I've often wondered but never seen an answer. Does anyone have any idea why the Yugoslavians put a NATO spec grenade launcher on the end of the 59/66? Weren't they a Soviet Bloc nation at the time?
Great question.... but, Yugoslavia had a previous falling out with the Soviet Union, more or less had separated from the Soviets in 1948. While Russia had some influence, it was not near as strong as other communist nations. Yugoslavia could have possibly been looking at buying future ammunition supplies from the Western nations as a total snub to Russia.
Yugoslavia had their own ammo production as well as other capabilities the other communist nations didn't. Also with the NATO launcher, there are other differences in arms, Yugoslavia loved Mausers, Russia had the Mosin. While Yugoslavia was communist, they were not part of the Pact, the Warsaw Pact included: Russia, East Germany, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia and in the beginning, Albania. I also think there is a NATO launcher for Polish and Hungarian AKs.
What about the Romanian Grenade Launcher? 😉
(http://rs760.pbsrc.com/albums/xx241/mrobb99/SKSGrenadeLauncher2.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on October 05, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
What about the Romanian Grenade Launcher? 😉
(http://rs760.pbsrc.com/albums/xx241/mrobb99/SKSGrenadeLauncher2.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
An FN49 GL?
http://www.ima-usa.com/original-belgian-fn-49-safn-grenade-launcher-compatible-with-sks.html
French for meters is mètres, and Romanian is metri.
I dont think so... I once thought maybe. But the muzzle on an FN is completely dif. Pretty sure M08 actually tried it on several FN versions..... Not even close.
I believe I used to have one of the training grenades for that Romanian style.....quite a bit smaller in diameter for the launch bore.....looked like a little missile. I could be confusing it with the Polish though......
Thanks for the info. It's always seemed a little weird to me. :)
Ok...lets beat this 5 or so year old dead horse a little more :) GM's fav-o-rite game......what if? :o
Now, lets say for gets and shiggles, they got the rifle correct, say it "was" designed for an SKS. Ok, I'll be nice...I'll play ball in this court think1
But, now ... let look at another querk.. Romania is claimed to be the user. Ummmkay. :)
Why couldn't Yugoslavia been the user... the non-aligned, non-Warsaw pact nation, why would Romania a Warsaw pact nation use a Nato launcher....... Who/what nation had gotten a fascination with spigot launchers, where almost every model AK had a launcher as well. Yugoslavia also had relations, even an embassy(Romania don't) with uhm..Belgium, who also incidentally manufactured the Energa system made by MECAR. Tito was one of the few Eastern European leaders able to stand up to Russia, I think he was trying slowly to pull out of the harsh communism with some early relations with the rest of the NATO nations, even the US. Would Mother Russia even allow Romania who was under Russian control to even use a NATO launcher without some kind of repercussions? Russia went nuts when the Czechs changed to 7.62x45 ammo...it goes against their logistical weapons supply, which is why they were forced back to x39.
Who also developed and shoved a 22mm NATO sized launcher, like France, the UK, Spain and the US on their M59/66. Is it so far fetched, they wouldn’t have tried these launchers on the M59, which lead to the M59/66 development after finding out all the weaknesses in the carbine for launching? Or did Yugoslavia hope by the graces of the war gods that simply copying the CETME, FNFAL and Mas 49/56 would suffice. They had to start somewhere, it wasn't let do this and hope it works, something drove that design, because it worked well enough to make them for 20+ years.
We see Romania as the listed "user", but how many Romanian SKSs have "new" stocks after refurb, usually they don't, they are just mismatched around though vs. how many Yugoslavian M59s have nicey new fresh stocks? Now, launching grenades whoops a stock due to the recoil, M1 Carbines suffered this, Garands as well, so why did Yugoslavia replace so many stocks, were they just dirty, ugly, scratched and beat to death, or did launching cause damage that over time required replacement with new stocks. Once the M59/66 was developed the M59 kind of fell to the curb, the M59/66 was an all in one package then, designed to fire grenades, with sights, night sights, a spigot, beefed up stock and a new development, and a gas shut off, just like a lot of other NATO sized launching weapons, you have options, choices, a blank fire grenade or a bullet trap grenade..
Again Romania ::) ......and look who it borders, Serbia, guess that little launcher couldn't grow fairy wings by any chance find it's way across a border now could it and instantly become Romanian..I bet a jelly doughnut if one looks hard enough, in every nook and cranny, their might be one in Bulgaria as well, maybe even scrounge one up in Hungary. thumb1
Again, it's a thought.. maybe some are in the right church, just have the wrong pew.. Just another big unsubstantiated "what if" thumb1 :)
Exactly.. you know I only posted "Romanian" to suck you into the conversation. chuckles1
Here is a catch.... it absolutely will NOT fit a Yugo M59. :o
So, what country may have been equipped with sks rifles that turned nato friendly?
Ill give ya a hint...
