DB or [0223]. I'll just leave this right here.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Well yeah..    I just have a hunch.     Hate these things!   

[running-man]

Laugh!  Yeah I hear ya.  Just trying to temper expectations and keep us grounded a bit

[Loose}{Cannon]

Laugh!  Yeah I hear ya.  Just trying to temper expectations and keep us grounded a bit

Bah...    Your agreeing with every WAG but mine!!   

[Greasemonkey]

Laugh!  Yeah I hear ya.  Just trying to temper expectations and keep us grounded a bit

Bah...    Your agreeing with every WAG but mine!!   

.   Whahahaha, boo hoo, whats even scarier, he didn't disagree  with my WAG

Whoa....the DB Cooper SKS, the mystery that left everyone stumped.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Laff...   I didn't even wanna know your theory on the DP.   

[Power Surge]

Here's another DP that just hit GB. Looks like a nice gun.

Have you guys noticed a lot of these DB/DP guns have really low serials?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=495340025

[running-man]

Nice.  Looks like a 22000xx 大 (Dalian) to me (which matches well with the other 22006xx in the serial list).  Though the photos are semi horsetrashy for detail. 

The highest DP/DB i've ever seen is 1076x which coincidentally is the one that started this thread

Maybe they produced more than they thought they would, wound up running out of pristine receivers and had to 'borrow' some from [0223]. It's a total speculation WAG with absolutely zero proof (wasn't I giving LC a hard time about that just yesterday?  ), but it being such a high number compared to the rest of the DB/DP field, it would make sense that they 'ran out'.  I wonder if another Lushun 10k will turn up with a [0223] on it?

Pull at the threads and things start to unravel (either that or you get a huge knot!) 

[Loose}{Cannon]

Oh sure..  The ole 'ran out of receivers' routine.   

[running-man]

I lie, there is an unknown DB with S/N 1318x:

[running-man]

Oh sure..  The ole 'ran out if receivers' routine.   

Hey at least I'm not pulling out the "they didn't have enough steel to make an SKS in 1960" card. 

[Loose}{Cannon]

Mopeds and bicycles were far more important then national security....  Duh!

[Power Surge]

I THINK this is an 0223...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=495226079

[Loose}{Cannon]

I used to have an /0223\B.  Does that count?

[Greasemonkey]

Oh sure..  The ole 'ran out if receivers' routine.   

Hey at least I'm not pulling out the "they didn't have enough steel to make an SKS in 1960" card. 

They didn't. I was told more or less point blank,  China had almost no steel production for weapons at that time......it's true, they had none, it was all gone, zip, nadda no production then.


Ok,  Lets WAG... These things having from what I can tell district or city names, makes me lean to a form or type of law enforcment. Why would they be stamped with Dalian, Lushun, Shenyang, Harbin, names of cities or a Chinese locale. Why would the military stamp city names in weapons, when they had such a strong presence to.begin with in China. Also quality is or seems lower than the "milspec". China had various police forces, and all were state run, but maybe not military controlled. Maybe certain state factories made a lower cost police, guard, boarder patrol issue only weapons, all these markings may be police armory marks, either repair, a rebuild, or inspection. Maybe the Public Security ones were the elite police, SWAT, stuff like that, the rest were reqular standard issue for the normal officers.

[Loose}{Cannon]

If each city had their own marked sks...  We missing thousands of marks.   

Why would the military stamp city names in weapons, when they had such a strong presence to.begin with in China.

Because perhaps they are not military.   

Maybe the Public Security ones were the elite police, SWAT, stuff like that,

ROFLMFAO

[running-man]

Note that each city code found on the DB/DPs is in the NE quadrant right up there at the border with North Korea.  Heilongjiang, Liaoning, & Jilin.  I think the close proximity to NK is something to consider.

Another thing to look at is to concentrate on the date of the DB/[0223] gun in this thread and see what we might infer from what we know about the state of the country.  As best we can make out, the date is solidly '70 to '72 and all the other DBs and [0223]s are similar.  By '70 the 'Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution' was in full swing.  The Red Guards were out of control and many intellectuals were fired from their jobs, tortured, and killed.  They wanted to change the friggin' traffic lights from red means stop to red means go for goodness sakes.

Zhou Enlai suavely convinced Red Guards who wanted to change the traffic lights to go on red and stop on green that it would be best to continue stopping on red "to respect the revolutionary order."

So in this time we're seeing []'s experimenting with all different sorts of manufacturing processes.  Maybe it was not necessarily to make things more efficient, but instead because the country's failing infrastructure/political turmoil/neglect of basic research into anything but a nuclear weapon meant they couldn't support making an SKS the 'traditional way' in mass production. 

I'd have to agree that any '70's built SKSs were likely not intended for the military, the T63/68 was in full swing by then.

[Power Surge]

Another DP...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=495595229

[Power Surge]

Here's a DP barreled receiver...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=495962426

[armedhippie]

Here's a DP barreled receiver...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=495962426

The quality on that 1 looks very good from the pics.

[running-man]

First one is a year 20 (1975) Jilin City build and the second is a year 21 (1976) Jilin City also.  Both with pinned barrels, cast gas blocks, late style FSBs, "3" style RSLs, & late RSBs.  I need to go through and categorize all these similar DPs and DBs and see if anything stands out.  They are pretty consistent in their build hardware (even from year to year) at each city factory it seems.