6 mil /26\ RIP

[running-man]

Ok.  roush306, not sure if you read this tiny board in a non-descript part of the net, but WTF?!

You win this gun: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/609417992 for $280.



Then you go and destroy the receiver just to part out the rest of the gun?! http://www.gunbroker.com/item/618947473


Unfreaking believable.  It's your money to do with as you wish, but destroying an uncommon gun from 1961 just to make a hundred bucks profit at most on eBay?  Honestly, who does that?! 

[Phosphorus32]

Ok.  roush306, not sure if you read this tiny board in a non-descript part of the net, but WTF?!

You win this gun: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/609417992 for $280.



Then you go and destroy the receiver just to part out the rest of the gun?! http://www.gunbroker.com/item/618947473


Unfreaking believable.  It's your money to do with as you wish, but destroying an uncommon gun from 1961 just to make a hundred bucks profit at most on eBay?  Honestly, who does that?!

The horror!  Why "chop shop-man", why?!  Couldn't you have just collected a couple thousand aluminum cans instead of going all ATF on the receiver if you desperately needed the money?

[Loose}{Cannon]

 

[Loose}{Cannon]

Wait...  Why would anyone buy two cut receivers for $55!?!

[bbush44]

Wait...  Why would anyone buy two cut receivers for $55!?!

I was trying to figure that out too? WTF?

[Greasemonkey]

Maybe so..... they could locate the barrel with receiver stub over on fleabay or where ever the guts and restore it. Get a SKS with out a FFL.

I don't think it's a valid ATF regulation destroyed receiver.. but who am I.

[running-man]

Yup, I agree GM.  Pretty iffy on the ATF destruction method there.  May still be considered a receiver and the seller & buyer on Gunbroker (for $55, who in their right mind buys a partial  SKS receiver for $55?!?!?!?) is committing an illegal transfer across state lines if that's the case. 

I dunno, sometimes I wish I didn't see the things I've seen! 

[newchi]

wtf is 'discreet paypal' ?   
This sounds beyond sketchy.

[Greasemonkey]

ATF Rul. 76-25[Status of ruling:  Active]
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has been asked to clarify the recordkeeping requirements for Title I firearms from which parts are salvaged for use in repairing firearms and the recordkeeping requirements for frames or receivers of firearms exchanged between customers and licensees.
Section 921(a)(3) of Title 18,United States Code, and the regulation sat 27 CFR 178.11 define the term "firearm"
to include any weapon which will, or is designed to, or may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive,and the frame or receiver of any such weapon.
The regulations in 27 CFR 178.122, 178.123 and 178.125 require
each licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, and licensed dealer, respectively, to maintain such records of acquisition (including by manufacture)or disposition, whether temporary or permanent, of firearms as there in prescribed. Held, a licensee who purchases a damaged firearm for the purpose of salvaging parts there from shall enter receipt of the firearm in his firearms acquisition and disposition record. If the frame or receiver of the firearm is damaged to the extent that it cannot be repaired, or if the licensee does not desire to repair the frame or receiver, he may destroy it and show the disposition of the firearm in his records as having been destroyed. Before a firearm may be considered destroyed, it must be cut, severed or mangled in such manner as to render the firearm completely inoperative and such that it cannot be restored to an operative condition. Where the repair of a customer's firearm results in an exchange of a frame or receiver, an entry shall be made in the licensee's records to show the transfer of such replacement part, as it is a "firearm"as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3).
Further, as held in ATF Ruling 74-20, 1974
ATF C.B. 61, a Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record, shall not be required to record the disposition of are placement firearm of the same kind and type where the firearm is delivered by the licensee to the person from whom the malfunctioning or damaged firearm was received. The frame or receiver received from the customer shall be entered as an acquisition, and if destroyed, it shall be entered in the disposition record as destroyed.
With regard to National Firearms Act firearms as defined in 26 U.S.C.5845(a), in addition to the above record keeping requirements, the registration and transfer procedures of 27 CFR Part 179 must be complied with.

From
https://www.atf.gov/file/55491/download

Now machine guns reduced to parts guns require torch cuts that are diagonal, removing at least a 1/4 inch of material and at least one of those cuts is directly through the receiver ring, Band saw/chop saw cuts are not allowed. These can in turn be sold legally, not requiring an FFL as parts kits.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/machinegun-destruction

Now even cut away trainer rifles/hand guns technically require a FFL for transfer, most of these can even though cut apart, can in theory still chamber and possibly even fire a round. 

People have made AK receivers out of a shovel head, so someone in theory, could repair those pieces to a functional weapon with the correct equipment if they by chance got both ends. Not something I would attempt, but for some, idle hands are the devils play ground. Take the info for what it's worth, I don't speak lawyerese, and it's a way grey subject.. 

wtf is 'discreet paypal' ?   
This sounds beyond sketchy.

Friends and family I'm guessing...so there is no service charge...but wait.... Paypal is not firearms industry friendly or even allow firearms transactions, so if the seller throws one up in you...you pretty much have no recourse of actions what so ever, cause you violated their user terms for firearm related stuff.

[Power Surge]

wtf is 'discreet paypal' ?   
This sounds beyond sketchy.

It's not sketchy. You need to be very discreet paying for anything firearms related with paypal. They are very anti-gun, and they can shut down your account over something as simple as a magazine. If you're going to purchase anything firearms related with paypal, it's best to make sure nothing in the transaction mentions firearms. You will lose your buyers protection this way obviously, but that's the price you pay to use paypal for firearms. Been like this for a while now.

