on the last milk jug i tipped it on its side and lined the nice bright pink (2%) cap up towards the bench probably 50yds away (i forget).  I had a good idea of where to hold, took the shot and have NO idea where it went. Took a second shot and nailed the cap almost dead center. 
So if you take that last shot, its a tack driver and im a genius.  If you take the last 2 it gets a little more honest, and if you take the whole day its probably worse.
And yes i still have the cap.  I should get it framed. rofl

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2019, 08:51:10 PM »
Boris, I laughed out loud for real. Nicely played my friend. Was not expecting that as a reply. Bravo sir!

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2019, 08:52:17 PM »

I definitely agree that their purpose was minute of man. At 300m 4moa is going to be 34.9cm (13.8), 5 moa would be 43.6 cm (17.2), so thats about minute of man.

MOA.... I'm good with HOA.. think1

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2019, 08:05:25 PM »
I've read somewhere to paint on a sheet of cardboard a red triangle  with sides 2ft long with one corner pointing down. That would be visible on 100 yards and easily aimed at with open sights. I want to try it but now we have 4ft of snow in the bush.
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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2019, 02:25:19 AM »
All things being equal, I don't think any semi auto milsurp was designed to have that type of accuracy.
You'd have to tighten up the tolerances to the point of being unsuitable for the rigors of combat.

Most of the stuff I've played with it good for a 6 inch target at 100 yards all day long. Some are better than others, but 6 inches seems to be about the norm.

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2019, 04:46:15 AM »
Some are better than others, but 6 inches seems to be about the norm.

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Re: Accuracy and honesty.
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2019, 08:58:25 AM »
Some are better than others, but 6 inches seems to be about the norm.

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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2019, 11:34:38 AM »
Some are better than others, but 6 inches seems to be about the norm.

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2019, 07:11:26 AM »
Some are better than others, but 6 inches seems to be about the norm.

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