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Title: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: JoeBrownBagaDonuts on July 28, 2020, 12:21:00 PM
Last week I received my SKS from Palmetto State Armory. Got it all cleaned up and it’s ready for rounds. Based on much of your information found here, my rifle is a 1966 Model /26\ and has a milled trigger. No cleaning rod, so if anyone has a bead on some that WILL fit, love to hear it. Many of the ones I’ve found online, reports and reviews say they most don’t fit without alterations.

Anyways, I’d like to ask about stock stamps. I’ve got a circle stamp with a triangle and a 2 inside the triangle. The triangle is about 1/4 of the way in the circle, but not quite. Any intel on what that indicates, if anything?

Thanks!
(https://i.ibb.co/khJYk8Z/D5023-D63-EBC4-4520-9-E22-47-E544-C070-AC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FBXGNwp)
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Phosphorus32 on July 28, 2020, 12:33:52 PM
Welcome Joe!

You have it mostly figured out. The Chinese characters say Type 56, which is the model number for the Chinese SKS. The /26\ is the symbol for Jianshe Arsenal, the initial and most prolific manufacturer of the Type 56. The circle intersecting the triangle is a scar from the impact of the charging handle of an adjacent SKS, received during careless handling during stacking or shipping. The triangle 2 mark is commonly observed but its meaning is not known with certainty. It's quite likely a quality control marking, though other hypotheses are possible. There are different numbers observed in the triangles on the stocks of other SKSs, as well.
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Greatguns on July 28, 2020, 01:00:33 PM
Welcome to the Files. For your cleaning rod needs you can usually find them on Ebay for around $10.
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Larry D. on July 28, 2020, 01:11:19 PM
Welcome, Joe.

Post up pictures of the whole rifle. It looks like it's got a whole lot of "been there, done that" on it.

Those are my favorites.
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: JoeBrownBagaDonuts on July 28, 2020, 02:48:43 PM
Some before and after cleanup
(https://i.ibb.co/zxpCZJg/7-F72-D990-9376-4-A5-C-BF83-1-AEE27-BEFC70.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vqpfkYW)

(https://i.ibb.co/mz47p41/970498-F7-C79-A-4193-83-F0-EFCFE92091-BD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C0QFLQN)

(https://i.ibb.co/YtqFJjL/7-F611-AA6-3-E45-43-CE-99-AF-DA869-AE7-D159.jpg) (https://ibb.co/br8MYdK)

(https://i.ibb.co/9cchgrx/9-C0-F03-FC-C309-4814-9715-4-D64-C4-C31409.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q77CjrH)

(https://i.ibb.co/FxZ7LLq/0-C35-E279-F836-4979-8-D64-1744-C24-D120-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GxYP443)

(https://i.ibb.co/k43kLTz/C0-F7653-B-C245-4115-BF70-622-B6-E671967.jpg) (https://ibb.co/StQWkgH)

(https://i.ibb.co/8YpvHdR/23494414-8-D4-B-4-D81-B4-C7-FE3550-BDDF15.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1z5ykdp)

(https://i.ibb.co/7jXTVjz/9080-BAF4-338-D-4-FFF-818-F-33-A5065-CCA47.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0mcWZmX)
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: JoeBrownBagaDonuts on July 28, 2020, 02:53:59 PM
Charging handle impact. Haha. Makes absolute sense, never considered that. Sadly, a few fresh dings from recent handlers and one chip in the stock just forward of the receiver. But, I’m really happy to get this one and for the PSA Deal of the day a couple weeks ago, $299; money well spent.
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Bob_The_Student on July 28, 2020, 03:03:11 PM
Agreed, it looks pretty good for the money. Welcome!
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Phosphorus32 on July 28, 2020, 05:07:01 PM
That cleaned up very well, with a lot of bluing remaining. Nice score!
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: running-man on July 28, 2020, 06:54:37 PM
Welcome to The boards Joe.  Nice type 56 you've got there.  When I read your stock had 'fresh dings' in it, my mind immediately went to Ben over at Classic Arms.  The videos of him manhandling crates of SKSs are cringeworthy.
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Bob_The_Student on July 28, 2020, 07:08:04 PM
Same thoughts RM!!
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: JorgeSKS on July 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Very nice SKS, great score!

