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General Milsurp Weapons => Milsurp Hand Guns & Sub Guns => Topic started by: Greasemonkey on January 07, 2019, 09:09:43 PM

Title: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 07, 2019, 09:09:43 PM
One that has been on my bucket list for 8 or 9 years.. the Samopal vzor 61, Vz.61 or simply, the Skorpion. CzechPoint has made, as I understand, a very limited run of them in all 3 calibers, .32acp(the original), 9mm Mak and 380acp. I had to do it, I had to scratch that almost 10 year itch. The 9mm Mak and 380acp both have straight magazines, the .32acp because of the semi-rim cartridge has a small banana magazine. This is the pistol that has led to the Cz Scorpion EVO variants, they are based off the design of this old pistol.


This little machine pistol while not as popular as some of the other Cold War weapons, there is no denying it's a communist weapon, it's tough, it's kinda ugly and it just works. It has played a pretty signifiant role in recent history and conflicts and even mass media such as movies, it even saw use and action during Vietnam. Yugoslavia made a licensed copy the M84, it was used in the Yugoslav Wars and exported to and used by other nations as well. It is still currently in use in Czechoslovakia and is still bought and used by many nations, even Russia has bought them for Spetsnaz units. Developed in the late '50's by Miroslav Rybř, testing was around 1959 and full Czech military acceptance in 1961, even some Czech police units were using it. Also, through out history, it is a notorious weapon used by terrorists.

While it's caliber is rumored to be lacking, .32acp or 7.65 Browning has proven it's worth in the 100+ years of use, especially when the real military example can fire 800 rounds a minute, and fire that accurately. One advantage to the smaller caliber is it's more controllable than larger calibers like 9mm, it doesn't rise up, and typically is only shot in short bursts. Also, given the smaller round, it's very easy and common to suppress them.

It included a 10rd and 2 20rd magazines, the discoloration on the one magazine is shipping oil/grease..hey.....I just picked it up. :)   As you will see, a .32acp is not just for mouse guns thumb1

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/yy8ejzuq4zbaw1e/SAM_3499.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/s7itr4e3r2j19ov/SAM_3500.JPG?dl=0)


Like any Czech weapon, cleaning is easy, push the captive pin in the front, slide the top receiver forward about a 1/4 inch and it hinges open like an AR. The bolt, carrier and recoil spring assy. slide right out the back, while the internals are open for inspection or cleaning.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/s4qodwdy8m26s7o/SAM_3501.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/6iu0qrf3hq17bpk/SAM_3502.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/sd37sb3nhj0ilbt/SAM_3503.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/06yc5v2kb7if5q2/SAM_3504.JPG?dl=0)

The ejection port is on the top.. also note the rear sight, it's calibrated in 75 or 150 meters by flipping it forward or back, it's not by any means a target weapon with the primitive sights, never was designed as such, it's a machine gun. It has a last shot hold open built in, like a Vz.58. Also, this semiauto is like the military version, both fire from a closed bolt, unlike most small machine guns that use an open bolt mechanism. It does not have the fire rate reducing hardware installed, on the full auto variant, the firing rate reducer is located in the grip.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/3is184i9u30ludz/SAM_3506.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/3107utcbyyxmgx0/SAM_3507.JPG?dl=0)

Little gratuitous Czech hardware shot.. thumb1 for size comparison.. the barrel is 4.5 inches, overall it's about 11 inches long, and weight is a little less than 3 pounds.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/86sqk5wjevjhgc3/SAM_3505.JPG?dl=0)

Import stampings.. It is built from some surplus parts, the machined lower receiver is how ever made new, to make it meet BATFE requirements for a semiauto. It also almost begs to be SBR'ed with the folding wire stock...... which I am currently checking into. :)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/tp26qrn63jag67f/SAM_3509.JPG?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/edgpn5hh8997u9q/SAM_3510.JPG?dl=0)
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 07, 2019, 09:27:36 PM
Oh my, that is some CZ drool-worthy goodness  drool2 shooting1 That should be a fun shooter.

