1950 Transitional (PIC HEAVY)

[reddragon23]

The Russkies could have had thousands of ferrules made when blade change occurred  and used / reworked loose ferrule inventory. And it would have been easier to rework the ferrule with V and weld vs. pulling and replacing ferrule on any 49 and 50 spike bayo which came in for refub. the ferrule on this one is much flatter than a ferrule on a 53 I have. The later ferrule has a radius stamping.   

[pcke2000]

Ferrule on 1949s with the spike bayonet has very different size compared to that on later versions with the blade bayonet.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Ferrule on 1949s with the spike bayonet has very different size compared to that on later versions with the blade bayonet.

Bingo...

That is not a 'reworked' spiker ferrule. 

[running-man]

Which isn't?  I see reworked '49 ferrules throughout this thread, anything with the spot weld (ground or not) is too short to be a mid '50 or later produced ferrule.  Only refurbed blade fit 49's and the transitional 50's have this feature, I've never seen it on anything else. 

[Loose}{Cannon]

Maybe its my phone, but that ferrule don't look as short and stubby as a 49.    We have side/side pics of a reworked stubby next to a post 50?

[running-man]

Pcke sent me this one.  '49 on the left vs a '54 on the right.  Kind of hard to tell the diff, but I believe that the '54 is taller by a bit and also has softer edges. 

I wonder if a side shot of each would be clearer?  Or perhaps one with the bayos extended?  Pcke, think you can gin up something where the contrast is a bit more noticeable?

Does anyone have a blade bayo '49 or a transitional '50 with the spot weld that they can put side by side with a post '51 ferrule?

[Phosphorus32]

Besides the weld and cut notch, should we also be looking at the milled (like in Pat's original post) vs. stamped feature of the ferrules?

[running-man]

There you go Jon!  Glad someone's thinking because it certainly isn't me! 

That would probably be the easiest telltale sign to look for.  Requires removing the action from the stock though.    This is beginning to be actual work! 

[Phosphorus32]

This is beginning to be actual work! 

True.  And pictures of the interior of the ferrule are going to be far harder to come by than the exterior ferrule shots. The stamped ones are certainly rounded on the edges, and the milled ones (generally, always?) have squarer edges. I have certainly not seen enough of these to say if "square edges is definitive of milled ferrules, since they may have had a chamfer or radius ground into them at refurb? A high enough resolution pic should show any such grinding marks.  A fair amount of hand-waving there, but I'm in my "consider all the angles" mode.

[Loose}{Cannon]

Bah..    I for some reason remember the 49 ferrule I had having an even shorter profile.

[reddragon23]

Bah..    I for some reason remember the 49 ferrule I had having an even shorter profile.

like this

[Loose}{Cannon]

That be it.  Of course, its hard to discern exactly how 'long' any given ferrule is in pictures by itself.  I think a known measurement of the two would go a long way in easy identification. 

[reddragon23]

That be it.  Of course, its hard to discern exactly how 'long' any given ferrule is in pictures by itself.  I think a known measurement of the two would go a long way in easy identification.

True, numbers don't lie.  The question arises, then did current refurb sks with 49 dust covers and blade bayonets, have the ferrule replaced?  Just eyeballing the photo, there seems no room to cut V in 49 spike ferrule without getting into cleaning rod.  Too bad there are no 90 year old Russki's that worked in sks factory on facebook to ask questions.

[newchi]

So, what year(s) did the takedown lever have the hole in it? 

[running-man]

So, what year(s) did the takedown lever have the hole in it? 

'49 and early '50. (and '48, but those were likely considered prototypes considering how few of those have turned up)

[newchi]

thanks, i have a 50 without, and my dad has one with it.