Off topic a bit here... 
A question for for the wise ones? The third serial number “1” on JBBD’s SKS appears to bigger/different the the first two, why?

Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: owenj492 on July 28, 2020, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: JorgeSKS on July 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Very nice SKS, great score!

Off topic a bit here... 
A question for for the wise ones? The third serial number “1” on JBBD’s SKS appears to bigger/different the the first two, why?

I've noticed that also! Good question!
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: echo83 on July 28, 2020, 08:27:41 PM
Great looking rifle, and nice job of cleaning it up. That's a keeper, for sure!

Sarco has cleaning rods that are in great condition,  I would definitely recommend them.
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: ffjoey on July 28, 2020, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: JorgeSKS on July 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Very nice SKS, great score!

Off topic a bit here... 
A question for for the wise ones? The third serial number “1” on JBBD’s SKS appears to bigger/different the the first two, why?
That is odd....
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Justin Hell on July 29, 2020, 01:49:13 AM
Quote from: ffjoey on July 28, 2020, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: JorgeSKS on July 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Very nice SKS, great score!

Off topic a bit here... 
A question for for the wise ones? The third serial number “1” on JBBD’s SKS appears to bigger/different the the first two, why?
That is odd....

It looks like the 11 was stamped first and then the rest later, those sevens are pretty beefy too.
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Bob_The_Student on July 29, 2020, 04:50:40 AM
I think the serial number is fine and when RM or P32 tells us why it will all make sense. I'm thinking what Justin said but...
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: ffjoey on July 29, 2020, 09:53:33 AM
Quote from: Justin Hell on July 29, 2020, 01:49:13 AM
Quote from: ffjoey on July 28, 2020, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: JorgeSKS on July 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Very nice SKS, great score!

Off topic a bit here... 
A question for for the wise ones? The third serial number “1” on JBBD’s SKS appears to bigger/different the the first two, why?
That is odd....

It looks like the 11 was stamped first and then the rest later, those sevens are pretty beefy too.
Yeah, they look heavy compared to the others as well
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: running-man on July 29, 2020, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: JorgeSKS on July 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Very nice SKS, great score!

Off topic a bit here... 
A question for for the wise ones? The third serial number “1” on JBBD’s SKS appears to bigger/different the the first two, why?


You see that quite often in the post later Chinese type 56s.  On certain guns (I assume in the desire for efficiency), the arsenal stamp and the year prefix were stamped separately from the gun serial number.  It is likely that the receivers after being mass produced, are then mass stamped with the S/N and the current year code before being sent to the line for fitment to the rest of the gun.  Once fitment is done and the gun receives a serial number, that S/N is then stamped on the receiver and piece parts and out she goes. 

This effect is really easy to see on the 11 mil series because for the first 100k guns, you have three 1's in succession.  It is also visible on later /26\ guns where the numbers aren't quite spaced right or the stamps are different fonts/different depths if you have a large enough sample size:

(https://i.ibb.co/4TPYccG/11134997-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bRgk7TL/12235515-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1ZqQ4FR/12339943-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/b56cCxy/13012816-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6ypyDR6/14116745-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ny1P1bW/14242371-receiver.jpg)

And then you get to non-/26\ guns where they are so badly lined up that it's laughable:
(https://i.ibb.co/XjbSKdz/21003012-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8jwZVCd/22027376-receiver.jpg)
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Phosphorus32 on July 29, 2020, 11:34:39 AM
Quote from: running-man on July 29, 2020, 11:07:19 AM
Quote from: JorgeSKS on July 28, 2020, 08:04:11 PM
Very nice SKS, great score!

Off topic a bit here... 
A question for for the wise ones? The third serial number “1” on JBBD’s SKS appears to bigger/different the the first two, why?


You see that quite often in the post later Chinese type 56s.  On certain guns (I assume in the desire for efficiency), the arsenal stamp and the year prefix were stamped separately from the gun serial number.  It is likely that the receivers after being mass produced, are then mass stamped with the S/N and the current year code before being sent to the line for fitment to the rest of the gun.  Once fitment is done and the gun receives a serial number, that S/N is then stamped on the receiver and piece parts and out she goes. 

