211, 234, 031, 31, 3Tk, BXN, NC Star, Serb, Yugo, East German, 'no-stamp', etc, etc.
Does anyone know of a comprehensive list, with pics (link?) of manufacturers/associated country of origin? I know most of the popular ones but I'm sure that I'm way short on the varieties.
When I first read the title I thought you were asking about the SKS stripper CLUB??? Was going to ask when that got started, LOL.
Quote from: Matchka on May 20, 2020, 09:40:33 PM
211, 234, 031, 31, 3Tk, BXN, NC Star, Serb, Yugo, East German, 'no-stamp', etc, etc.
Does anyone know of a comprehensive list, with pics (link?) of manufacturers/associated country of origin? I know most of the popular ones but I'm sure that I'm way short on the varieties.
I don't know of any Matchka but I've got a 351 to add when the list gets started.
We can certainly start one here. Post ‘em up and I’ll catalogue and sort them into a comprehensive thread. thumb1
I should have a pic of the 351 posted today or tomorrow. Thanks RM
pics of strippers, finally banana time!
Quote from: carls sks on May 21, 2020, 09:14:12 AM
pics of strippers, finally banana time!
You bring the strippers I'll bring the pole. rofl
THE GOOD ONES
ЗТК (ZTK): Завод Тульский имени Кирова = Zavod Tul'skiy imeni Kirova = Tula Plant named after Kirov
(https://i.ibb.co/93qvmwR/Tula-3-TK-diamond.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jZL59V7)
(https://i.ibb.co/X2m8nw0/Tula-3TK.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5MqFQ7p)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Dqcn7L/Tula-group.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fx6Khr1)
BXN: Czech stripper clips made by Sellier & Bellot
(https://i.ibb.co/9w4yND2/BXN.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dbpkrT6)
Unmarked: Yugoslavian strippers with phosphate treatment. Presumably, these were made at Igman Konjic (ИК, IK) or Prvi Partizan (ППУ, PPU) despite the lack of markings. Mine came from authentic boxes of ИК made M67 7.62x39mm ammunition, consisting of four full stripper clips per box.
(https://i.ibb.co/9NLc6Vb/Yugoslavian-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PNnFK9c)
(https://i.ibb.co/BjVY5XQ/Yugoslavian-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFWR4bM)
Chinese, various numbers, some with and some without circles: 21, 31, 211. Greenish phosphate treatment or blued.
(https://i.ibb.co/xMfw92M/Chinese-group.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tbxnjHb)
(https://i.ibb.co/qm2RZKQ/Chinese-21.jpg) (https://ibb.co/L9sCGm7)
(https://i.ibb.co/cbPx9v7/Chinese-31-circle.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f8bQWSP)
(https://i.ibb.co/7VK9w63/Chinese-31.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tcDd7W0)
(https://i.ibb.co/Cw85TFq/Chinese-31-authentic-pair.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zmxh0w1)
(https://i.ibb.co/yRwzv5K/Chinese-211-circle.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wL9nGC8)
(https://i.ibb.co/fqx0txy/Chinese-211.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6rWsbWT)
THE BAD ONES
NC Star, aka POS: 31 marked but the 31 stamp is seen on the inside as well, unlike authentic Chinese 31. The 31 is also a bit larger. Viewed end on the edges appear more rounded, less square, which seems to lead to binding when loading yet they do not hold the cartridges well. The indentation along the length is not as deep, thus reducing rigidity. I find they are difficult to load and they have a lot more play, i.e., the cartridges move laterally far more than authentic Chinese strippers. Sometimes cartridges fall out of the strippers.
Large circle 31 stamp on the obverse side
(https://i.ibb.co/dLbdNdZ/NC-Star-31-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MG8YzYd)
The 31 stamp shows through the thin steel on the reverse side
(https://i.ibb.co/PYmkJ4T/NC-Star-31-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N3VRfp1)
NC Star "31" on the left compared to an authentic military surplus Chinese 31 on the right
(https://i.ibb.co/gw43hDN/Chinese-31-right-NC-Star-31-left.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vmXHRJp)
Good info P32. I happen to have several of the bad 31's and I did notice they didn't hold cartridges the way they should. I didn't know NCStar made them. Thanks for pointing it out.
