Sig Sauer M17

[MxwllBkr]

I was fortunate enough to pick up a couple of the surplus MHS M17s fairly cheap, living up here in NH within 30 min of SIG has its benefits……. First one I paid 1k for and the second I traded a refurb m91/30 and a Tin of ammo  .

That second one has since been traded for a WWII Fp45 Liberator with original box/directions….

Still have the first one now with all the proper gear that would have been issued with it…

[jmaurer]

Wow, MxwllBkr! Like a friend of mine used to say: "You can't beat that with a stick!" Nice trade on the second one, too!

[running-man]

Ran across this on my twitter feed about an incident that just happened at F.E. Warren AFB  in Wyoming.  Interesting stuff:





With an article deescribing things a bit:
https://www.twz.com/land/sig-m18-pistols-pulled-from-use-by-air-force-global-strike-command

Which naturally gives this article discussing a uncommanded discharge while in the holster of a Michigan State Police officer a bit more credence:
https://www.twz.com/land/army-making-no-changes-to-its-sig-p320-derived-pistols-after-concerning-fbi-report

I had assumed they addressed and corrected this issue long ago, but it appears Sig has some bad publicity headed their way.

[Phosphorus32]

Very concerning. I wish Sig Sauer could straighten this out.

I fear they are so certain that there is no problem that they aren’t thoroughly examining the suspected issues and how to make the pistol sear engagement or other possible issues better.

Obviously, finding and admitting that another mechanical fix is needed for the P320 line could be financially costly to crippling, but so is there damaged reputation.

Personally, I’m not worried about handling my M17: it’s not my EDC; at the range, the only time it’s loaded is when it’s in my hand, and always pointed down range.

[pcke2000]

Looks like the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Authorized Officers (AOs) are no longer approved to carry all models of the SIG SAUER, Inc. P320 pistols, effective 9 July 2025. 

[RoscoeTurner]

Looking more and more looking like Sig stepped on it with both feet with the P320.

[running-man]

Looking more and more looking like Sig stepped on it with both feet with the P320.

Here's the Wyoming gun project videos he mentions in his video.  First talking about the F.E. Warren Incident:
https://youtu.be/PSAd2y5kgUk?si=hC8lOvEx-UxZuxCi

Then he talks about the ethics of selling a gun with a possible design flaw:
https://youtu.be/GTg7S7LiuCY?si=C6PUvNZL5IlhljnP

Then doing some testing of unintentional discharges with slight pressure on the trigger. I had seen snippets of this, but not the whole thing.  (It's long at 40 mins total length).
https://youtu.be/jOMQOtOQoPk?si=wfIVzM0PH5jY4rHj

First 5 minutes is very interesting.  1/2 mm (0.020") of play he's seeing on the slide is pretty significant considering that the slide contains the striker and the sear is in the frame.  Slight pressure on the trigger is all it takes to get it to go and to go repeatably.  There is going to be lots of talk about what constitutes a "trigger pull" in the near future I'd suspect.  Talk about your "hair trigger".

He has an update showing the play in the sear and other tidbits from the internals:
https://youtu.be/OYoxraSP5pY?si=WnzZ5kz3TSjPFaCi

Crazy that the secondary catch pawl on the sear is doing absolutely zero here.  The upgraded parts appear no better than the originals.

Sig's previous approach was to double and triple down on this one.  Their statement from earlier this year seems like it's going to come back to haunt them.  It's crazy, it reads like a friggen Trump rally speech:

NEWINGTON, N.H., (March 7, 2025) �" The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without a trigger pull �" that is a fact. The allegations against the P320 are nothing more than individuals seeking to profit or avoid personal responsibility.

Recently, anti-gun groups, members of the mainstream media, trial attorneys, and other uninformed and agenda-driven parties have launched attacks on one of SIG SAUER’s most trusted, most tested, and most popular products - the P320 pistol.  In all cases, these individuals have an ulterior motive behind their baseless allegations that the P320 can fire without a trigger pull; they have no evidence, no data and no empirical testing to support any of their claims. They instead choose to misrepresent clear, negligent discharges as a “design problem.”

In the decade since its introduction, the P320 has undergone the most rigorous testing and evaluation of any firearm, by military and law enforcement agencies around the world.  It consistently delivers a proven record of performance and reliability through state-of-the-art engineering, and documented quality control at every stage of its production. Claims that unintended discharges are anything more than negligent handling and/or manufactured lies to support an anti-gun, anti-SIG agenda are false.  Furthermore, lawsuits claiming that the P320 is capable of firing without the trigger being pulled have been dismissed in courtrooms around the country.  In addition, multiple plaintiffs’ so-called experts have conceded, it is not possible for the P320 to discharge unless the trigger is fully actuated.
The rhetoric is high, and we can no longer stay silent while lawsuits run their course, and clickbait farming, engagement hacking grifters continue their campaign to highjack the truth for profit. Enough is enough.  From the courts of law to the court of public opinion we will combat the lies and misinformation with the truth.  SIG SAUER stands behind the quality, safety, and design of all our products �" especially the P320. 

Industry, take notice; what’s happening today to SIG SAUER with the anti-gun mob and their lawfare tactics will happen tomorrow at another firearms manufacturer, and then another.  Today, for SIG SAUER - it ends.

Just yesterday there was a federal jury verdict in a case involving a Cambridge police officer:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/jury-finds-sig-p320-defectively-225100468.html

Interesting to note: Jacques Desrosiers won’t receive any “actual, compensatory, and punitive damages” after the jury sided with SIG that the officer “voluntarily and unreasonably used the P320 pistol knowing that it was defective and dangerous,” according to the verdict form.

Wait, what did I just read there?! 

[RoscoeTurner]

Another one featuring Brandon Herrera.