Hi guys. Here is my all matching numbers SKS. Says Norinco "Sporter", but I think that was just a work around for importing. It looks milspec. It's in pretty good condition. Thanks for checking it out.
(https://i.ibb.co/k0Hj0GV/20200628-133003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctg0tyK)
(https://i.ibb.co/VTDJw3Z/20200628-131429.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NKptT7P)
(https://i.ibb.co/3svSKjC/Screenshot-20200628-132800-Gallery.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yRpg2ZQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/qR2qJHR/Screenshot-20200628-132708-Gallery.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hKTQYGK)
(https://i.ibb.co/ngjPSZ7/20200628-135613.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cgQYdM6)
(https://i.ibb.co/2dtFQ6q/20200628-133126.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M7Vg4hn)
She sure is pretty. A lot of them were imported in the 1980’s. The Gun Show Special pricing was a Chinese SKS and a 1000 rounds of ammo for $150.
Welcome from NH.Very nice rifle you have there.Looks like a early B-West,Tuscon,AZ of a Type 56 produced in 1985 I think.Likely a commercial export model from Norinco.A later model with a pinned barrel and no arsenal marks.
Welcome to the forum! My recomendation is to post up in the introduction thread here on this forum!
Glad to see you found the sks-files forum.
Welcome.
When you posted this on the other forum, I think I may have said it was a 28th year carbine. Looking closer at the receiver serial, it looks more like 29th year carbine-- 1984. Last year of designated type56 production.
Hey, thanks for all the responses, info and compliments. Yeah I'll have to head over and make an intro thread.
Hey Boris, good to see you here as well. Last year of designated type 56 production? Whew, Looks like I just made it.... Lol.
Edit: found this, seems spot on.
(https://i.ibb.co/mGngBhT/Screenshot-20200705-220708-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BthFPT3)
Boris nailed it and I see you found the dating sticky. Nice looking late production SKS! thumb1 I’d be happy to have it in my collection drool2
Thanks Phosphorus, I appreciate it.
beauty, thanks for sharing. thumb1
Very cool, I haven't seen one of these. If fact, most B-West imports I have seen are considerably older. thumb1
Awesome! Good to hear, thanks guys.
That’s a great gun! B-West started out in LA and moved to Tucson in the mid to late 80’s. This gun is an ‘84 build like BB indicated, so depending on the city and state marked on the gun (hard to read that part) could have been relatively ‘new’ off the line when imported.
Looks great, thanks for sharing.
Awesome, thanks for the extra info. Always good to know as much as I can about it. thumb1 I think it said something CA, either LA or ONT before the CA.
It looks like an "A" at the tail end of the importer stamp-- which would make it "Los Angeles, CA."
see here:
https://sks-files.com/Pictures/Chinese/import_stamps/B-WEST_LA_CA3.jpg
no?
Given early B-West stamp, and the fact that the renewed trade between China and the US began in 1984, it's very probable (even likely) that your 29th year carbine was brand-spanking new and unfired when it came into the US.
What I am curious about is the absence of the arsenal stamp.
Only two arsenals stamps are known to have produced type56 carbines in 28th and 29th years.
/416\ and /0226\.
Would this carbine be from one of those arsenals-- with the arsenal stamp and type56 designation scrubbed to avoid possible scrutiny as a 'surplus' import in favor of the legal Sporting Rifle classification as a Norinco SPORTER ?
think1
Quote from: Boris Badinov on July 07, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
What I am curious about is the absence of the arsenal stamp.
Only two arsenals stamps are known to have produced type56 carbines in 28th and 29th years.
/416\ and /0226\.
Would this carbine be from one of those arsenals-- with the arsenal stamp and type56 designation scrubbed to avoid possible scrutiny as a 'surplus' import in favor of the legal Sporting Rifle classification as a Norinco SPORTER ?
think1
That is what I wonder too. And I think I seen a BWest stamp before that said ONT CA, like Ontario Canada? Did BWest export to Canada ever?
