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SKS Carbines => Unaltered SKS Rifles => The Trinity Rifles => Topic started by: Phosphorus32 on August 02, 2019, 08:06:54 PM

Title: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 02, 2019, 08:06:54 PM
This is one that popped up on Gunboards back in May. Another fine member there beat me to it by a minute  :( The owner of the gun shop was on the phone with the buyer when I called the other line. He posted a few pics when he picked it up and it was clear that at some point the stock had been stripped of shellac. Nevertheless, it's just number 32 in our serial number database.

Roll forward about 6-7 weeks, the owner contacted me and said, things had come up, he needed to move it, and asked if I wanted it for what he had into it; a collector-to-collector price :o Took me a few nanoseconds to consider before saying yes, and a few weeks to free up the funds but it arrived on Monday, ensconced in a hard case and in good shape.

It has plenty of signs of use and storage in a humid climate, the famous "jungle patina". The chrome-lined bore is excellent. The gas block lever was frozen when I received it but a bit of an oil soak and some gentle torque and it came free. Everything functions as it should. The design of the gas block for the grenade launcher (not included) seems quite crude, especially compared to the well engineered Yugoslavian M59/66. A star nut holds it on and the lever on mine I imagine could easily flop into the closed position under firing. Rather inconvenient in a firefight.

When I'm excited I take a lot of pictures, so here they are  rofl

(https://i.ibb.co/WBR7q1j/00-Type-63-rec-cover.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r5XqTJN)

(https://i.ibb.co/GdvSRmW/01-right-full.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yNnjq26)

(https://i.ibb.co/HD5PRbm/02-right-rear.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XZc56Km)

(https://i.ibb.co/ykRyQ9y/03-right-mid.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QHcNKgN)

(https://i.ibb.co/XLDzDph/04-right-front.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qjCRC9t)

(https://i.ibb.co/yFMdFfX/05-left-full.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CKXmK1z)

(https://i.ibb.co/G0X5yQ2/06-left-rear.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JKNsVj7)

(https://i.ibb.co/R6g4f6X/07-left-mid.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ykNBtkz)

(https://i.ibb.co/12ttFjk/08-left-front.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cTSS4Vj)

(https://i.ibb.co/545Q6Vf/09-SN-rec-in-stock.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NCL0szH)

(https://i.ibb.co/y4fh8vc/10-SN-bolt-carrier.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ph0W3VB)

(https://i.ibb.co/nCz9NRL/11-SN-bolt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4dPznJV)

(https://i.ibb.co/Fq4bF3x/12-SN-mag.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fGdYsF1)

(https://i.ibb.co/QKC3xYV/13-SN-tg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kS9sPqT)

(https://i.ibb.co/0jhR0mr/14-SN-rec-cover.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z6WpQGx)

(https://i.ibb.co/NTmgX8k/15-SN-gas-tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z2YR3nw)

(https://i.ibb.co/7gfJFwv/16-SN-gas-piston.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HNSDQW7)

(https://i.ibb.co/023Sb53/17-SN-stock.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nmSvJpS)

DRAIN HOLE?
(https://i.ibb.co/2qymn7v/18-bayo-groove-drain-hole.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wn6qxWk)

(https://i.ibb.co/qmdVZrF/19-rear-sight-leaf.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c21VmrX)

(https://i.ibb.co/kGJVRLx/20-star-nut.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D1YPxBt)

OPEN
(https://i.ibb.co/mb5jRnD/21-gas-block-open.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RYTFgXv)

CLOSED
(https://i.ibb.co/pjCz05k/22-gas-block-closed.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WvSyxjR)

(https://i.ibb.co/w4ZG3v0/23-right-barrel-markings.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VT0nrKj)
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Bob_The_Student on August 02, 2019, 09:16:05 PM
Awesome P32!  clap1... Glad it worked out after just missing out earlier in the year. Is it sleeping in your bed with you tonight??  rofl2
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 02, 2019, 10:01:07 PM
Awesome P32!  clap1... Glad it worked out after just missing out earlier in the year. Is it sleeping in your bed with you tonight??  rofl2

Thanks!