Well look at that, strippers that look good when the lights are even on!
Poles and Strippers:
Poles:
(https://i.ibb.co/y5Qp4L3/15900895025647815144834768100844.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ftx9Dmc)
Strippers (acquired in DS):
(https://i.ibb.co/qxt0KnT/15900897257756514744912273694743.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M9Y8rhF)
(https://i.ibb.co/FxCkDRv/15900897706765873190636002263411.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K0ScrTZ)
Purchased:
(https://i.ibb.co/tbBC2fC/15900899211595595925082079282571.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wKy6QH6)
I'm sure I've got more variety in my loaded chest pouches😁.
Observed Chinese Numbers: 21, 31, 111, 141, 211, 234, 341, 351, 386, 601, 619, 621, 948, 964
I have a original Norinco unmarked blued unit that came with my Labanu thumbhole sporter taped to the cleaning kit in the box.It functions well like any other Chicom stripper that I've used.I don't have any experience with the repro knockoffs.
I stand corrected.I cleaned the adhesive residue from the Sporter stripper and I found a 111 arsenal mark.So I guess it likely isn't a knockoff.I should have looked more carefully.
Some more from ready service:
(https://i.ibb.co/h9KPfwL/1590093537826161532573382261983.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c3NGLVk)
Of the ones in my first post, there is one that LOOKS like a 601, but the serif on the one makes it a 109. Also in this batch is a triangle 619, a 111, a 141, a 341, and a blank. Most of these other than the blank I would say are ChiCom.
I have a arsenal 964 in dark gray phosphate type finish.
How about East German BXN70 ?
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on May 21, 2020, 08:49:27 PM
I have a arsenal 964 in dark gray phosphate type finish.
How about East German BXN70 ?
BXN is Czech, Sellier & Bellot.
Ok,thanks for the clarification.I see now that code with a number is still all Czech origin.
Could the "3TK" marked clips also be considered Cyrillic for Teknici Zavod Kragujevac out of Yugoslavia or what is modern day Serbia as well as Russian?
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on May 22, 2020, 01:25:35 PM
Ok,thanks for the clarification.I see now that code with a number is still all Czech origin.
Yeah, the Czechs just started to add the year at some point apparently, so yours would be 1970.
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on May 22, 2020, 01:25:35 PM
Could the "3TK" marked clips also be considered Cyrillic for Teknici Zavod Kragujevac out of Yugoslavia or what is modern day Serbia as well as Russian?
It seems unlikely. The 3TK, either in a diamond, by itself, and generally with a small arrowhead pointing down below the T are all Tula.
Looking forward to the list! Thanks, RM!
Looking forward to seeing all this put together! Thanks RM!
firstchoice
Just when you think there re no more rabbit holes...
"I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date! No time to say hello goodbye, I'm late I'm late I'm late"... rofl
Hard not to have rabbit holes since most of the items here are from regimes that most of us can't understand the language, there is spotty (at least for us) documentation, etcetera. It makes "Through the Looking Glass" seem positively sane.
All the ones i have seem to be bxn or bxn68.
A real stripper clip collector would have one bxn of each year, just saying. rofl
Just took stock of my stripper clip stash (meager as it is);
'31' x 10
'621' x 6
'948' x 2
'MADE IN CHINA' x 1 (this one is odd; it looks like it was ground smooth and overstamped)
None of the factory codes are in a circle. All are blackened and I have no idea how or where I came by them. Probably a gun show 25+ years ago.
Can truly you get me a few snapshots of the made in China one? Sounds interesting! thumb1
Do we know how to distinguish those made for AKs or does it make any difference?It seems to me that they could be used interchangeably?
