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Title: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 12:57:18 AM
Hopefully we can make sense out of my SKS.

I just acquired a Chinese SKS. Got interested in the serial numbers and went info hunting on the interwebs. Read lots, from this site to Yooppers and more. No joy, still confused. So here goes...

7 digit serial first 6 digits are 010959*
Short lug
Milled trigger frame
No stamps, no Chinese letters, no pointy two lines.
Rear sites have a "u"

Will post a photo tomorrow sometime.
Any information on this rifle is much appreciated.
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: Phosphorus32 on May 26, 2020, 09:29:54 AM
Initial impression from the description (no markings except the serial number is how I interpreted it) is that it’s been scrubbed and renumbered, but pictures are key.  thumb1

Pictures that will help: Left receiver rail (block out the last digit if you prefer), full rifle left and right, bolt carrier right, bayonet lug, gas block, barrel/receiver/rear sight block junction, top view of receiver cover, and serialized parts  :)
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: running-man on May 26, 2020, 12:24:23 PM
Based on what I've seen of Chinese SKSs in Canada, the 01 could very well stand for a 2001 import date.  The Chinese continued using two number prefix date IDs on their guns long after the 88-94 'commercial' guns that came into the US during 1988 to 1994. 

Photos will help, but that's the best lead I would have for you at the moment.
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 04:26:02 PM
let the fun begin.  :)

more images on the way.....


(https://i.ibb.co/ZhRK3hr/20200526-123409.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Vv0DdvG)

(https://i.ibb.co/n06cVdx/20200526-123801.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DbzC6c0)

(https://i.ibb.co/fdxjdcd/20200526-130129.jpg) (https://ibb.co/60Wj0d0)

(https://i.ibb.co/2P3rNtb/20200526-131522.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1KGN6qS)
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 04:44:50 PM
All serialized parts have the first two digits missing. "01"


(https://i.ibb.co/LSShk10/20200526-133056.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VVVpjTL)

(https://i.ibb.co/g9yLV60/20200526-133539.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3d19zkx)
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: Bubbazinetti on May 26, 2020, 04:51:28 PM
The bottom of your trigger housing is serialed too.So receiver,bolt cover and trigger group are apparently matching so far.The rifle doesn't appear to be scrubbed imho.It has features that suggest earlier mid 1970s production to me.But what do I know?
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 04:58:59 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/cYFB8Kk/20200526-135552.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Rj0F6GY)

img src photo albums (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 05:03:33 PM
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on May 26, 2020, 04:51:28 PM
The bottom of your trigger housing is serialed too.So receiver,bolt cover and trigger group are apparently matching so far.The rifle doesn't appear to be scrubbed imho.It has features that suggest earlier mid 1970s production to me.But what do I know?

Thanks, the plot thickens...

The parts possibly look like post-1965. but I don't  know much about the SKS
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: running-man on May 26, 2020, 05:20:39 PM
Not having the 01 on the piece parts strongly points to 01 being a likely year prefix. 

Gas block is cast...that's a post '70 part.  The trigger group is milled, which is a pre '66 part.  I think it's likely this gun was either built of scrubbed parts (though like BubbaZ states, it certainly doesn't overly look it) or is a gun built from NOS components, and then stamped to match after completion.  The short lug barrel is interesting, though everyone thinks of pressed and pinned barrels as the 'newest', Jianshe did continue building short lug guns like this through year 25 (1980). 

The difference between this gun and the year 23-25 Jianshe /26\ guns is that the Jianshe guns all used standard 'era correct' components whereas this one has components across the spectrum. 

Does the stock have any other markings besides the S/N (with or without the 01 prefix)?
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 05:24:33 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/jz865Jn/20200526-142014-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwygvY4)

(https://i.ibb.co/18kqfg5/20200526-142024-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pJSzv78)
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: running-man on May 26, 2020, 05:26:58 PM
Here is another Canadian '01 gun.  Very similar to yours:

(https://i.ibb.co/RHGcMpM/0105797-receiver-canada.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/FbCk65H/0105797-magazine.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/cT9fbrt/0105797-right-front.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/hfQnPSN/0105797-right-lug.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5vPgVw6/0105797-RSL.jpg)
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 05:28:45 PM
Quote from: running-man on May 26, 2020, 05:20:39 PM
Not having the 01 on the piece parts strongly points to 01 being a likely year prefix. 

Gas block is cast...that's a post '70 part.  The trigger group is milled, which is a pre '66 part.  I think it's likely this gun was either built of scrubbed parts (though like BubbaZ states, it certainly doesn't overly look it) or is a gun built from NOS components, and then stamped to match after completion.  The short lug barrel is interesting, though everyone thinks of pressed and pinned barrels as the 'newest', Jianshe did continue building short lug guns like this through year 25 (1980). 

The difference between this gun and the year 23-25 Jianshe /26\ guns is that the Jianshe guns all used standard 'era correct' components whereas this one has components across the spectrum. 

Does the stock have any other markings besides the S/N (with or without the 01 prefix)?

Thanks so much! That's wonderful information.   8)

The stock is of no help, the only stamp it has is TAPCO.... sadly I don't own the original stock.
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: running-man on May 26, 2020, 05:29:44 PM
No worries.

I hadn't seen the bottom of the TG in your collage photo.  That TG has clearly been scrubbed and restamped.  Really looks like a gun put together from parts for commercial export....
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 05:33:22 PM
Quote from: running-man on May 26, 2020, 05:26:58 PM
Here is another Canadian '01 gun.  Very similar to yours:


Yes, that does look very similar. very interesting.

thanks

Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 05:36:20 PM
Quote from: running-man on May 26, 2020, 05:29:44 PM
No worries.

I hadn't seen the bottom of the TG in your collage photo.  That TG has clearly been scrubbed and restamped.  Really looks like a gun put together from parts for commercial export....

Mystery solved. I own a "SCRUBBER" ....

LOL'Z....  :)
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: Bubbazinetti on May 26, 2020, 06:03:05 PM
Yes,I can see the images better now.The trigger group indeed looks ground and restamped.May probably be forced match.It does look good though.
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on May 26, 2020, 06:03:05 PM
Yes,I can see the images better now.The trigger group indeed looks ground and restamped.May probably be forced match.It does look good though.

Indeed, and doesn't miss a beat. 99% reliable, the 1% is probably ammo/user related.

It's real cockroach of a weapon. Indestructible.


Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: Bubbazinetti on May 26, 2020, 06:55:36 PM
Yeah man.You'd be amazed at what I've seen them go through.
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: Ghost51xxx on May 26, 2020, 07:38:58 PM
Looks like it has a Spectre Push Forward Magazine Release.
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: Bacarnal on May 26, 2020, 07:46:22 PM
Quote from: Ghost51xxx on May 26, 2020, 07:38:58 PM
Looks like it has a Spectre Push Forward Magazine Release.

Good catch, Ghost.  I've never seen one before.
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: Ghost51xxx on May 26, 2020, 07:38:58 PM
Looks like it has a Spectre Push Forward Magazine Release.

Yes it is. Best Bubba so far.
dance2
Title: Re: Early 7 digit Chinese SKS?
Post by: SHSKS on May 26, 2020, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: Bacarnal on May 26, 2020, 07:46:22 PM
Quote from: Ghost51xxx on May 26, 2020, 07:38:58 PM
Looks like it has a Spectre Push Forward Magazine Release.

Good catch, Ghost.  I've never seen one before.

They are excellent, very fast.