No, my wifeís at home. Besides, if I did, I might have bad dreams about the three Kims  fart1
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 02, 2019, 10:21:24 PM
Congrats man!

If you take away the crude gas shut-off, I think they have the best build quality of any country.... Just my opinion. 

Drain hole?  Don't think mine or any of the others have that hole.... Hope it wasn't done by the guy who stripped is as a means of hanging it on a wire or coat hanger when stripping.   fart1
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 02, 2019, 10:55:56 PM
Yeah, who knows. Iíve never seen a hole there in any SKS but Iíve only held one North Korean and have never seen a pic of the bayonet groove on one.
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: carls sks on August 03, 2019, 09:40:29 AM
very neat, has to be rare (never seen one). thanks for sharing.  thumb1 -----> going to put some shellac (or something) on the stock?
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 03, 2019, 10:14:46 AM
very neat, has to be rare (never seen one). thanks for sharing.  thumb1 -----> going to put some shellac (or something) on the stock?

Quite rare. 32 of them in our serial number data. They only came into the US as bringbacks from Vietnam.

Iíll leave the stock alone. If the veteran who brought it back did it, so be it. If some later owner stripped it, shame on them.
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Bob_The_Student on August 03, 2019, 07:37:20 PM
Although, someone thought they had a great idea "improving" that stock... I say this, you have an SKS that, as you stated, that only 31 others are known to have in the US. With that I wouldn't care or dwell on the stock. Be proud, as I'm sure you are, to have what many of us will never see in person, let alone own. As stated above, I'm glad it ended up with you after reading you just missed it on the forums awhile back. Enjoy it and I won't be mad if you post more photos of it from different angles and showing anything else that is "uncommon" on that variant etc......
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 03, 2019, 09:03:12 PM
Although, someone thought they had a great idea "improving" that stock... I say this, you have an SKS that, as you stated, that only 31 others are known to have in the US. With that I wouldn't care or dwell on the stock. Be proud, as I'm sure you are, to have what many of us will never see in person, let alone own. As stated above, I'm glad it ended up with you after reading you just missed it on the forums awhile back. Enjoy it and I won't be mad if you post more photos of it from different angles and showing anything else that is "uncommon" on that variant etc......

Yeah, I'm a bit more tolerant with Vietnam bringback finishes. If the vet did it I really have no right to judge, he earned it. If some later owner did it, I'm far less generous in my feelings  bat1 Regardless it's a rare piece that I'm proud to have.

I think most of the unique features are shown. The gas cut-off, the stock pins/cross bolts, solid wood handguard on the Type 63, some differences in the bayonet knurling, length of bluing on the blade, lack of lightening cuts on the bayonet lug, and of course the markings. Everything else is as Simonov intended  thumb1

I've added a few more comparison pics with a Russian below to illustrate those points. I'm juxtaposing the Type 63 with an as-issued 1958 Tula SKS-45 (this one lost its shellac through honest use in Albania. Numbers all match and teh bayonet is staked).

Type 63
(https://i.ibb.co/TvyCSht/28-bayonet-knurling.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X2HwgJt)

SKS-45
(https://i.ibb.co/cJ7sZZL/29-Tula-bayonet-knurling.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9nCd11t)


In all of the following, Type 63 on top, SKS-45 on bottom
(https://i.ibb.co/Fw92pdm/24-cf-Rus-to-NK-bayonet.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jMdmtjb)

(https://i.ibb.co/1dpwbzk/25-cf-Rus-to-NK-stock-rear.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPdYsVL)

(https://i.ibb.co/7nkf8sf/26-cf-Rus-to-NK-stock-mid.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6HXMVjM)