There's supposed to be good ones - with no stamps, and crappy ones without stamps. Any ideas on other distinguishing characteristics?
Dang! Excellent info here
Quote from: Matchka on June 02, 2020, 11:48:10 AM
There's supposed to be good ones - with no stamps, and crappy ones without stamps. Any ideas on other distinguishing characteristics?
No marking Yugoslavians. Other distinguishing characteristics: They're phosphated.
No marking Chinese: they're probably crap. They're blued. I'm not aware of any unmarked Chinese that are good.
31 marked Chinese: they may be crap or they may be originals. Different sized 31 marking, and different appearance looking end on. The good originals have grooves that appear a bit more square than rounded. Empirical approach, they work and the NC Star 31 marked ones do not work, or work poorly.
Czech and Russian ones are marked.
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on June 12, 2020, 10:43:09 AM
No marking Chinese: they're probably crap. They're blued. I'm not aware of any unmarked Chinese that are good.
Mostly crap, but some of them will work OK for some rifles. I bought a hundred of them. Out of the whole batch, about 20 would work reliably in one rifle.
Total crap shoot.
Being the frugal (cheap) bastid that I am, I use them to store ammo in a wood crate. At least it looks cool.
I just recently got access to a couple of thousand stripper clips at a LGS, most are factory 619.
(https://i.ibb.co/BzPZKLZ/20210324-190755.jpg)
Bought some stripper clips last year. Found some interesting markings.
https://ibb.co/album/tmjH0T
https://ibb.co/album/nMN8Df
Hoo sent me some strippers the other day, and there's some stamped "China".
They seem to be good ones. The rounds are held securely.
Got these a few weeks ago. L-R: 3Tk, BXN, 211. The 3Tk's came with the 'pin' tool.
(https://i.ibb.co/MgbsVMS/20210325-133223.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fXb2p4F)
Quote from: Matchka on March 25, 2021, 04:41:02 PM
. The 3Tk's came with the 'pin' tool.
What's the pin tool do?
Quote from: Steve2021 on March 25, 2021, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: Matchka on March 25, 2021, 04:41:02 PM
. The 3Tk's came with the 'pin' tool.
What's the pin tool do?
That looks to be a
Gas Port Cleaning Tool.
firstchoice
Pulled this from my stripper clip thread from last year to add it into this one.
Most are 3Tk which can be solo, in a diamond, in a square, or in a circle. Some also have U, P, I, or C stamped on them and then there are 31, (31), 23, 13, 58, and 141 stamped clips as well. I also have a bunch of 386 stamped Chinese clips.
(https://i.ibb.co/7njMxPB/2-AB999-F0-716-E-4-AE5-9-F88-F447-E57-F4-F28-1-201-a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3p4652V)
(https://i.ibb.co/44k85Ld/46830129-A94-B-4-A8-D-87-FD-78-EB3-FFDAF6-F-1-201-a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6DQHfSB)
(https://i.ibb.co/0Jxpzxw/BF278728-B343-479-A-870-E-0-B669-FA4-C7-EE-1-201-a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Jk9WS9h)
(https://i.ibb.co/jT2SzVP/02836-C84-3033-4-AEA-9-DBA-0-F22218-C15-EF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y3MxXDF)
Another version of the 619 stamp:
(https://i.ibb.co/6NXHHL8/20210326-073647.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vDX33Rh)
Quote from: firstchoice on March 26, 2021, 05:47:08 AM
Quote from: Steve2021 on March 25, 2021, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: Matchka on March 25, 2021, 04:41:02 PM
. The 3Tk's came with the 'pin' tool.
What's the pin tool do?
That looks to be a Gas Port Cleaning Tool.
firstchoice
Sounds legit. It was mixed in with the batch of 3TK's.
Are those BXN stripper clips any good? I’ve been advised they were not made for the SKS and may be a little too wide to fit in an SKS correctly.
I believe the BXN strippers were Czech or Yugo made by Sellier & Bellot.
