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Need some input on my sks

Started by spcamno, April 18, 2015, 02:07:53 PM

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spcamno

Hi there,

New member here and after reading the stickies I am still little uncertain what sks I have and here's the story:

I have a Chinese sks with no Chinese nor Soviet markings except the"n" on the rear sight serial number 01052xx.

The left side of the receiver is clean without any marking except the serial number it has spike bayonet, front side sling mount milled trigger guard and from reading the info here this should be manufactured between 56 to 57 is that correct?

Anybody knows more about the history or any info will be very much appreciated!

Loose}{Cannon

Sounds like you have one of the oddball serial guns that was scrubbed/remanufactured.  Only arsenal producung the sks up to 1968 or so was Jianshe /26\ and it would be marked accordingly.  It could be an ealier gun from jianshe that was scrubbed, or even a later model.

Pictures of the inside/outside of the receiver, barrel lug, markings etc will help narrow it down better.

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1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

running-man

Welcome to the boards SPC!  It certainly sounds like you have a scrubbed late import. One question Canada or the US?  If Canada, that 01 is likely the date of build/refurb.  If in the US, then the importer would certainly help, but the number is likely meaningless.
      

spcamno

Thank you both of you for your warm welcoming!

Yes, I am in Canada and purchased the rifle a few years ago from a reputable importer and at the time he advertise these Chinese sks were genuine military sks not commercial.

Anyway, I did remove the stock and found some markings may be you sks gurus can help me understand more on this rifle



On the left side of the receiver the only marking is 2C or 20 can't really cause the rifle is still in cosmo and I want to preserve it as much as I can and there is no marking that I can see on the right side of the receiver.

There is also "n" on the rear sight and marking on the bottom side of the stock us 1 with a square and a 5.

I should have wear latex glove because the funny smell of cosmo still lingering on my fingers as I type (lol).

Any idea what this is and from which year?

The rifle doesn't appears to be fired at all and looks immaculate even under the bolt and if I got a rare one I might as well keep it the way it is and don't want to shoot it.

Thank you in advance!

There is a number 12 and looks like kk on the bottom of the receiver near the front and I did found what looks like 1957 near the rear of the receiver

Loose}{Cannon

Thanks for the pics..  This is def a scrubbed and rebuilt rifle done in later years given the lack of markings, serial, its features, and evidence of the sides of the receiver and cover being resurfaced.

Based on the style of your rear sight block and receiver type, I would say it was originally a 10m or 11m /26\ gun from either 1965 or 1966.  The (n) rear sight would also be correct for this assessment. The #20 on the left/forward of the receiver is a mating number to your barrel which you will likely find the same # on the barrel lug.. same side.

Although scrubbed and re serialized, Its still a quality gun most likely originally from Jianshe like described above.
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

running-man

Quote from: spcamno on April 18, 2015, 10:54:06 PM


This is a pretty interesting barrel match number.  Typically, the numbers are stamped on the barrel lug and the flat of the receiver like this:

This one is on the receiver round with the lug looking pretty blank (to me anyhow, another 20 might be hiding under the grease)- that's something we simply don't see in the US.  That leads me to think that this gun was built/refurbed long after our Chinese type 56s stopped coming into the US (which was in 1994).

I think the 01 S/N prefix is definitely a date.  The Chinese did this with guns made for direct export to the US in the 90's:



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Now the question is, is the gun something that could have been built in '01, or was it simply refurbished in '01 from a gun made many years ago?  That's a tough one...

I can tell you this, that П on the rear sight is a Cyrillic "Pe".  Russian SKSs had this on all their rear sight leafs (leaves?  :)))  The Chinese utilized this type of sight well into the '60s and it was gradually changed to other versions such as a "D", "3", and "III".  Having this sight on a 'new' gun could mean that the new gun is made up of older components, or it could also mean that the new gun is actually an old gun that has been refurbished which I think is a bit more likely.  None of the stamps on the bottom of your receiver look like pre-1965 stamps to me...they look modern.  Again, they could have been put there on a new gun, or old guns could have ben srcrubbed of any previous markings and then these new stamps applied in their place. 

You might take a very close look at the gun, esp around the marked S/N's and see if they parts themselves have any grinding marks that would indicate maybe a previous S/N existed there before.  That might help narrow the question down some. 

As for having something special, it's a Chinese type 56 SKS, of course it's special!  thumb1  Rare and valuable, maybe not so much over any other generic SKS in Canada.  But refurbed or newly built in '01 means it should have quite a bit of life left in it!

Thanks for sharing this one!  thumb1
      

Loose}{Cannon

Yup..  I think RMs additional info is spot on.


1965/66 /26\ rebuilt in 2001
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

running-man

Ok, this photo is the money shot; I totally missed it before LC slapped me upside the head with it:

Quote from: spcamno on April 18, 2015, 10:54:06 PM

See how the receiver cover has flats to match the sides of the receiver?  Both have been ground down a bit in order to scrub the S/N and other markings on the receiver.  99% sure it's a scrubbed older gun, refurbished in '01 & not newly built from old parts in '01.

It could easily be a 65/66 Jianshe gun like LC says, *or* it could be from almost any year between '65 & '80 from one of the other smaller factories.  I think that's about as accurate as we're going to be able to pinpoint this one based on the features.
      

Loose}{Cannon

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I dunno RM...   that rsb dont seem too common on non 26 guns.  Possible due to using up old stock.. sure, but my money is on 1965/66 original build 26.
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.