Picked up this 13 mil from my favorite seller at the local gun show today. He's a Vietnam USN vet and he was selling a few items for his friend, the surviving brother of his 'Nam vet sibling, who tragically departed the Earth three years ago.
It looks like the stock was badly broken by a sideways blow, like swinging it at the ground. It was pinned all over with brass pins and glued and had at least a partial recoat of lacquer or shellac. I'm not touching it, just part of it's history now. The brass cross bolt is remarkable. Fits great inside, really fine work.
All the numbers match down to the EP'd gas piston and the bluing is in great condition. No import marks anywhere, and I scoured every square centimeter under fluorescent lights and sunlight. The bayonet bolt is still staked.
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SERIAL NUMBERS
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That.....is.....AWESOME thumb1
Very nice P32!!! What does that brass crossbolt look like on the inside where the receiver should rest?
Quote from: running-man on March 25, 2017, 08:45:57 PM
Very nice P32!!! What does that brass crossbolt look like on the inside where the receiver should rest?
Thanks RM! It looks like an SKS crossbolt should. It's quite well done.
Oh, of course it didn't come with papers, or I would have posted them. But I took it home for a beater SKS price...I didn't even haggle :))
SHAAWINNNNGGGG!!! Very cool indeed!!!
Quote from: padams8888 on March 25, 2017, 09:50:43 PM
SHAAWINNNNGGGG!!! Very cool indeed!!!
:)) Thanks Pat!
I like it.....I want it.... bat1. rofl2
Cool brass thingy in it.. I wanna see the inside part.. Just curious :)
Very nice snag..... You know, I dont have a 68. bat1
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on March 25, 2017, 10:05:52 PM
Very nice snag..... You know, I dont have a 68. bat1
Thanks LC! rofl
Missing SN pics
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EP'd numbers on the piston and tube are hard to capture.
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Thanks GM! I'll have my eyes peeled for a Jimmy raid rofl
Okay, RM and GM, here are the crossbolt details.
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Something isn't right, better have me take a closer look in person.... You still have my guys ffl? Aaaaalrightythen!
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on March 25, 2017, 11:04:30 PM
Something isn't right, better have me take a closer look in person.... You still have my guys ffl? Aaaaalrightythen!
Laff, I'll get right on that shipment...right after I send a Mosin to RM
Your lies are old, but you tell them well!
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on March 25, 2017, 11:13:35 PM
Your lies are old, but you tell them well!
chuckles1
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screw ffl guy.. I emailed you my C&R.. Ill take it... rofl
Thats cool as hell.. thumb1
RMs getting a Mosin? :o
Laugh, look at these guys humping your leg like over excited puppies! dance3 explode1 negative1
That crossbolt is probably the neatest thing I've seen this month. Whoever made that had some mad skills and a decent mill. Can't even see any file marks on it & the edges are chamfered to perfection. thumb1
Color me green with envy. drool2
Sweet score....and nice inverted take down lever....the recess for it sure looks unusual....
Quote from: Justin Hell on March 25, 2017, 11:50:53 PM
Sweet score....and nice inverted take down lever....the recess for it sure looks unusual....
I don't think 12s and 13s with inverted levers had the recess. It was probably done after the fact.
Quote from: Power Surge on March 26, 2017, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: Justin Hell on March 25, 2017, 11:50:53 PM
Sweet score....and nice inverted take down lever....the recess for it sure looks unusual....
I don't think 12s and 13s with inverted levers had the recess. It was probably done after the fact.
I didn't know that. The relief in the stock is certainly rather asymmetrical, so very well could be post-manufacture.
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on March 26, 2017, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: Power Surge on March 26, 2017, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: Justin Hell on March 25, 2017, 11:50:53 PM
Sweet score....and nice inverted take down lever....the recess for it sure looks unusual....
I don't think 12s and 13s with inverted levers had the recess. It was probably done after the fact.
I didn't know that. The relief in the stock is certainly rather asymmetrical, so very well could be post-manufacture.
