/016\ vs /416\ (split from Security SKS thread)

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fenceline

#80
February 14, 2016, 11:18:01 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on February 14, 2016, 10:45:05 PM
Cool... Lets see that certificate.     :))

Pony express is slow.  It will take 1 to 2 weeks I'm sure.

In this digital age I don't know why they don't just email a scan AND send their fancy water marked paper.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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firstchoice

#81
February 15, 2016, 05:40:13 AM
Quote from: pcke2000 on February 14, 2016, 06:05:43 PM
Quote from: fenceline on February 14, 2016, 02:32:39 PM
Dismount my be misinterpreted.  Disbandment?  Shut down?  Demilitarization into civilian production of other things?

the word in the original article means 'suspended'

  Thanks pcke2000! I figured it was a translation shortcoming. This may not be known yet, but what are they talking about with all the "After the suspended/suspension" comments? Was there a particular year that these arsenals were "suspended" or shut down or combined with another arsenal? Or was it more of a natural progression of obsolete plants/arsenals that were not needed and were simply shut down or combined/merged with another arsenal?

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fenceline

#82
February 25, 2016, 09:03:00 PM
My Certificate of Authenticity from Keng's Firearms Specialty Inc has just arrived regarding my 016/416 Arsenal stamped, PS stamped Type 56 SKS.

It says...

"This certificate acknowledges that the Poly Technologies, Inc. SKS with Serial Number 180383## was manufactured by State Arsenal 416 in Jing-AN, China.  It was imported by Keng's Firearms Specialty, Inc. on October 13, 1987 and was sold on December 29, 1987."

So there it is.

And here is the close up of the Arsenal stamp...

RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Power Surge

#83
February 25, 2016, 09:05:07 PM
Nice!!!!!!!!!

Loose}{Cannon

#84
February 25, 2016, 09:09:06 PM
Cool...  Thanks for the update!
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

running-man

#85
February 25, 2016, 09:33:22 PM
Very nice FL! 

Can you get a photo (or simply look at the poly stamps in http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2111.0 and let me know which one it is)?  Would be nice to narrow the type of stamp to the import date.  thumb1
      

Power Surge

#86
February 25, 2016, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: running-man on February 25, 2016, 09:33:22 PM
Very nice FL! 

Can you get a photo (or simply look at the poly stamps in http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2111.0 and let me know which one it is)?  Would be nice to narrow the type of stamp to the import date.  thumb1

Not poly stamps... KFS stamps.

fenceline

#87
February 25, 2016, 09:57:52 PM Last Edit: February 25, 2016, 10:02:16 PM by fenceline
Quote from: Power Surge on February 25, 2016, 09:36:14 PM
Quote from: running-man on February 25, 2016, 09:33:22 PM
Very nice FL! 

Can you get a photo (or simply look at the poly stamps in http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2111.0 and let me know which one it is)?  Would be nice to narrow the type of stamp to the import date.  thumb1

Not poly stamps... KFS stamps.


Not poly stamps... KFS stamps.  KFS.ATL.GA on it.

Import stamp #74.

Copied from the stamp thread...
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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running-man

#88
February 25, 2016, 10:03:01 PM
Ahh, righto!  I've got poly on the brain tonight! :P
      

running-man

#89
February 25, 2016, 10:04:09 PM
Nice!  Anything else on the rest of the whole gun?  No 'China' or 7.62 anywhere?!
      

fenceline

#90
February 25, 2016, 10:06:31 PM
Quote from: running-man on February 25, 2016, 10:04:09 PM
Nice!  Anything else on the rest of the whole gun?  No 'China' or 7.62 anywhere?!

Nope.  Nothing except the Public Security markings on the right side.   :P

It is one of my favorite Chinese SKS, just for the quality of the wood stock.  The gun is all matching, including the stock.

RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Loose}{Cannon

#91
February 25, 2016, 10:14:29 PM
He's in Canada RM... 
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

fenceline

#92
February 25, 2016, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on February 25, 2016, 10:14:29 PM
He's in Canada RM...

Ya, but this SKS came out of the U.S. at some point.  Unless you are getting at something else.

Imported by KFS, sold by KFS, and then likely brought across the border before the ITAR stupidity spooled up, and before our firearm laws really took a dump in the early 90s.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Loose}{Cannon

#93
February 25, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Ah...  I was under the impression your gun was not US imported.
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

running-man

#94
February 25, 2016, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: fenceline on February 25, 2016, 10:18:35 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on February 25, 2016, 10:14:29 PM
He's in Canada RM...

Ya, but this SKS came out of the U.S. at some point.  Unless you are getting at something else.

Imported by KFS, sold by KFS, and then likely brought across the border before the ITAR stupidity spooled up, and before our firearm laws really took a dump in the early 90s.

It's a very nice gun.   thumb1

I knew it was a US import and then exported to Canada, but I'm still a bit perplexed that there's not more information on that stamp though.  Now that I know this stamp was done in '87 I'll have to look up what the firearms import requirements were back then and see what gives. 
      

fenceline

#95
February 25, 2016, 10:42:18 PM
Personally I'm quite glad I forked over the money for the certificate.  It is a nice addition to the gun. 

But that it is revealing some cool leads is even better.  Nothing earth shattering, but still steps forward.  Really happy about that.   dance2
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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fenceline

#96
February 25, 2016, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on February 25, 2016, 10:32:27 PM
Ah...  I was under the impression your gun was not US imported.

Nope, US gun.  I've liberated a few from you people hahaha.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Loose}{Cannon

#97
February 25, 2016, 10:48:27 PM
Yeah, I forgot this was about getting the certificate from here etc.  Call it a brain fart?
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

running-man

#98
February 25, 2016, 10:49:54 PM
If I hadn't brain farted with Poly != KFS just seven posts above, I'd say you were getting old man! dance2
      

fenceline

#99
February 25, 2016, 10:50:39 PM
Oh god, the gas, its contagious.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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