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Started by Dirtydawg81, January 25, 2017, 03:17:34 PM

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Dirtydawg81

New to your fourm,  I'm looking into sending my trigger group out to Murrays.  Want to eliminate the chance of slam fire. Looking for some feed back from you guys with experience.  What should I have done to it?
Question number two, do I have to play the 922r game if Im turning my rifle back to a wood stock from a bubba stock with the ten round fixed mag ? Thanks for any feedback.

Power Surge

Your trigger has nothing to do with slam fire. Slam fire is when the firing pin is stuck in the forward position, sticking out of the bolt so it ignites the primer when you feed the round into the chamber.

Slam fire on an sks is mostly caused by people not cleaning the cosmoline out of the firing pin channel, and it then getting gummed up with crap. Just clean your firing pin channel and you'll be just fine.... like the other millions of sks's out there.

Don't worry about the 922r stuff. That law was designed for importers. Nobody is going to bust your chops for how your sks is built and from what parts.

Dirtydawg81

Thanks for the reply,  totally new to the scene. I'll keep on reading.

Justin Hell

What can happen with an iffy SKS trigger involves sear engagement, which would be something a trigger job would address. This would possibly cause accidental discharge of an SKS even with the safety on and the trigger not pulled, by either dropping it or sometimes causing a somewhat mild shock. This can cause the hammer to fall, and if there is a round in the chamber, it will go off. This is not what is commonly called a slam fire...despite the description being quite appropriate.

When describing a slam fire, it is as Power Surge explained.  Two different causes for accidental discharge...technically slam fires tend to be worse...emptying a mag when you charge it, likely not ready for it to happen can often end in tragedy.

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take a look at u/tube, lots of good vids on cleaning the firing pin and even the whole rifle.  :o
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Justin Hell

You can check whether your sear engagement is good, questionable, or bad by removing the receiver cover, and the bolt and carrier.

Once you can see from the top, you will see your hammer. Take the safety off, and steady the rifle as secure as you can...as what you are looking for is very easy to miss if you move even a little.  Pull the trigger very slowly, and watch what the hammer does. If it pulls back slightly before letting the hammer fall, you are golden. If it holds still, do it again...several times...make certain it really is holding still. This is where you are probably ok, but could stand for some sear adjustment to cause it to pull rearward first...which is best.

NOW IF...it creeps forward slightly as you pull the trigger. DO NOT EVER load the gun until you have this addressed...it is a prime candidate for accidental discharge.  I have one like this...it scares the hell out of me...it is a project gun, and that is a major issue to address...it trips very easily.

Your safest way to keep an SKS is without a round in the chamber, accomplished by pushing down on the rounds as you close the carrier slowly, not allowing the bolt to strip off a round. There is really no reason to keep one in the chamber...if you need that...you should probably have another gun for that purpose. :)

A properly adjusted trigger will eliminate that problem, if done by a reputable gunsmith, who is looking at more than just trigger creep and pull.

Power Surge

Quote from: Justin Hell on January 25, 2017, 05:27:09 PM
You can check whether your sear engagement is good, questionable, or bad by removing the receiver cover, and the bolt and carrier.

Once you can see from the top, you will see your hammer. Take the safety off, and steady the rifle as secure as you can...as what you are looking for is very easy to miss if you move even a little.  Pull the trigger very slowly, and watch what the hammer does. If it pulls back slightly before letting the hammer fall, you are golden. If it holds still, do it again...several times...make certain it really is holding still. This is where you are probably ok, but could stand for some sear adjustment to cause it to pull rearward first...which is best.

NOW IF...it creeps forward slightly as you pull the trigger. DO NOT EVER load the gun until you have this addressed...it is a prime candidate for accidental discharge.  I have one like this...it scares the hell out of me...it is a project gun, and that is a major issue to address...it trips very easily.

Your safest way to keep an SKS is without a round in the chamber, accomplished by pushing down on the rounds as you close the carrier slowly, not allowing the bolt to strip off a round. There is really no reason to keep one in the chamber...if you need that...you should probably have another gun for that purpose. :)

A properly adjusted trigger will eliminate that problem, if done by a reputable gunsmith, who is looking at more than just trigger creep and pull.

Almost every SKS I have owned or worked on, had negative sear engagement from the factory. From a safety standpoint, negative sear engagement is a no-no. But, on the SKS, the travel of the trigger off the sear block is so long, it's pretty impossible for the sear to drop on it's own. Most guns have sear engagements measured in thousands of an inch, where the SKS has almost a 1/4" of sear engagement movement.