That would be very cool SBRd. Im not sure how effective that short little folding wire stock would be but it sure looks nice  :)
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Bob_The_Student on January 07, 2019, 09:57:50 PM
Man, that's an awesome little gun. Thanks for the info/lesson on it. Very cool.
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 07, 2019, 11:23:30 PM
Oh my, that is some CZ drool-worthy goodness  drool2 shooting1 That should be a fun shooter.

That would be very cool SBRd. Im not sure how effective that short little folding wire stock would be but it sure looks nice  :)


And years ago I said I would never buy a 32acp.................now I have............they're like rabbits. 

New RM saying, the only way to avoid .32acp #2, is to avoid .32acp #1  rofl

The stock, is only between 10 and 11 inches long.. so it would be cramped, like shooting a small youth rifle.


Man, that's an awesome little gun. Thanks for the info/lesson on it. Very cool.
Thanks, I like the weird odd ball stuff..I find the history interesting and design intriguing on stuff like this.
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: carls sks on January 08, 2019, 09:08:12 AM
looks like it will fun, congrats.  thumb1
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 08, 2019, 09:48:42 PM
looks like it will fun, congrats.  thumb1

Can't wait to try it, it will make a nice....... semi-retirement piece. I've had a fun ride, but I will be cutting back for a while. Maybe finish my degree and deal with certain things that need tending too.
GM disclaimer........ :o
I use the term "semi-retirement" loosely... I am an addict, I admit this, therefore, I am subject to fall off the wagon at any moment. Actors and singers do it all the time, so no one is perfect.  thumb1
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on January 09, 2019, 12:25:12 AM
God its ugly. 

Congrats!
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 09, 2019, 01:00:12 AM
God its ugly. 

Congrats!

You love it. thumb1
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on January 09, 2019, 10:05:48 AM
 thumb1
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Larry D. on February 11, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
Just saw this one.
SCHWING!!!

Been lusting after one of those for a while now.
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Matchka on February 11, 2019, 01:11:30 PM
SNAZZZ-EEEEE! Gotta be one of the best looking 'parts gun' firearm I've ever seen.  :P
Any scoop on spare parts, issue cleaning kit? And, did a folding/para tube stock come with any of these beauties?
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Greasemonkey on February 11, 2019, 01:33:13 PM
CzechPoint has replacement parts, parts kits are available from time to time, I think Numrich has some parts and the magazines are not overly hard to come by. Some parts are swappable between the .380/9mm Mak.. but the .32acp is it's own little beast. I believe you can convert the .380/9mm Mak back and forth between calibers with a bolt and barrel change. All 3 calibers available in threaded models for silencing as well. Cleaning kits....just look on fleabay.

You can get a kind of goofy looking "brace" for them from CzechPoint.. they are drilled for the factory stock.... the actual factory folding wire stock makes it an SBR and requires the ATF paperwork.
Straight from CzechPoint
Quote
THE FOLDING STOCK WILL NOT BE SHIPPED WITH THE VZ. 61 PISTOL. DO NOT ORDER THE VZ. 61 STOCK AND THE VZ. 61 PISTOL TOGETHER.   IF YOU ORDER THE STOCK AND VZ. 61 PISTOL TOGETHER, THE STOCK WILL NOT BE SHIPPED AND YOU WILL BE CHARGED A 15% RESTOCKING FEE ON THE STOCK.   REASON:  THIS IS TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL 'CONSTRUCTIVE POSSESSION' LEGAL ISSUES THAT AN INDIVIDUAL MAY ENCOUNTER.

SNAZZZ-EEEEE! Gotta be one of the best looking 'parts gun' firearm I've ever seen.  :P

Another CzechPoint D-Technik A.S. built "parts gun" firearm.. the real Vz.58, in the above picture is my Vz.2008 from Century in a Czech surplus phenolic stock.. :)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/uizimgeaycw6je2/HPIM0229_zps19303524.jpg?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/d7r520255kwdto7/HPIM0239_zpsa3a33d86.jpg?dl=0)
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Larry D. on February 11, 2019, 01:41:56 PM
You guys are hurting me.

Ever heard of a broner?
That's when someone does, or has, something so manly that it give you an erection.
I feel one coming on......
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Greasemonkey on February 11, 2019, 01:47:55 PM
You guys are hurting me.

Ever heard of a broner?
That's when someone does, or has, something so manly that it give you an erection.
I feel one coming on......

