1949 Ey41 with a BLADE Bayonet

[summum]

This is my second post which I wanted for the longest time to share with you all.

This is my 1949 Ey41 refurbished with Bayonet first SKS out of four I initially purchased which I hope you will like as much as I do. To the specialist on 1949, I welcome your thought and input about it.

Pictures could be better but with the day light was difficult to have them better which I will retake on a sunny day to help me with the pic's.

https://ibb.co/album/tqypwn?sort=date_asc

[Boris Badinov]

This is my second post which I wanted for the longest time to share with you all.

This is my 1949 Ey41 refurbished with Bayonet first SKS out of four I initially purchased at Auction which I hope you will like as much as I do. To the specialist on 1949, I welcome your thought and input about it.

Pictures could be better but with the day light was difficult to have them better which I will retake on a sunny day to help me with the pic's.

https://ibb.co/album/tqypwn?sort=date_asc

That's a great looking first year example.  Always a relief to see the pinned magazines instead of the franken-weld--- especially 1949 exmaples. 


The stock has  some issues, though. If I had to guess it is post import mock-up. 
The 1949 date on a stock cut for a blade bayonet is a red flag for sure. There are other issues with the stock, but the early date stamp paired with that style of stock are the most obvious.  The stock appears to be 100% soviet. The Tula arsenal stamp is likely original, but all other stock stampings appear to have been added by the importer, which is not uncommon among the Canadian imports. 

[summum]

The stock has  some issues, though. If I had to guess it is post import mock-up. 

The 1949 date on a stock cut for a blade bayonet is a red flag for sure. There are other issues with the stock, but the early date stamp paired with that style of stock are the most obvious.  The stock appears to be 100% soviet. The Tula arsenal stamp is likely original, but all other stock stampings appear to have been added by the importer, which is not uncommon among the Canadian imports.

Sorry for the late reply to your comments which I can appreciate.

I am wondering why it has the blade thus through another collector I found out that some 1949 SKS's were built with a blade on certain production line during the period of November / December 1949 where a transition was made from the Spike Bayonet to the Blade Bayonet where even early 1950 could be found with a Spike.

Then Again, It has on the Arctic birch wood stock the Diamond indicating it was refurbished but was it? On the butt stock we can see the Russian Tula Star with the arrow pointing up with the year also stamped which I have not seen on refurbished stock.

That being said I would like to pick your mind on this being a new collector.

Thanks in advance to you and any other Russian SKS enthusiastic

[jstin2]

I was asked by Sunnum about his 49. I told him that in my opinion that there was a good chance that blade bayonets were put on 49's during the transition period on some of the production lines. I could not see that Tula would wait until all the spikes were used up or Feb. 2nd 1950. This was my opinion only and I have no proof that it happened. But, if you think about it, it does makes sense.

[Greatguns]

I can tell you one thing for sure though, the bayonet is on upside-down. The blade needs to be flipped 180 in the collar. The year and serial stampings on the stock butt don't look quite right either (may just be the lighting). Makes me think it was refurbished and a replacement stock was used that was cut for a blade. Possibly went through inspections and thus stamped accordingly or something. Also, was the U stamped rear sight leaf used on '49s? it looks 'newer' as well.

[running-man]

summum, your carbine originally turned up on the 'net way back in 2014.  I have a decent set of photos from what I assume to be the previous owner. 

That blade bayonet is a more recent addition, this carbine sported a spike way back then even though it didn't fit into the stock groove and clearly wouldn't have left Russia in a config where the bayo couldn't close properly.  The stock ferrule is the later (tall) version with a V cut, but it is not welded like many of the '49 and transitional '50 carbines that sport blades.  Hard to really say much more about this carbine.  Either the gun originally came with a blade and the previous owner tried to force a spike onto it, it came with no bayo and the previous owner found a spike and put it on since that was 'correct' for a '49, or it came with a spike and the stock and stock ferrule have been swapped out for some inane reason.  The stock is quite interesting on this one, the cartouche and crossbolt stamps are quite deep and well defined but the S/N lacks the prefix and the right stock acceptance stamp is almost gone with a quite unusual diamond 0 stamp.  Very Westrifle like.  All that gave me enough heebie jeebies to file this carbine in the 'Probable 1949' folder in my records. 

While jstin's hypothesis is very logical there is little evidence I know of that supports it.  The blade 49's have always been a bit of a red headed step-child in the SKS45 world.  They are much more similar to the transitional 50's than they are like known 49's, especially the 49's with early feature sets.  It will probably be one of those things we simply won't know with much certainty until some great breakthrough happens from Russian researchers. 

Beautiful carbine though.  Definitely a nice addition to the collection. 

[summum]

summum, your carbine originally turned up on the 'net way back in 2014.  I have a decent set of photos from what I assume to be the previous owner. 

That blade bayonet is a more recent addition, this carbine sported a spike way back then even though it didn't fit into the stock groove and clearly wouldn't have left Russia in a config where the bayo couldn't close properly.  The stock ferrule is the later (tall) version with a V cut, but it is not welded like many of the '49 and transitional '50 carbines that sport blades.  Hard to really say much more about this carbine.  Either the gun originally came with a blade and the previous owner tried to force a spike onto it, it came with no bayo and the previous owner found a spike and put it on since that was 'correct' for a '49, or it came with a spike and the stock and stock ferrule have been swapped out for some inane reason. The stock is quite interesting on this one, the cartouche and crossbolt stamps are quite deep and well defined but the S/N lacks the prefix and the right stock acceptance stamp is almost gone with a quite unusual diamond 0 stamp.  Very Westrifle like.  All that gave me enough heebie jeebies to file this carbine in the 'Probable 1949' folder in my records. 

Wow and Thank you running-man for looking into it more dept for my 1949 SKS that I posted.

Such mystery with theses Russian SKS that's makes it so interesting and again having great people like yourself that has access to more data and have seen so many that acquired amazing knowledge.

I like to think that the spike was added to reflect the 1949's style of manufacturing thus like I have learned that the 1949 stock was made a certain way to ascertain the spike bayonet. Again, the previous owner maybe with the feedback provided in the past decided to re-install the blade bayonet. In this case we can possibly know that it was either build towards the end of 1949 with a blade bayonet and fitted with a stock that accommodate a blade bayonet which was a change made on the production lines for 1950's SKS at one point.

Again,I am please to have it in your "Probable 1949" folder and thank you for your kind words about my carbine which I pleased to have in my collection.

[jstin2]

What determines if it has a spike or blade bayonet is the stock ferrule. The stock ferrule for a spike is smaller and has no groove, while the blade ferrule is larger and has a groove for the blade to sit in. Also the spike ferrule is bottom pinned, while the blade ferrule is top pinned. Also a spike stock will not fit in a bladed rifle, while a  bladed stock can be modified to fit, but results are usually ugly.

[summum]

What determines if it has a spike or blade bayonet is the stock ferrule. The stock ferrule for a spike is smaller and has no groove, while the blade ferrule is larger and has a groove for the blade to sit in. Also the spike ferrule is bottom pinned, while the blade ferrule is top pinned. Also a spike stock will not fit in a bladed rifle, while a  bladed stock can be modified to fit, but results are usually ugly.

Thank you jstin2

I sincerely appreciate the information followed by the pictures which is always a nice touch.

[theSKSguy45]

Nice rifle. Looks very much like the story behind my 1949. Unfortunately I ended up being the one putting it back to original and eating the cost.

[summum]

Thank you for your kind comments about my SKS,

It is interesting to have a 1949 SKS with a Blade Bayonet and with all the different comments/information I received, make it a great addition to my new collection.

Cheers