(https://i.ibb.co/B4tbJQT/27-cf-Rus-to-NK-handguard.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TKk6G7P)
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: jmaurer on August 03, 2019, 11:46:54 PM
Phosphorus, congratulations! Just a thought on the stock: if it doesn't look like it's been sanded, and depending upon the care with which the shellac was originally applied, it may well be as it was found. My East German Karabiner S was at an intermediary stage when I found it: some large patches of shellac missing on the exterior surfaces of the stock, and when the rifle was disassembled, shellac on interior surfaces flaking off in large bits. I didn't touch a thing and put it all back together without touching any of the shellac flakes. I always imagined it was somewhat like a "freeze/thaw" or frost-heaving effect: a bit of jungle moisture gets through the shellac, the wood expands, and the shellac flakes off with repeated cycles as the rifle is captured and removed from crappy cache storage, brought to the States and dries out, and then is variably stored afterward. Just a thought. But again, glad that you got it!
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 04, 2019, 01:27:48 AM
Sheeeeeelacka lacka lacka.    rofl


(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring002/IMG_20161014_140303708.jpg)
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: martin08 on August 04, 2019, 08:46:20 AM
Congrats, P32, and a big one.

Drain hole?  Yep.  There would be no other reason for it.

(https://i.imgur.com/B3n2zkol.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RoHJub4l.jpg)
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 04, 2019, 10:29:30 AM
Wow..  yours has the hole also?

I'll have to look at mine when I get home in two days.
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 04, 2019, 10:48:06 AM
Congrats, P32, and a big one.

Drain hole?  Yep.  There would be no other reason for it.

(https://i.imgur.com/B3n2zkol.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RoHJub4l.jpg)

Thanks very much M08!
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Direct Connection on August 04, 2019, 10:32:54 PM
That's a serious contender Phos. How did your other sksz react when they heard theres a new sheriff in town😁👍
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Larry D. on August 05, 2019, 01:10:58 AM
Thanks for posting that.
I've never seen one.
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: firstchoice on August 05, 2019, 02:44:09 AM
Congratulations on the North Korean Type 63 aquisition, P32!  I've seen only a few here online, I've held none in my hands, and chances that I will own one are very slim. So, it's sure good to see you get one so nice and even priced "reasonable", as much as that word applies to one of the Trinity rifles.  ::)  Our board has a strong showing of NK Type 63 owners for the 32 known pieces in private hands.  thumb1

Thanks for showing it and the great pics you supplied for the post. Photography is something I need to improve on so that I can someday take proper photos of pieces that I'm also proud of.

Just a quick question, was the gas shut off used on these rifles soley for a Grenade Launching device of some type? Or is there another purpose in mind? 

firstchoice
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 05, 2019, 11:21:38 PM
Congratulations on the North Korean Type 63 aquisition, P32!  I've seen only a few here online, I've held none in my hands, and chances that I will own one are very slim. So, it's sure good to see you get one so nice and even priced "reasonable", as much as that word applies to one of the Trinity rifles.  ::)  Our board has a strong showing of NK Type 63 owners for the 32 known pieces in private hands.  thumb1

Thanks for showing it and the great pics you supplied for the post. Photography is something I need to improve on so that I can someday take proper photos of pieces that I'm also proud of.

Just a quick question, was the gas shut off used on these rifles soley for a Grenade Launching device of some type? Or is there another purpose in mind? 

firstchoice


Thanks! They definitely don't come cheap. I appreciate the compliment on my photos.  The only purpose of the cutoff lever is for grenade launching, as far as I know.
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 05, 2019, 11:30:43 PM
That's a serious contender Phos. How did your other sksz react when they heard theres a new sheriff in town😁👍

 :)) I think they're okay. They were all members of the Communist Bloc, at least in ideology...if an inanimate object can have an ideology  rofl
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 05, 2019, 11:31:21 PM
Thanks for posting that.
I've never seen one.

You're welcome! Thanks.
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 07, 2019, 10:22:01 AM
RM... you adding this to the list?
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: running-man on August 07, 2019, 11:43:23 AM
Need to revamp the whole list/photo thing since Photobucket won't allow more than 250 photos on a free account.  I'll get the Trinity lists updated soon.  thumb1
Title: Re: North Korean Type 63
Post by: santaroga on August 14, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
oh, so nice. I cam here to be all happy about my albanian arriving, but damn. that's a nice, nice purchase