Well...........If you need a moment..  thumb1

I could just whip out my Johnson :o my Thompson... the Suomi.. Desert Eagle...Artillery Luger, and on and on.... :)   Wait till P32 gets tuned up.. rofl2
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Larry D. on February 11, 2019, 01:54:25 PM
I'm glad you folks are a relaxed bunch.

Guns and funs.......
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: running-man on February 11, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
The last thing we need is for GM to whip out his Johnson. 8)

To be honest GM, I think my favorite is sill your Big Boy in .44 mag.   thumb1
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Phosphorus32 on February 11, 2019, 04:57:07 PM
Let's not devolve into some length and girth measurement contest...

(https://preview.ibb.co/h4nJO9/01-left.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cfisi9)
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Larry D. on February 11, 2019, 05:59:16 PM
What is that?
Might be deserving of it's own thread.

50 cal something.....
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Phosphorus32 on February 11, 2019, 06:06:12 PM
What is that?
Might be deserving of it's own thread.

50 cal something.....

Noreen ULR single shot bolt action rifle in 50BMG  :)

https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=4126.0
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Direct Connection on February 11, 2019, 07:42:44 PM
Very informative intro for your new little friend Dr History  :) thumb1 There for awhile I thought you were being honest this time about your addiction problem clap1 Now ship that thing to California where all the actors and singers are. chuckles1.
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Greasemonkey on February 11, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
I am being honest... I do have a problem..  :)

I can't ship it there.. it's mine.. and.... Well.... it's mine.. and your there.. and I wouldn't want to offend some actor, singer or someone in a particular polictical party  rofl2
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Direct Connection on February 11, 2019, 08:39:27 PM
I am being honest... I do have a problem..  :)

I can't ship it there.. it's mine.. and.... Well.... it's mine.. and your there.. and I wouldn't want to offend some actor, singer or someone in a particular polictical party  rofl2

Okay ill let you slide this time :). I always wondered how fun it would be to shoot a little spray and pray example like that. Is it new ? Are there extra mags out there for it ? Ive never heard of a under Armored firearm made in the Cz : )
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Greasemonkey on February 11, 2019, 09:00:26 PM
Yup... Everything is available.. Czechpoint and other vendors have magazines, holsters and other goodies.
Title: Re: I can Czech it off the list
Post by: Matchka on February 12, 2019, 12:33:18 PM
CzechPoint has replacement parts, parts kits are available from time to time, I think Numrich has some parts and the magazines are not overly hard to come by. Some parts are swappable between the .380/9mm Mak.. but the .32acp is it's own little beast. I believe you can convert the .380/9mm Mak back and forth between calibers with a bolt and barrel change. All 3 calibers available in threaded models for silencing as well. Cleaning kits....just look on fleabay.

You can get a kind of goofy looking "brace" for them from CzechPoint.. they are drilled for the factory stock.... the actual factory folding wire stock makes it an SBR and requires the ATF paperwork.
Straight from CzechPoint
Quote
THE FOLDING STOCK WILL NOT BE SHIPPED WITH THE VZ. 61 PISTOL. DO NOT ORDER THE VZ. 61 STOCK AND THE VZ. 61 PISTOL TOGETHER.   IF YOU ORDER THE STOCK AND VZ. 61 PISTOL TOGETHER, THE STOCK WILL NOT BE SHIPPED AND YOU WILL BE CHARGED A 15% RESTOCKING FEE ON THE STOCK.   REASON:  THIS IS TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL 'CONSTRUCTIVE POSSESSION' LEGAL ISSUES THAT AN INDIVIDUAL MAY ENCOUNTER.

SNAZZZ-EEEEE! Gotta be one of the best looking 'parts gun' firearm I've ever seen.  :P

Another CzechPoint D-Technik A.S. built "parts gun" firearm.. the real Vz.58, in the above picture is my Vz.2008 from Century in a Czech surplus phenolic stock.. :)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/uizimgeaycw6je2/HPIM0229_zps19303524.jpg?dl=0)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/d7r520255kwdto7/HPIM0239_zpsa3a33d86.jpg?dl=0)
GM, tks for the scoop! I was sure a 'won't ship' caveat would be in the mix if a shoulder extension was avail.