When I do an SKS trigger job, I DO make the angle just about neutral with a very slight bit of positive. You don't want too much positive, because positive sear also increases trigger pull.

Loose}{Cannon

I have never seen 1/4" sear/hammer engagement.    :-\

I also wouldn't go bumping the loaded carbine on the floor by the butt with neg engagement.    :o
      
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Quote from: Power Surge on January 25, 2017, 03:30:32 PM

Slam fire on an sks is mostly caused by people not cleaning the cosmoline out of the firing pin channel, and it then getting gummed up with crap.


Remember, these things were designed for soviet conscript peasants who probably couldn't spell SKS.  But relativity speaking they had masters degrees compared to the people who need a 'contents may be hot' warning on their beverage cup at the drive thru these days.

Everyone you meet will tell you their best way of cleaning the firing pin, its whatever suits your situation i guess.

Dirtydawg81

Quote from: Dirtydawg81 on January 25, 2017, 03:17:34 PM
New to your fourm,  I'm looking into sending my trigger group out to Murrays.  Want to eliminate the chance of slam fire. Looking for some feed back from you guys with experience.  What should I have done to it?
Question number two, do I have to play the 922r game if Im turning my rifle back to a wood stock from a bubba stock with the ten round fixed mag ? Thanks for any feedback.

Dirtydawg81

Sorry for the duplicate post, hit the wrong button.   Thanks everyone  for  replying.  Today I checked out a couple of example videos on the trigger pull, seems to me I have a negative pull.  This weekend I'll give the firing pin chamber a good cleaning since it's sat in the safe for five years.
   I did receive a new wood stock for it today " no more bubba" it looks a hell of alot better.

Power Surge

Quote from: Dirtydawg81 on January 26, 2017, 08:37:05 PM
Sorry for the duplicate post, hit the wrong button.   Thanks everyone  for  replying.  Today I checked out a couple of example videos on the trigger pull, seems to me I have a negative pull.  This weekend I'll give the firing pin chamber a good cleaning since it's sat in the safe for five years.
   I did receive a new wood stock for it today " no more bubba" it looks a hell of alot better.

The whole slam fire thing is kind of blown out of proportion, but I admit that when I first got an SKS, you do come across a lot of things online that scare people about it.

Here's a real simple test to make sure your firing pin is pretty much good to go.....  Shake the bolt back and forth and you should hear the firing pin freely moving back and forth inside the bolt.

As for the trigger, they pretty much all have negative engagement. That's how the sear is produced. At least, on the several dozen SKSs that I have owned and worked on. If it bothers you, I can rework your trigger assembly for you.

Loose}{Cannon

The bigger issue is FP hole valcanoing causing popped primers that wedge themselves in the channel locking up the FP.... causing a slamfire.   

Stone the face and micro bevel...  thumb1
      
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Quote from: Power Surge on January 26, 2017, 09:45:49 PM

The whole slam fire thing is kind of blown out of proportion, but I admit that when I first got an SKS, you do come across a lot of things online that scare people about it.


I kind of agree :)

Little trivia  :)  M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1941 Johnson, M1A, M14s, Aks, ARs, PSL, MAS 49/56, Mini 14 and Mini 30s and many, many other rifles have a free floating firing pin.  :)  A free floating firing pin just ain't a SKS thing.....  it's a whole lot of things.. I have many free floating pin rifles, never one slam fire. I got my SKS 18 years ago.. nope, no slam fire yet.

Can they do it, sure they can...but it's pretty easy to prevent. thumb1

If you pop a primer, stop and check it, better yet, just quit firing it, take it apart and check it for debris and check the pin for straighness before you even return it to service, do not oil the pin or the pin channel, polish the pin with a scotch brite pad to remove any burrs, everytime it's out check it for straightness, clean it, clean it again and keep it clean.
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Quote from: Power Surge on January 26, 2017, 09:45:49 PM
The whole slam fire thing is kind of blown out of proportion, but I admit that when I first got an SKS, you do come across a lot of things online that scare people about it.

The urban legend about a bunch of gangbangers being killed when their car hit a bump in the road and caused an SKS they had to slam fire doesn't help.  That BS was what my mother cited for why she wouldn't buy one, when I asked her for one when I turned 18.  That was when you could get them for $75.  We'll never see those prices again.  cry1