Straying off topic again but...
The original AR's are meant to be full auto as well. I think the real crux of the problem is the fact that AR's aren't having to be modified after the fact by various entities with various levels of skill to do what they should have been able to do from the start... take proper mags. A few brands are now all US made parts so they may fair better. Only time will tell.
As for my preference for AR's over AK's it's just a preference. Everyone is entitled to their own and I fully recognize a great many people have the reverse preference. That's fine it's what makes it a free county.
I still prefer the SKS to the AK. Full auto doesn't mean much to me. I've shot full auto several times and I don't have a personal purpose for it. I prefer to hit smaller things further away I guess.
I have to admit there was a time in my life where I kind of dismissed and looked down on AR's and any Tupperware firearm. My first carry gun back in NY was a full sized 1911. Then I actually got my hands on a friends decent modern AR and I shot a few Glocks. Within a year I had an AR and I traded my S&W wheel gun in on a Glock 19. My original opinions were based on ignorance and what i was told from older people who also spoke from ignorance. When I tried them for myself I liked them both. Even preferred them for many things.
That doesn't mean they are the only thing I like. As I've gotten older, even though my eyes have gotten worse, I prefer to shoot iron sights now more than I ever have. I'm not saying I am better at it, I just find it more enjoyable at the range than I used to.
It's a whole different feel to me to sit behind my SKS or Garand and send lead down range than to look through the glass of my target rifle. Which again i still enjoy but in a different non-nostalgic way.
I'm a financially terminal generalist collector/gun-nut, so I like my AR, and AKs, and SKSs, and Mausers, and Mosins, and... ::) For long range gong-ringing or paper-punching my AR beats my AK, in my hands. The AK has more of a no pretentiousness, feisty street-fighter feel to it, and wood furniture, and some history. My DD M4gery with no actual military-used parts doesn't have much of a historical feel to it, though it's backed up by plenty, but I still admire it's interesting and very different modular design, tight mil-spec tolerances, and tack-driving ability. Best of all, it makes me feel like a marksman rofl
Limiting the conversation to SKS, AK and AR, the SKS is hard to beat for history, since unlike any AK or AR that I'll ever own (I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars to build that type of collection, but love to look at others collections who do), all of my SKSs are in original military configuration. The milled steel and simplicity of the SKS says robust performance and the wood stock says history, unlike any aluminum and plastic gun ever will thumb1
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 31, 2016, 12:55:06 PMThe milled steel and simplicity of the SKS says robust performance and the wood stock says history, unlike any aluminum and plastic gun ever will thumb1
Amen to that! thumb1 thumb1 thumb1
Quote from: SubCaliber on August 31, 2016, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 31, 2016, 12:55:06 PMThe milled steel and simplicity of the SKS says robust performance and the wood stock says history, unlike any aluminum and plastic gun ever will thumb1
Amen to that! thumb1 thumb1 thumb1
I second that! I like my x39 AR but my Russian SKS is my favorite for all the same reasons...hands down. yahoo1
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 31, 2016, 12:55:06 PM
I'm a financially terminal generalist collector/gun-nut, so I like my AR, and AKs, and SKSs, and Mausers, and Mosins, and... ::) For long range gong-ringing or paper-punching my AR beats my AK, in my hands. The AK has more of a no pretentiousness, feisty street-fighter feel to it, and wood furniture, and some history. My DD M4gery with no actual military-used parts doesn't have much of a historical feel to it, though it's backed up by plenty, but I still admire it's interesting and very different modular design, tight mil-spec tolerances, and tack-driving ability. Best of all, it makes me feel like a marksman rofl
Limiting the conversation to SKS, AK and AR, the SKS is hard to beat for history, since unlike any AK or AR that I'll ever own (I don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars to build that type of collection, but love to look at others collections who do), all of my SKSs are in original military configuration. The milled steel and simplicity of the SKS says robust performance and the wood stock says history, unlike any aluminum and plastic gun ever will thumb1
They make wood for the AR.