Czech, they can be tight in some SKSs, but fit good in others, there can be little variances in clip guides and clips. They are used in a Vz52-Vz58.. and yes, if they fit the particular SKS.. they work really good. I've loaded 30rds from strippers into my Vz58 many times.
Quote from: Greasemonkey on March 31, 2021, 07:19:26 PM
Czech, they can be tight in some SKSs, but fit good in others, there can be little variances in clip guides and clips. They are used in a Vz52-Vz58.. and yes, if they fit the particular SKS.. they work really good. I've loaded 30rds from strippers into my Vz58 many times.
Huh. So if I’m reading this right, they only work for certain models of SKS but not others due to inconsistencies in the clips?
Quote from: Chevy Boy on March 31, 2021, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on March 31, 2021, 07:19:26 PM
Czech, they can be tight in some SKSs, but fit good in others, there can be little variances in clip guides and clips. They are used in a Vz52-Vz58.. and yes, if they fit the particular SKS.. they work really good. I've loaded 30rds from strippers into my Vz58 many times.
Huh. So if I’m reading this right, they only work for certain models of SKS but not others due to inconsistencies in the clips?
More, they were designed for Eastern European weapons that are chambered in the 7.62x39 and there are inconsistencies in the SKSs that people use them on. In other words, it's probably the Asian weapons that have issues because of Tolerance differences and QC in manufacturing of the SKS and AK platforms
I have one Chinese they work fine in, another Chinese they fit tight. Technically, they were not developed for the SKS.. it just so happens they fit the x45 and x39 cartridge and happen to fit most SKSs. The Czechs did not bow and use the SKS or AK design... they roll differently, a true commie rebel of the time. chuckles1
Quote from: Greasemonkey on March 31, 2021, 11:07:18 PM
The Czechs did not bow and use the SKS or AK design... they roll differently, a true commie rebel of the time. chuckles1
Likely the only time that being a commie rebel was a good thing.
Does anybody have any information on the stripper clips marked "CTC"?
Are they commercial, milsurp? Anybody have experience using them?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254900586561
Never seen that stamp on a clip before, but vaguely recall something like that on older Russian ammo boxes. Chinese have been historically stamped with numbers if anything so more than likely Russian.
As long as they aren't newer Chinese they'll probably be okay.
Thats a new one.. I almost lean towards modern reproduction.. out of the few hundred strippers I have Yugo, Czech, Chinese(milsurp), Russian.. none are blued and stamped like that. They are all parkerized finished. The blued strippers have always ended up in the trash, they just typically don't work smoothly.
Typically Russian strippers have this stamp or something similar
(https://global.discourse-cdn.com/business6/uploads/cartridgecollectors/original/3X/5/f/5faa15a85f5b1fc4f91eb33c1b3fd7d169569370.jpeg)
I've had both old Chinese milsurp (arsenal stamped, but not 31/(31).) and Russian that were blued. Both worked fine, but I agree most blued are newer Chinese semi functional at best.
Quote from: Greasemonkey on November 11, 2022, 11:04:21 AM
Thats a new one.. I almost lean towards modern reproduction.. out of the few hundred strippers I have Yugo, Czech, Chinese(milsurp), Russian.. none are blued and stamped like that. They are all parkerized finished. The blued strippers have always ended up in the trash, they just typically don't work smoothly.
Typically Russian strippers have this stamp or something similar
(https://global.discourse-cdn.com/business6/uploads/cartridgecollectors/original/3X/5/f/5faa15a85f5b1fc4f91eb33c1b3fd7d169569370.jpeg)
Interesting…I’ve got a couple dozen of those 3TK strippers that are blued. Never seen one that was parkerized.
All of the blued ones I've come across had no markings.. and usually didn't work well at all and even felt flimsy. I also use SKS strippers to load or top off both of my Vz58s.... aka.. the BXN Czech strippers at times.. yup.. the SKS stripper isn't just used exclusively on SKSs... shoving 30rds into that rifle brings out weaknesses in clips very fast compared to the single 10rd shove in an SKS.