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Started by AK shooter, May 06, 2015, 06:55:11 PM

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CARBINE

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on May 07, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
As I see it...  All non-furb Russos are less common to refurbed russos so therefore are more desired and collectible.

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Worm

Quote from: CARBINE on May 07, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: Worm on May 07, 2015, 07:37:20 AM
May I chime in here?

The term rare is an overused term. Someone may come here, read that a letter "D" is rare, and then presto, the next "D" is $1,000+ on GB because he just had to have it.

No, a letter gun Russian is not rare.. Oh, well it's in laminate? Still doesn't make the gun rare. It may be uncommon, but certainly not rare. An EG is rare, an NK is, an Early M21 is.

There are less IC's than there are Russian letter guns, and are IC's rare? Nope, just an ucommon variant.

K9, I don't mean to push any buttons, but what evidence has you thinking the exexDDR's are still German when there was no true evidence to begin with?

/1\ is a refurb mark, just like the hex marks found in the same locations, which is also a refurb mark, and others.

I thought uncommon and rare have the same meaning think1, sorry guys but this gun is rare if your collecting the russian sks in general, not as rare if collecting all varients of sks.
Thats just my opinion..

I understand your point. But just to point out.. there is always a scale when collecting, and don't take this personal, I'm sure you have many more expensive SKS's than me.

But rare is not uncommon, it's rare. It's the uncommon uncommon ones. The scale is not just Rare... And common.

Put it this way, what would you call something halfway to rare then? If you tell a noobie that an NK is rare, and then you say a Russian letter series is rare too. Are they going to realize the vast difference? Not really..

Rare, uncommon, common. 👍

Not.. Ultra rare, a little rare, rare, common.

Loose}{Cannon

Are you talking about 'finding a conservative in the city' rare...  or 'find a woman that wont vote for Hillary' rare?
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

Greasemonkey

Ok, look at production
A typical..30-06 rifle, made during same time frame.
M1 Garand 6.25 million made total,
M47 Madsen round about 7000 made.

Which is rarer?   Break the M1 Garand production down in to manufacture, wartime, post war, bring back, serial blocks, refurb, yadda yadda, the M1 can in someways maybe out do the Madsen in rarity. But, in general overall production, the Madsen will trump the Garand in rarity.

How many letter series were made vs. non letter series, what was est. production of each series, how many imported vs. not imported,  alot of variables, some are unknown.
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Leave the gun, take the cannoli.

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K-9

By rare, I meant to compliment the OP.  That's all.  It is a fine specimen.   thumb1

Also, I haven't claimed the ex-"ex-DDR" was German.  That's why I called it an ex-ex-DDR.  It isn't from Liski, though.  I have no idea why someone stamped some of the stocks and handguards sideways.  We may never know.

The Liski theory was proposed by some who took a Mosin Nagant post and believed it applied to the SKS.  The images shown for Mosin Nagant /1\ are clear and stamped, unlike the barely perceptible mark on the SKS.  This post shows the original source information and it has nothing to do with the SKS.  But that is a topic for another thread. 

Hey, someone has to stir the pot!   :)

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166




Loose}{Cannon

#1:   A /1\ is a /1\…  your looking at guns stamped some 20-40 years apart from one another. Its not like they are from dif contries. I seriously doubt they would have TWO meanings for the same symbol as that defeats the entire purpose.   thumb1

#2:  RM may have the pics saved somewhere, but there are horizontal stock stamped guns with oyher hexagonal pattern stamps from that same list that are in the exact same location as the /1\.

#3: These refurb stamps are not a theory.

#4:  Now we are getting beyond off topic, but this discussion should continue.  You should most def start a new thread....  I'm lookin forward to it.   :)
      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

AK shooter

Quote from: K-9 on May 08, 2015, 02:56:29 AM
By rare, I meant to compliment the OP.  That's all.  It is a fine specimen.   thumb1

Also, I haven't claimed the ex-"ex-DDR" was German.  That's why I called it an ex-ex-DDR.  It isn't from Liski, though.  I have no idea why someone stamped some of the stocks and handguards sideways.  We may never know.

The Liski theory was proposed by some who took a Mosin Nagant post and believed it applied to the SKS.  The images shown for Mosin Nagant /1\ are clear and stamped, unlike the barely perceptible mark on the SKS.  This post shows the original source information and it has nothing to do with the SKS.  But that is a topic for another thread. 

Hey, someone has to stir the pot!   :)

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166





I have a mosin with that /1\ mark. I don't know what it means, some post I have read say it's a German mark some say it's not, I have no idea.


Loose}{Cannon

Thats kinda what we got sidetracked on AK...   The below document is a list of russian refurb locations that came straight from a Russian source.  See if you can spot anything interesting.

      
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms... It doesn't matter how many Lenins you get out on the street begging for them to be taken.

AK shooter

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on May 08, 2015, 08:55:52 AM
Thats kinda what we got sidetracked on AK...   The below document is a list of russian refurb locations that came straight from a Russian source.  See if you can spot anything interesting.



It's all good. Looks like this is going to be a nice place to hang out.

Greasemonkey

Quote from: K-9 on May 08, 2015, 02:56:29 AM
By rare, I meant to compliment the OP.  That's all.  It is a fine specimen.   thumb1

Also, I haven't claimed the ex-"ex-DDR" was German.  That's why I called it an ex-ex-DDR.  It isn't from Liski, though.  I have no idea why someone stamped some of the stocks and handguards sideways.  We may never know.

The Liski theory was proposed by some who took a Mosin Nagant post and believed it applied to the SKS.  The images shown for Mosin Nagant /1\ are clear and stamped, unlike the barely perceptible mark on the SKS.  This post shows the original source information and it has nothing to do with the SKS.  But that is a topic for another thread. 

Hey, someone has to stir the pot!   :)

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166





Are you talking about the triangle where the barrel mates up with the reciever?  That is simply the Izhevsk factory arrow in the triangle, it's NOT a /1\ stamp. It's pretty common to see them not stamped clearly, especially early and war time M91-30 production rifles.

The one akshooter posted up, now that, is a legit /1\ stamped rifle.
I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse......

Leave the gun, take the cannoli.

I said I was an addict........I didn't say I had a problem