Quote from: DegoLocc on July 08, 2020, 02:05:27 AM
Quote from: Boris Badinov on July 07, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
What I am curious about is the absence of the arsenal stamp.
Only two arsenals stamps are known to have produced type56 carbines in 28th and 29th years.
/416\ and /0226\.
Would this carbine be from one of those arsenals-- with the arsenal stamp and type56 designation scrubbed to avoid possible scrutiny as a 'surplus' import in favor of the legal Sporting Rifle classification as a Norinco SPORTER ?
think1
That is what I wonder too. And I think I seen a BWest stamp before that said ONT CA, like Ontario Canada? Did BWest export to Canada ever?
B West is a US importer only. ONT CA is Ontario, California, which is east of Los Angeles. Canada has their own import companies. The only importer I know of that ever had a parallel Canadian operation is Century International Arms.
Wouldn't have been Ontario, Canada as Canada does not require import stamps. But there are some importer ID's located in ONT, CA (Ontario, California):
https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2111.0
https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2113.0
In the third picture I see what could be the faint outlines of a triangle.
Quote from: Bacarnal on July 08, 2020, 07:57:55 AM
In the third picture I see what could be the faint outlines of a triangle.
When I look at it enlarged, they just look like scratches. Hard to say for sure since the clarity is insufficient.
I'll upload another pic later today of where the triangle would be.
I only see scratches on it in person.
Quote from: DegoLocc on July 08, 2020, 02:05:27 AM
That is what I wonder too. And I think I seen a BWest stamp before that said ONT CA, like Ontario Canada? Did BWest export to Canada ever?
I’ve never seen a B-West stamp out of Ontario, CA. If you find it, post it up and I’ll add it to the importers list. thumb1
Quote from: running-man on July 08, 2020, 06:14:07 PM
Quote from: DegoLocc on July 08, 2020, 02:05:27 AM
That is what I wonder too. And I think I seen a BWest stamp before that said ONT CA, like Ontario Canada? Did BWest export to Canada ever?
I’ve never seen a B-West stamp out of Ontario, CA. If you find it, post it up and I’ll add it to the importers list. thumb1
I was mistaken, it was out of Cali also.
Quote from: Boris Badinov on July 08, 2020, 02:14:55 AM
Wouldn't have been Ontario, Canada as Canada does not require import stamps. But there are some importer ID's located in ONT, CA (Ontario, California):
https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2111.0
https://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2113.0
Couple more pics, one showing the receiver where the factory triangle would have been, looks like there are grind or polish marks all going in the same direction.
The other image is inside the chamber. You can also see the machining mill marks from when the pieces were fabricated.
About to head out to the gun club and put some 7.62's down range. thumb1
(https://i.ibb.co/WkvHh4S/20200709-100930.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HtTKSfm)
(https://i.ibb.co/Hp86sN9/20200709-100836.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PzHKnTV)
I'd be more than happy to upload any other pics, just ask if there is a particular thing you all would like to see.
Quote from: DegoLocc on July 09, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
Couple more pics, one showing the receiver where the factory triangle would have been, looks like there are grind or polish marks all going in the same direction.
The other image is inside the chamber. You can also see the machining mill marks from when the pieces were fabricated.
About to head out to the gun club and put some 7.62's down range. thumb1
(https://i.ibb.co/Hp86sN9/20200709-100836.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PzHKnTV)
That's a nice photo.
We don't often see a picture of a loaded rifle.
I think it would be a pretty cool avatar.
I hope you didn't have the muzzle pointed at your stomach when you snapped that pic. :o :o rofl
Haha Bubba nope, and safety was on. 8)
Thanks Larry, I thought it was cool too. Love the simple yet effective design of the SKS.
Here's another from the right end.
(https://i.ibb.co/wYY2CM1/20200709-161330.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g66cwzC)
Shot pretty nice today. Got about 4 to 6 inch grouping at over 100 yards. I'm hardly a great shot, so I am pretty happy with that.
Just kidding,glad you had fun at the range.
Hell yeah!
