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Gangbanger's DB?

Started by Phosphorus32, September 25, 2016, 10:59:02 PM

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Phosphorus32

Picked up this DB (Lushun) in a beat up stock from Sierra Auction in Phoenix, AZ.  They move a lot of police (narco) seizure vehicles and other merchandise, so I'm speculating that this was not a consignment from a collector's estate  :))  I wanted a DB, and this'll be a good placeholder until a nicer one comes along.





Apparently the only parts that belong to the DB are the barreled receiver and direct attachments. The other parts all match another SKS, and I would guess they are not from a DB since three of the numbers in the SN of the receiver are present in the SN of the donor parts, and they all exhibit font variations from the receiver SN.





I don't have many late SKSs so I don't recall if it's common to have numbers on the barrel and receiver, in this case, 4-4-72-8 and 9-2-71-11 respectively. 






Assembly or Part Numbers  :-\  I don't recall seeing this pattern of numbers on SKS before, but it's probably just me.  It has 06-721 on the firing pin; 06-722 on the bolt, bolt carrier, and gas piston; 06-723 on the op rod; and just 06 on the face of the extractor.









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Phosphorus32

I know this one's a bit frustrating because you can't match the parts to an arsenal, if my assumption that they aren't from another DB is correct.  It was dirty, sooty and carbon fouled when I got it but the bluing beneath the gunk was excellent.

running-man

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Could be Jon.  I've not seen the XX-721/2/3 markings on other parts besides receivers and bolts.  That the firing pin has one is really interesting!  Looks to be either a part number like on the Yugos or perhaps a month/year designator.  The 721/2/3 might even be some kind of arsenal indicator if this Shenyang gun is indicative of the DB/DP production runs:


In fact, now that I think about it, there are a large number of DB/DPs that have 711/721/722/723 prefixes.  Many don't have them in large font like the above example though.  I wonder if they must have some connection with the large 7(x) codes on many [] arsenal receivers too?  I've leaned towards 1970 and 1971 dates on those ones, but they could certainly be something else entirely.  Very interesting!  thumb1
      

Phosphorus32

Great, thanks.  So the presence of these 721/2/3 numbers are characteristic of DB or DP production?  The leading 72 may be the year?

I wonder if the 71 and 72 in the 4 part receiver and barrel numbers are also indicative of year.  my first guess would be day-month-year-indexing number of that part produced that day...but I'm just waving my hands now  didnt do  With the low output of these factories I wouldn't be completely shocked to see different years of manufacture for even the receivers and barrels.

Oh, and it does have a cleaning rod. I have a bad habit of leaving those on the bench after cleaning and reassembly  :))

running-man

The 4 part barrel and receiver numbers are likely some type of iteration of the 3 digit numbers we found previously: http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=1314.msg16142#msg16142

I was thinking the three digit ones were in the ammo crate style of XXX-YY-ZZZ being lot number-year-factory.  Two digit or four digit kind of tosses that on its head, though maybe the first digit is a month code or some other unique "born on" identifier.
      

Loose}{Cannon

These are one of the VERY few that dont seem to follow any normal dating method we have seen.  I would love to nail these down, and these numbers Im convinced is the key.   
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

Phosphorus32

Quote from: running-man on September 26, 2016, 12:35:07 PM
The 4 part barrel and receiver numbers are likely some type of iteration of the 3 digit numbers we found previously: http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=1314.msg16142#msg16142

I was thinking the three digit ones were in the ammo crate style of XXX-YY-ZZZ being lot number-year-factory.  Two digit or four digit kind of tosses that on its head, though maybe the first digit is a month code or some other unique "born on" identifier.

Yeah, a bit puzzling. There are a number of potential schemes for the numbers.

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on September 26, 2016, 07:57:46 PM
These are one of the VERY few that dont seem to follow any normal dating method we have seen.  I would love to nail these down, and these numbers Im convinced is the key.

It'd be great to see a lot of examples. There aren't a ton of these out there and few people post every last detail like I do  chuckles1