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-parts/furniture-sets/ar-15-m16-wood-rifle-furniture-sets-prod38906.aspx
whistle12
No plastic on mine.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150127_170734_798.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150127_170415_457.jpg)
And if you really wanted an steel and wood AR there's this; http://www.turnbullmfg.com/gun/tar-15-log-dt1841-turnbull-mfg/
(http://www.turnbullmfg.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/LS-full-dt1841-tar-15-1024x255.jpg)
A bit pricey for my blood though...
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2016, 06:31:47 PM
No plastic on mine.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150127_170734_798.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150127_170415_457.jpg)
very Nice!
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2016, 06:31:47 PM
No plastic on mine.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150127_170734_798.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150127_170415_457.jpg)
'cept for the magazine... rofl2
He got ya there! LOL
Roflmao.... Only one I had at the time. It has since been replacedced with many metal mags. thumb1
If I do go the AR route, I'm thinking about doing an 11" pistol with the black laminate carbine length handguard and grip from here:
http://woodforar.com/standard-grade-laminate/
(http://woodforar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/black2-470x264.jpg)
They sell direct to customers so I'm thinking about calling to see if I can get that set without the stock.
Thats where mine came from...
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2016, 06:31:47 PM
No plastic on mine.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150127_170734_798.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20150127_170415_457.jpg)
I have a Colt that I'd very much like to do this to. Did you have to special order the hand guard with the finger grooves?
They had a booth setup at a big gunshow in PA and my father picked that stock up. Do they not have the finger groove anymore on their site?
Heck, I dunno.... Maybe it was a dif vender. Could have sworn tbat was them.
Brownell's has a different brand that has the finger grooves in the handguard:
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-parts/furniture-sets/ar-15-m16-wood-rifle-furniture-sets-prod38906.aspx
Still womder who actually makes it though. Pics look like the same company.
It says Lucid on the Brownell's page but they could have someone else that makes it for them. Isn't Lucid an optics company?
No matter, that will be my Colt's Christmas present this year. I'm totally not a plastic kind of girl!! 8)
IMHO, rifles and pistols are "job specific", kinda of like we are. We each are good at "something" and we are hired for that skill set. Each firearm is a 'specialist' in doing "X". For long distance I prefer the Swede. Flat and fast. Mid range the AR comes out of the bag. Up close and personal it's the SKS. For the dinner table it's the JRC 9mm or the 10/22 and soon the 22 mag Henry lever. Each has it's strengths and weakness.
Marcus
True that, but I would personally place the SKS at mid-range and the AR for more up close and personal tasks or getting down and dirty in an urban environment. dance2
Had some sub moa groups at 300 yards with 556. It can reach out and touch a foo with great accuracy. In the Marines, I scored expert using iron sights hitting a man size target 9 outta 10 times at 500 meters.
I also did pretty well with 5.56 ammo and iron sights at distance and qualified sharpshooter when in the Army, but I was basing my opinion on size/weight and maneuverability of the weapon more than MOA accuracy. Valuatin' the complete package... :P
My dream build is a 18" bull side charger in 6.5 Grendel
When I was in JROTC, I qualified as Sharpshooter using a M-16. That was the highest we could get. The rules said that you couldn't get Expert as a JROTC cadet. The instructor at Ft. Devins said that my scores would have qualified for expert, if I were active duty, reserve, or NG. I also qualified sharpshooter with a pistol during that time and was on the school's marksmanship team. We shot .22 and .177 air rifles and pistols, as well as .22 bolt action rifles. When I was at Benning, I never got the chance to formally qualify due to my prior discussed medical condition diagnosis and subsequent discharge.
Getting back to the subject of furniture sets, check out these ones from Ironwood Designs. They have that old school M-16 triangle handguard complete with the heat venting holes. The examples in the pics on their site would lead one to believe the M-16/AR-15 was supposed to have wood on it from the start.
http://ironwooddesigns.com/IWDAR15.html