Quote from: DegoLocc on July 09, 2020, 04:10:47 PM
Shot pretty nice today. Got about 4 to 6 inch grouping at over 100 yards. I'm hardly a great shot, so I am pretty happy with that.
4-6 inches is what the sks was designed to do. thumb1
With my eyes I, 6-10" 100 yard groups is a good day. clap1
If you have access to a number of different brands of ammo, you may get some improvement.
Inspect your spent casings regularly-- especially the steel cased, berdan primed ammo from Russia and Ukraine. Pierced/popped primers are known phenomenon associated with Former CCCP brands of commercial ammo. Watch for the white puff of smoke from the chamber and check yer spent casings for deep strikes and primer pops.
Quote from: Boris Badinov on July 10, 2020, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: DegoLocc on July 09, 2020, 04:10:47 PM
Shot pretty nice today. Got about 4 to 6 inch grouping at over 100 yards. I'm hardly a great shot, so I am pretty happy with that.
4-6 inches is what the sks was designed to do. thumb1
With my eyes I, 6-10" 100 yard groups is a good day. clap1
If you have access to a number of different brands of ammo, you may get some improvement.
Inspect your spent casings regularly-- especially the steel cased, berdan primed ammo from Russia and Ukraine. Pierced/popped primers are known phenomenon associated with Former CCCP brands of commercial ammo. Watch for the white puff of smoke from the chamber and check yer spent casings for deep strikes and primer pops.
Thanks for the tips, I usually use said steel casing Wolf ammo at the range in all of my guns. I did notice a couple rounds out of 150 shot yesterday sounded "suppressed" or not as loud as the rest. Thought maybe it was my ear plugs shifting or something. I was using FMJ 124 Gr berdan primed ammo.
I'll have to check my spent casings next visit to the range.
In addition to the /416\ and /0223\ guns, I was also able to find these guns in the year 29 range.
A no arsenal stamp gun just like the OP's, except this one resides in Italy at the moment:
(https://i.ibb.co/PhRWS2z/29002942-receiver.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yyDk3zB)
A no arsenal stamp gun, except with the 五六式 stamp:
(https://i.ibb.co/DbzX5Wg/29001729-receiver.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://i.ibb.co/Syvy95k/29001729-receiver2.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
And a gun that was converted to an SKS-30:
(https://i.ibb.co/ngHLqVD/29000252-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/yWhTkKn/29000252-left-whole.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vVZ7NyK/29000252-magazine.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/029p97s/29000252-magwell.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ctszch9/29000252-receiver-cover.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/KWqw4YH/29000252-stock.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/SNxp7tF/29000252-trigger-group.jpg)
They are out there, just not terribly many of them... thumb1
Quote from: running-man on July 10, 2020, 01:01:46 PM
In addition to the /416\ and /0223\ guns, I was also able to find these guns in the year 29 range.
A no arsenal stamp gun just like the OP's, except this one resides in Italy at the moment:
(https://i.ibb.co/PhRWS2z/29002942-receiver.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yyDk3zB)
They are out there, just not terribly many of them... thumb1
Don't you think this one is scrubbed? I know picture not great but it looks scrubbed to me to left of SN. Perhaps lighting but....
Nice to see some more 29s. That one from Italy looks like mine, the wood is identical.
Quote from: Bob_The_Student on July 10, 2020, 03:07:18 PMDon't you think this one is scrubbed? I know picture not great but it looks scrubbed to me to left of SN. Perhaps lighting but....
Could be. Would be a very well finished scrub though, they typically don’t spend the time to take the grind marks down to such a smooth finish. dntknw1
I always assumed it was never stamped. Older guns I can see them rebuilding, newer carbines like this wouldn’t need that kind of work I’d think. Impossible to say one way or the other though.
Good observation Bob, I’ll keep an eye out for that area on any others that turn up in the future. thumb1
Very nice example of an 80's import. These no arsenal stamp rifles can be head scratchers. Wouldn't doubt that beaucoup SKSs w/o a military stamp were avoiding 'something' between departure from the PRC and acceptance in the US.