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Title: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: sagesbrush on October 02, 2018, 09:15:22 PM
I have a Russian SKS letter gun: Has a Russian looking "N" after the serial number with the five pointed star on the side of receiver. I believe the "N" places the receiver manufacture date as 1957. It is a all stamped matching rework. The receiver cover has the Tula star and is dated 1955. Any ideas on this receiver cover/receiver date gap? Did they just have covers left over from 1955 that they were put on the "N" receivers??
Title: Re: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: Phosphorus32 on October 02, 2018, 09:39:21 PM
You’re correct, the И suffix on a Tula means 1957. The receiver cover with a 1955 just means they grabbed a used cover during refurbishment, scrubbed the existing serial number and stamped on the number for your rifle.
Title: Re: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: running-man on October 03, 2018, 11:24:24 AM
To add to P32's excellent response here's an example of an obviously mismatched receiver cover.  Look at the fonts and you can tell which parts are original and which are not:

(https://image.ibb.co/gk2sEK/AT1733_receiver.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kpnsEK/AT1733_receiver_cover_top.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/efxETe/AT1733_receiver_cover.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/kzpiMz/AT1733_bolt_carrier.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/bZBxgz/AT1733_magazine.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/bOSQZK/AT1733_trigger_group.jpg)
Title: Re: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: sagesbrush on October 08, 2018, 05:57:15 PM

Question: Does having a letter gun receiver(1957) make this SKS more valuable. As stated above it picked up a 1955 receiver cover during rework.
Title: Re: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: Phosphorus32 on October 08, 2018, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: sagesbrush on October 08, 2018, 05:57:15 PM

Question: Does having a letter gun receiver(1957) make this SKS more valuable. As stated above it picked up a 1955 receiver cover during rework.

A matching letter gun, all other things being equal, is a bit more valuable than the more common Russians like 1951-54 Tulas. But this one is not all original so it is in the refurbished shooter grade category where I don't think the letter gun aspect adds much value, especially because of the clearly non-original receiver cover.
Title: Re: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: Boris Badinov on October 09, 2018, 08:41:20 AM
The serif 3's on the serial number look like the early Chinese serial fonts. I don't recall ever having seen that font on a soviet gun (though it is entirely possible).

Is this one of the Sino-Albanian sneaks? Possibly an I.O. import?
Title: Re: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: running-man on October 09, 2018, 10:48:30 AM
It's a TGI import from the early batch of Sino-Banians.  Could very easily have been scrubbed and forced matched in China Boris.  Seems plausible with the serif on the 3's as I can't recall seeing that font on any other Russian guns either.  It's pretty distinctive, good eye.  thumb1

(https://preview.ibb.co/jX2sB9/AT1733_import_stamp2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c4V14U)
Title: Re: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: Boris Badinov on October 09, 2018, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: running-man on October 09, 2018, 10:48:30 AM
It's a TGI import from the early batch of Sino-Banians.  Could very easily have been scrubbed and forced matched in China Boris.  Seems plausible with the serif on the 3's as I can't recall seeing that font on any other Russian guns either.  It's pretty distinctive, good eye.  thumb1

(https://preview.ibb.co/jX2sB9/AT1733_import_stamp2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c4V14U)

Only the 3's are similar to the Chinese stamps. The other numbers and the Cyrillic letters bear strong resemblances to known soviet fonts.

I heavily suspect that this one ended up in Tirana via Moscow, not China. And the serif 3 stamps probably came from China along with Type 56's, or crafted in Albania. (I'd even go so far to posit that, with the exception of the Soviet-Sino guns [0001 to ~2000], no other "Soviet" guns ended up in the Chinese small arms arsenal).




Title: Re: Russian Letter SKS
Post by: running-man on October 09, 2018, 03:04:12 PM
I think the 7's are very reminiscent of early Chinese stamps too.  The 1's are totally different. 
(https://image.ibb.co/dexR4U/18376_receiver.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gsrVW9)

The A's are also totally different from the letter A Chinese guns.
(https://image.ibb.co/mvYoJp/A5726_bolt_carrier.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

And of course, all numerals are wildly different from the assumed native stamps used on Alby 561s:
(https://image.ibb.co/nMXXdp/09473_receiver.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d6zCdp)