Starting bid at $4000................... Besplode
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/853662380
I am definitely not bidding on it!
Nope, nope, nope!!!
Pricey, but it's another number in the database! thumb1
That's definitely an interesting one. Serial number ㄹㅁ1032_ㅁ is the earliest example of a Type 63 in my tentative dating scheme table where the second letter after the ㄹ represents the year (unknown which year, but presumably in order of the alphabet where ㅁ is the earliest letter observed), and has a ㅁ=May suffix letter.
I pulled that number as ㄹㅁ1032_ㅍ especially based on the magazine...
What do you think?
(https://i.ibb.co/B6wQpL0/1032-magazine.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/S7TQCGW/1032-receiver.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/P5sqxc7/1032-trigger-group.jpg)
Hmm, yeah, I think you're right. Back to a December month code in that case. We've only seen November and December for this "year" before, so it's consistent.
Maybe I'm blind, but I just don't see the other $3,500 worth of gun there... nea1
Quote from: Randy on January 22, 2020, 03:35:12 PM
Maybe I'm blind, but I just don't see the other $3,500 worth of gun there... nea1
You are not blind. I would not pay or bid on it for that much either. I could pay off a whole bunch of bills with that amount of money! ;)
Quote from: Randy on January 22, 2020, 03:35:12 PM
Maybe I'm blind, but I just don't see the other $3,500 worth of gun there... nea1
Rarity and history, which are two of the main factors that drive prices in the collector's market. There are only 38 North Korean Type 63 carbines recorded as existing in the USA. 100% of those examples were brought back from the Vietnam War by returning US servicemen, since there is no other way for North Korean manufactured firearms to have entered the US. Type 63s run from about $3000 to 4500 currently, so this one is not priced out of the market.
알다시피, 그 금액을 가져 오기 위해 서류를 입증해야합니까?
Quote from: Randy on January 22, 2020, 08:31:19 PM
알다시피, 그 금액을 가져 오기 위해 서류를 입증해야합니까?
All that I could come up with in Translator:
"You know, I have to prove the documents to get that amount." Close?
firstchoice
thumb1
Close enough. What it's supposed to say is closer to- do they have the documents to prove it for that amount?
As P32 stated.... these don't need papers to prove squat.
I would find it foolish to take it on faith....at least for that price.
Quote from: Randy on January 23, 2020, 05:43:05 PM
I would find it foolish to take it on faith....at least for that price.
I know Randy from elsewhere and he is not foolish! But, many others are fools and their money are soon parted! Take it for what it is worth! Pays your money and take your chances! He and I both work for our money and dont get any thing handed to us for free! ;)
Quote from: astronut on January 23, 2020, 07:38:52 PM
Quote from: Randy on January 23, 2020, 05:43:05 PM
I would find it foolish to take it on faith....at least for that price.
I know Randy from elsewhere and he is not foolish! But, many others are fools and their money are soon parted! Take it for what it is worth! Pays your money and take your chances! He and I both work for our money and dont get any thing handed to us for free! ;)
thankyou1
What country made it, North Korea, where it came from, Vietnam, and how it got here, returning US service member, are not in doubt and require no faith. It's just the only route for the North Korean Type 63s to have entered the country thumb1
It is undoubtedly a lot of money and requires earnest consideration of whether or not you are interested in these SKS variants. You're right though, if it wouldn't give you at least $4000 worth of enjoyment to own it for some time then you would be foolish to bid on it :)
P.S. I didn't pay as much for mine and I'm not selling :))
Not really arguing, just considering the reality that anything can be faked. :) And people can lie. Pretty much why almost any collector of anything would want to see some kind of verification as to origin and method of entry into the USA.
This marking would be challenging to fake (although I do dislike white fill)
(https://i.ibb.co/p3HVF9S/Type-63-cover.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sFTxYMZ)
The Korean letters and serial number would be relatively hard to fake, especially without evidence of scrubbing the receiver to eliminate another country's serial number.
(https://i.ibb.co/vmqqWBq/pix772949346.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5v44394)
The Korean letters and serial numbers amidst deep pitting (jungle patina) would be hard to fake.
(https://i.ibb.co/r4hY4DT/pix098302288.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bzVTzcq)
(https://i.ibb.co/Kw6fNRp/pix119828513.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4dWXs9n)
...you sure you aren't from Missouri rofl
Thats blood rust putting of the marble swirl type if I've ever seen it.
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on January 23, 2020, 11:14:14 PM
This marking would be challenging to fake (although I do dislike white fill)
(https://i.ibb.co/p3HVF9S/Type-63-cover.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sFTxYMZ)
The Korean letters and serial number would be relatively hard to fake, especially without evidence of scrubbing the receiver to eliminate another country's serial number.