This effect is really easy to see on the 11 mil series because for the first second 100k guns, you have three 1's in succession.  It is also visible on later /26\ guns where the numbers aren't quite spaced right or the stamps are different fonts/different depths if you have a large enough sample size:

(https://i.ibb.co/4TPYccG/11134997-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/bRgk7TL/12235515-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1ZqQ4FR/12339943-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/b56cCxy/13012816-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/6ypyDR6/14116745-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ny1P1bW/14242371-receiver.jpg)

And then you get to non-/26\ guns where they are so badly lined up that it's laughable:
(https://i.ibb.co/XjbSKdz/21003012-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8jwZVCd/22027376-receiver.jpg)


I'm quite sure that the above minor edits are what RM meant to say but thought it too presumptuous of me to just edit his original post  :)
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: running-man on July 29, 2020, 02:39:27 PM
Yeah, total fail there wasn't it?   :-\

What I was trying to convey (poorly) is "for the guns that have 11,1xx,xxx in the S/N you have three 1's in succession"  chuckles1
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Justin Hell on July 29, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
Hooray!  I dig pulling something out of thin air and being right. :)
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: auskip07 on July 29, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
nice looking gun!
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Phosphorus32 on July 29, 2020, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: running-man on July 29, 2020, 02:39:27 PM
Yeah, total fail there wasn't it?   :-\

What I was trying to convey (poorly) is "for the guns that have 11,1xx,xxx in the S/N you have three 1's in succession"  chuckles1

No worries, you’re allowed a typo once a year  thumb1 rofl
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: JoeBrownBagaDonuts on September 08, 2020, 01:19:55 PM
I thought this post would be um, appropriate for the forum......here’s my Chinese wife shooting for the first time a Chinese Type 56 SKS. She hit paper at 100 yds 8 of 10 rds. I’ll say the first stripper clip was resistant to load all 10 rds. The second was a little better and the third was cake. Not a single malfunction and aside from the SKS sight picture, it’s pretty damn fun shooting.
(https://i.ibb.co/8BLLpvh/6892631-E-98-F5-4-F30-B93-E-DBA74-AC66-B41.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3s99q6J)
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: running-man on September 08, 2020, 01:23:26 PM
Nice to see significant others out there getting more comfortable with a firearm.  thumb1
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Larry D. on September 08, 2020, 09:39:18 PM
Quote from: running-man on September 08, 2020, 01:23:26 PM
Nice to see significant others out there getting more comfortable with a firearm.  thumb1

Agreed.
Always nice to see someone has a counterpart that enjoys the hobby.
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Phosphorus32 on September 08, 2020, 09:51:37 PM
Good stuff JoeB!  thumb1 Nice to see you out enjoying the SKS with your wife, and glad it runs well!
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: JoeBrownBagaDonuts on September 09, 2020, 01:09:14 PM
Thanks. It was kinda funny cuz we were going down to the range on our property to sight in for elk season coming up 10/10, so she grabbed her 6.5 Creedmore and I grabbed the SKS. She froze and looked at me. “You’re going to hunt with that?” So I played along for a second, “ya, why not?” She shook her head. “You’re crazy! You don’t even know if it works!” So I also grabbed my .300 WINMAG and said ok, I’ll take this as back up.” Then she looked at me and had it all put together. “You’re not going to hunt that. It doesn’t have a scope and it’s not a big enough caliber for a bull elk!  You’re just taking it to go shoot it!”

Love my wife!
(https://i.ibb.co/RYbQXJF/8-A6-BF4-E5-4782-457-F-A2-B9-A20-AA2019-F6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DzWwBjJ)
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Larry D. on September 09, 2020, 01:21:59 PM
She hunts, too?!?

Does she have a sister?
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: JoeBrownBagaDonuts on September 09, 2020, 05:52:00 PM
She does, hunt too. Sorry no sister. When I robbed her from the cradle I made sure there weren’t any others like her!

😂🤣
Title: Re: Jianshe Type 56 Model Year 66 Stock stamps
Post by: Matchka on September 12, 2020, 04:23:31 PM
Zow! Answered a lot of my questions about numbering!