I have seen a few bringbacks with them that looked like someone just took a rasp file and hastily gouged out a recess. It makes me wonder if the inverted take down levers were installed after being issued without them.
Quote from: Justin Hell on March 26, 2017, 08:06:17 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on March 26, 2017, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: Power Surge on March 26, 2017, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: Justin Hell on March 25, 2017, 11:50:53 PM
Sweet score....and nice inverted take down lever....the recess for it sure looks unusual....
I don't think 12s and 13s with inverted levers had the recess. It was probably done after the fact.
I didn't know that. The relief in the stock is certainly rather asymmetrical, so very well could be post-manufacture.
I have seen a few bringbacks with them that looked like someone just took a rasp file and hastily gouged out a recess. It makes me wonder if the inverted take down levers were installed after being issued without them.
Here's MY theory....
Reports from SKS jungle/heavy brush use during Vietnam war -
Soldiers - "hey, these take down levers tend to get caught on stuff often"
Arsenal 26 - "hmm, if we turn them upside down, they will be more flush with the stock and not snag on stuff"
<levers flipped on mid 12mil through 13mil>
Soldiers - "hey, now it's hard to flip the levers because they are flush with the stock and hard to grab"
Arsenal 26 - "hmm, if we put a little notch in the stock, that will make getting the lever easier"
<stocks notched on 14mil with upside down lever>
Then at some point between 69 and 70, they decide to go back to the original lever and stock configuration for the 15 mil.
Quote from: Power Surge on March 26, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: Justin Hell on March 26, 2017, 08:06:17 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on March 26, 2017, 11:59:19 AM
Quote from: Power Surge on March 26, 2017, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: Justin Hell on March 25, 2017, 11:50:53 PM
Sweet score....and nice inverted take down lever....the recess for it sure looks unusual....
I don't think 12s and 13s with inverted levers had the recess. It was probably done after the fact.
I didn't know that. The relief in the stock is certainly rather asymmetrical, so very well could be post-manufacture.
I have seen a few bringbacks with them that looked like someone just took a rasp file and hastily gouged out a recess. It makes me wonder if the inverted take down levers were installed after being issued without them.
Here's MY theory....
Reports from SKS jungle/heavy brush use during Vietnam war -
Soldiers - "hey, these take down levers tend to get caught on stuff often"
Arsenal 26 - "hmm, if we turn them upside down, they will be more flush with the stock and not snag on stuff"
<levers flipped on mid 12mil through 13mil>
Soldiers - "hey, now it's hard to flip the levers because they are flush with the stock and hard to grab"
Arsenal 26 - "hmm, if we put a little notch in the stock, that will make getting the lever easier"
<stocks notched on 14mil with upside down lever>
Then at some point between 69 and 70, they decide to go back to the original lever and stock configuration for the 15 mil.
That makes sense, although, it seems like it would have made sense the first time they built one. :)
I wonder if there was a surplus of regular stocks they had to use before adaptation could be implemented...I chalked up the ones that looked altered after the fact to being field work, or just an additional step that had to be done by hand during assembly. I admit being clueless about the methods used to make the stocks, but I am assuming it was mostly automated. Altering the process might have been tough to implement.
I like the shape of this one... Any way they do it, they overdo it though...IMO...there are several aftermarket stocks that make accommodations for them, but in such a way that you could use them for either style and it not seem like overkill. Perhaps I am just overly sensitive to it, I just put an ITL stock on the only gun I have without a takedown lever....and that gouge is just, there. :))
Maybe I will just cut down an Allen wrench.
Nice looking rifle. I, too, really like that brass cross bolt.
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on March 25, 2017, 10:33:20 PM
EP'd numbers on the piston and tube are hard to capture.
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A trick for taking pictures where you need to capture those kind of details taught in crime scene photography classes is to use a flashlight instead of your camera's flash. Shine the light from the side so that it causes a slight shadow to fall into the recessed detail.