(https://i.ibb.co/vmqqWBq/pix772949346.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5v44394)
The Korean letters and serial numbers amidst deep pitting (jungle patina) would be hard to fake.
(https://i.ibb.co/r4hY4DT/pix098302288.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bzVTzcq)
(https://i.ibb.co/Kw6fNRp/pix119828513.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4dWXs9n)
...you sure you aren't from Missouri rofl
As a matter of fact, I was bred and born in Florissant, North St. Louis County, St. Louis suburb in Misery errr....I mean Missouri. Lived there until I was old enough to skedaddle. Then lived in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Montana, Wyoming, Washington St, North Dakota, Colorado, and finally ended up stuck here in Iowa on a small hobby farm. So, yeah, I question everything.
Nevertheless, I do agree with you. Although it would be very hard to fake those stamps and the rest of it's condition, it's not impossible. Just wouldn't be very cost effective.
My imagination (about how it spent it's mechanical life) isn't great enough to find that much value in it. Obviously that's just my opinion. It might be different had I been shipped to Vietnam when I enlisted but I wasn't.
What am I seeing on the stock, behind the trigger guard?
Another stamp?
Quote from: Larry D. on January 24, 2020, 05:17:55 PM
What am I seeing on the stock, behind the trigger guard?
Another stamp?
It does look like it. Possibly a narrow topped 2 inside a box (square or rectangle)? One side is missing near as I can tell.
Quote from: Larry D. on January 24, 2020, 05:17:55 PM
What am I seeing on the stock, behind the trigger guard?
Another stamp?
Yes, I believe it's the 4th consonant in the Hangul alphabet, ㄹ, inside a circle. That letter precedes all serial numbers for the Type 63 SKS and the 5 serial numbers for Type 58 AKs that I've been able to find, so I suspect it indicates the state armaments arsenal where those carbines were produced, though that's unsubstantiated. The ㄹ in a circle on the stock could just be the arsenal mark and/or a quality control inspectors mark.
Look closer...it's in a square.
Quote from: Randy on January 24, 2020, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on January 23, 2020, 11:14:14 PM
This marking would be challenging to fake (although I do dislike white fill)
(https://i.ibb.co/p3HVF9S/Type-63-cover.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sFTxYMZ)
The Korean letters and serial number would be relatively hard to fake, especially without evidence of scrubbing the receiver to eliminate another country's serial number.
(https://i.ibb.co/vmqqWBq/pix772949346.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5v44394)
The Korean letters and serial numbers amidst deep pitting (jungle patina) would be hard to fake.
(https://i.ibb.co/r4hY4DT/pix098302288.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bzVTzcq)
(https://i.ibb.co/Kw6fNRp/pix119828513.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4dWXs9n)
...you sure you aren't from Missouri rofl
As a matter of fact, I was bred and born in Florissant, North St. Louis County, St. Louis suburb in Misery errr....I mean Missouri. Lived there until I was old enough to skedaddle. Then lived in Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Montana, Wyoming, Washington St, North Dakota, Colorado, and finally ended up stuck here in Iowa on a small hobby farm. So, yeah, I question everything.
Nevertheless, I do agree with you. Although it would be very hard to fake those stamps and the rest of it's condition, it's not impossible. Just wouldn't be very cost effective.
My imagination (about how it spent it's mechanical life) isn't great enough to find that much value in it. Obviously that's just my opinion. It might be different had I been shipped to Vietnam when I enlisted but I wasn't.
When you were in Louisiana you should have stayed there! Your life would be so much better now! :P
Ya'll don't have southern accents anymore, what fun is that?!
Quote from: Randy on January 24, 2020, 07:02:34 PM
Ya'll don't have southern accents anymore, what fun is that?!
Meh, what you be talking about? We be going down to the bayou to load up and catch us some gators, some frogs and other stuff!
The guys from Louisiana sounded more like they were from the Bronx :P
Quote from: astronut on January 24, 2020, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: Randy on January 24, 2020, 07:02:34 PM
Ya'll don't have southern accents anymore, what fun is that?!
Meh, what you be talking about? We be going down to the bayou to load up and catch us some gators, some frogs and other stuff!
And mud bugs!
Quote from: Bacarnal on January 24, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
The guys from Louisiana sounded more like they were from the Bronx :P
Meh, them der be some fighting words! Come on down, we be needing all the gator bait we can be gitten! ;) :P
The bad part about a southern accent? it can't be replicated in print.... rofl2
Quote from: Randy on January 24, 2020, 09:20:44 PM
The bad part about a southern accent? it can't be replicated in print.... rofl2
True, but the terminology works well in print.
Quote from: Larry D. on January 24, 2020, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: Randy on January 24, 2020, 09:20:44 PM
The bad part about a southern accent? it can't be replicated in print.... rofl2
True, but the terminology works well in print.
Ya'll jus git upinhere hills, I'll shows youins an accent.