(http://publicradio1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/newscut/files/legacy/content_images/faast_1.jpg)
(http://www.worldpressphoto.org/sites/default/files/styles/carousal/public/1971013GJ.jpg?itok=JFTepZgd)
It might.... no one has seen a serial 102 or so through 13000 or so.. that whole serial block is missing...but again, what if :) rofl2
Those zanny Yugos.. fart1
It also will NOT even come close to fitting the Long Barrel M59 serials 1 through 100. So I HIGHLY doubt they were made for a very small, limited, and specific serial group of 13k Yugos that were likely not any smaller at the mounting location. All yugos are just.... bigger. nea1
Interestingly enough, it fits the Romanian with some play. It actually kinks sideways a bit when you tighten it down making it not perpendicular with the bore. It DOES however fit perfect, and I mean PERFECT, on every single one of my spike bayo Chinese /26\ guns.
Just happens to be what Bangladesh had many many of after the Bang/Pak split. :)
After Pakistan decided to attack an airbase or two in India (smack in middle of east/west Pakistan).... nato got involved, India kicked west Pakistans ass, and east Pakistan became Bangladesh which was then taken under Natos wing of protection. thumb1
Only circumstance I know of where a nation would be Nato supported after having vast amounts of Chinese sks rifles prior.
So if you ask me what nation is a "major non nato ally" having many sks with a need for said nato country supplied GLs.... I say Bangladesh. thumb1
Very good discussion. So I query the crowd to mash things up a little, if it is Bangladesh that has these odd grenade launchers on their Chinese-supplied SKSs, do their receivers also sport the ambigious "DB" stamp?
Quote from: montigre on October 07, 2016, 03:53:57 PM
Very good discussion. So I query the crowd to mash things up a little, if it is Bangladesh that has these odd grenade launchers on their Chinese-supplied SKSs, do their receivers also sport the ambigious "DB" stamp?
No clue... I know that Pakistan was supplied Chinese sks before the split and they are clearly seen as Chinese rifles in hundreds of pictures, but I have not seen any clear shots of the receiver markings. Likely never will !!
I did however run across some chinamen on chinaweb once stating the DB and DP were some type of police marking. Im guessing similar to the PS guns. I can see that because of the city characters also stamped on them. Reminds me of the Rising guns issued to police in the US.
Funny...I was just going to look up this thread.
Look what I found a Chinese eBay seller offering....
Chinese grenade launcher sights... :o
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-Chinese-T-56-7-62mm-SKS-Sights-/131950012492?hash=item1eb8d5684c:g:hxoAAOSwTA9X3~nm
I still am trying to wrap my head around how they would work...as they are FUNKY looking. It being a Chinese seller lends a little towards it being what he says it is...maybe. They also have some strange T-54 'parts' that I am bewildered by....thoughts?
http://chinesesks.weebly.com/grenade-launcher.html
Pointless to have the sights and no launcher yet alone TWO sights.... And no launcher. dash2
T54 machinegun parts. Guy is crazy
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on October 08, 2016, 12:24:30 AM
http://chinesesks.weebly.com/grenade-launcher.html
Pointless to have the sights and no launcher yet alone TWO sights.... And no launcher. dash2
Why is it that I am always missing something over there?!
The second sight could be trade bait for the launcher....or the recoil pad....if you could ever find them.
Recoil pad... You have good eyes Danial son..
Im asking the seller if he can get the launcher. Likely risky business paying big coin for something I'm nit sure is legal to mail here?
I don't think the ATF guys even know about them...customs would probably think it was a tie rod for a Honda. chuckles1
It would be neat to see a fully assembled SKS with the correct recoil pad.
Another thing to consider, did you look closely at that RSB? It isn't normal, and it appears to be machined that way...maybe? I would like to know if that example came with the launcher accessories, or if it was later modified to accept them. I sure would like a closer look at both sides of the RSB, and I am also curious if anything was either made differently or modified at the launcher end as well.
It clamps to the sight leaf. thumb1
There appears to be a groove added to the RSB to allow for clearance for the mount to the leaf though... Look closely on that first pic with it installed on the leaf. Granted I don't have any /26\ SKSs between 65 and 78...but none of my RSBs look like that. It also seems like it might not work on a long lug barrel. If my eyes aren't failing, that appears to be a short lug 67 it is installed on correct?
It also seems as if this thread has become derailed...for that I apologize.
Nope.. just clamps to the rear leaf.
I don't know Chinese geography that well. Is Shandong and Hong Kong one and the same? Or, in close proximity? The Ebay ad says the merchandise is coming from Shandong, China, while the Seller, (applebeez2014), is in Hong Kong. Just curious. Yeah, a bit off topic. But there's not much chatter on the board this past week. Gotta talk where you are, if that makes any sence since cents body wonder. fart1 I think it's going to be a long winter. Especially if it's a BAD November. It may fry my last working brain cell.
Besplode :P chuckles1
firstchoice
I dunno... Good question. You try google maping the two?
Hong Kong is 1623 km SSW of Shandong. Shandong is 364 km south of Beijing. thumb1