[newchi]

aww, i was imagining something way seedier.

[firstchoice]

Ok.  roush306, not sure if you read this tiny board in a non-descript part of the net, but WTF?!

You win this gun: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/609417992 for $280.



Then you go and destroy the receiver just to part out the rest of the gun?! http://www.gunbroker.com/item/618947473


Unfreaking believable.  It's your money to do with as you wish, but destroying an uncommon gun from 1961 just to make a hundred bucks profit at most on eBay?  Honestly, who does that?! 

Wow. That '61 /26\ could've been made to look dang nice again, too. I don't know the "what was matching" history of the now "history" DB, but this guy must feel if their not ALL-MATCHING guns, they're just good for "parts". Maybe I should contact him and tell him I have that matching SN stock for the '61? 

Between the irreversible Bubba's, the LE confiscated and destroyed SKS, and the eBay parting-out guys, who knows the rate at which we're losing SKS across the gammut of Simonov varieties? And don't forget Bloomberg's, (and the other idiots like him),  "buybacks" that are destroyed for those anti-gun feel good moments.

I have the FSB with barrel stub off of a beautiful all-matching Romy that a LE guy wanted to tacticool all up. I almost caught the matching bayo and some other parts but was too slow on the fast click. The guy actually made me promise not to tell who it was (on the other board) so he wouldn't get such a hard time for doing it.    I still gave him a ration of shiite for doing it. If I could have just caught him before he did the deed, I could have supplied him with a "factory" Para, and he could've went to town on that instead. 

I thought about the "bright side", where each one gone increases the value of the ones left, but after seeing this...



...the "bright side" seems a bit drab. 

firstchoice

[newchi]

the eBay parting-out guys,

A pox on all those who buy parts from ebay!

[Justin Hell]

Of all the crap I buy on eBay, I never have bought a thing from him. The opening bid is usually market price, with an insidious buy it now. I had a feeling he was buying guns and parting them out. I wondered about the receivers....and hoped he was just good at getting on the police auctions.

I am disgusted by his disregard as much as I am his carpet.

I recently had interaction with him asking a question, my typical very explicitly detailed message was responded to by what appeared to be voice activated text, a less than one line response...later I saw he modified his auction description to include info extrapolated from the message...but in a reworded, kind of underhanded manner.
Can you actually block sellers from appearing on eBay? Blocking him would save tons of bandwidth.

[Power Surge]

I'm not defending him because I dislike what he does as well, but let's look at a different view...

There's a pretty good chance he doesn't know the significance of a 6 mil SKS. I mean, it's just another old /26\ gun really. It just happens to have a lower production, and anyone who isn't a member here probably wouldn't know that.

And realistically.... would anyone here have bought it, even if it was a complete rifle?  There was another 6 mil on GB not long ago that was on there for months, for a really good price, that I kept pointing out here on the forum and nobody wanted it. So what's REALLY the demand for one... 

[running-man]

(Note: I split this topic away from the 6, 1.5 and 1.6 mil /26\ serial data thread.)

It could be Sal, it could be. My issue isn't based on the fact that it's an uncommon gun. It's more in the way that he's parting out these guns in the first place. Destroying the receiver (using questionable means) so he can sell them w/o sending to an FFL is pretty low in my opinion. If he doesn't have an FFL and he wants to continue this as a business, he should break down and get one. Then he wouldn't have to completely destroy pieces of history like this.

[Loose}{Cannon]

When I bought mine, it had a plastic stock like this. I simply added a correct config early china stock and now its a nice gun.  Thats the issue I have with this..... He could (and apparently does) chop crap up that may be more valuable whole rather parted out.  He obviously don't take the time to find out prior. 

Just wait until he gets a Soviet Sino in his choppin paws.....  Or worse.

[Greasemonkey]

(Note: I split this topic away from the 6, 1.5 and 1.6 mil /26 serial data thread.)

It could be Sal, it could be. My issue isn't based on the fact that it's an uncommon gun. It's more in the way that he's parting out these guns in the first place. Destroying the receiver (using questionable means) so he can sell them w/o sending to an FFL is pretty low in my opinion. If he doesn't have an FFL and he wants to continue this as a business, he should break down and get one. Then he wouldn't have to completely destroy pieces of history like this.

True.. I totally disagree with the method and question it's legality really, really hard, I mean how....sketchy... I kind of disagree with the reasoning...

But the ugly truth.....and on the flip side of the blade, yes, tearing apart "pieces of history like this" sucks... but think, ask ones self, how many 1000 times more historical and valuable have a company like Numrich and other parts houses broke down a weapon and sold it for the sum of the parts, how many Lugers, how many German Mausers, M1903s, Colt 1911s, Garands, M1 Carbines, multitude of nations Mausers, Arisakas, Broomhandles and hundreds of other weapons have been chopped, diced, minced, binned, boxed and shipped all in the name of parts over the past 50-70 years, and not a fricken tear was shed.

Why.....

Because there is no parts made, no parts have been made for how many years, maybe half a century or more, there are no magical gun parts chickens laying parts filled eggs, surplus parts usually come from surplus weapons. To make all these necessary "surplus" parts in todays time, imagine the cost and nightmare of the logistics and needed equipment. The final nail in the coffin is the vicious circle of surplus firearm life. Bubba dicks them up and purist tries to restore them, where does said parts to feed either side come from? And then you have the normal breakage of parts, Bubba, purists, and the parts breaker alike, all demand the parts, he and the like, supply the parts...

[newchi]

I say rat him out to whoever it is that is in charge of such things down there (atf?) and then