Hi everyone,
I believe I may have made another beginner's luck purchase. This one seems like it is one of the little known Yugo M59 LBs. It is a 1959 model imported through PW Arms; Redmond with matching numbers of 078. The furniture is in pretty rough cosmetic condition, but does not appear to be damaged in any way. The bore is listed as being average, but I was told, the gun has been shot quite a lot, so if it has been properly cleaned after use, it should be okay. It is missing the bayo and cleaning rod, but I should be able to find replacements for those.
Can anyone tell be if the 59 and 59/66 bayos are the same length?
Here are a couple of pics until I get it in my hands for better images:
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj597/montigre/M59%20Yugo%201_zps9skagkzb.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj597/montigre/M59%20Yugo_zpsuuvkmsqb.jpg)
Yup, true beginners luck thumb1 You'll find several of these here, I have 061. :)
The bayonet on the M59/66 is about 2 inches longer due to the launcher and has a more silver finish and a different locking mechanism. You would need a M59 bayonet to be correct, now the M59 bayonet is different due to the flat dark grey finish, and usually these are very difficult to find.
Thanks for the bayonet info GM; now I know what to look for and hopefully can find a replacement in the next couple of years. I see what you mean about the more subdued gray coloring on the M59 bayos.
Have you ever posted pics of your 061? I read through the M59 sticky, but it was not one of the samples listed.
Since these are old school Yugo SKSs, do you happen to know what type of finishing the furniture usually has--is it just a rubbed oil finish or did they use some type of shellac? I'd like to work off some of the outer surface dirt and grime without damaging the original finish. Thanks!!
Yea you did really good ! More pics is a plus if you can. If the M59 is the correct Bayo like GM said your really in luck because you know the chances if the 59 LB had its own bayo the great depression would be setting in. M59's are tough find but you'll find one eventually. I had an old M59 with a very frosty BBL and it shot just a good as its brothers.... Nice score ! I would'nt touch nothing on that gun. Its a collector and the stock will lose color and value if you do..
Oil finish on the wood, I have not seen a shellac coated Yugo, with maybe the exception of the G10 Bosnian, even tbose I cant say, Ive never seen on in the wild.
I "think" the LB and M59 are the same bayonet, I will have to measure them to be sure when I'm off, but I do know the M59/66 is different. I'm going to update the M59 sticky, hopefully soon to add the LB Yugo.
And yes I have posted it, http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=1834.0. thumb1
I will certainly post more pics when it arrives and you're right, probably should leave the wood alone since the seller stated all of the markings can still be read through whatever grime had accumulated on it.
GM, your #61 is a very nice sample, indeed!! You scored big with that acquisition!!
if you want to try to clean it, Ive used a decent lemon oil wood cleaner or in extreme nasty cases, Goop hand cleaner "without" pumice...the creamy stuff. I have used both with success. But, technically removing dirt, goop and grime can alter it in a purists eyes, but I dont like sticking to the wood. These two cleaners wont alter the markings or damage the wood, it may even require several wipe downs. Even just putting the stock in the hot summer sun for a few hours can leach and sweat out alot of the grim and years of grease and oil. Just wipe it down every so often with a clean towel or rag.
Just please do not use oven cleaner, purple power or some other harsh caustic cleaner. :o
Pretty sure this was of Raspootyns LBs he sold. Must be changing hands a few times.
Nice LB.. welcome to the club. thumb1
Montigre That's a nice carbine, lots of "character". I wouldn't risk altering the appearance at all either!
Haha...it does seem to have a lot of character from what I can see, but if it sticks to my hands like fly paper, I may have to break out the ol' lemon oil.
If it is one of the LBs that Raspootyn had picked up, I wonder why it is changing hands so relatively frequently. It appears to be well found and aside from the missing bayonet and cleaning rod, intact. It was definitely calling out to me as I was certainly not planning on picking up another right away...
I'm going to have to put these guys on some sort of birth control really soon... rofl
Quote from: montigre on July 17, 2016, 09:16:21 PM
Haha...it does seem to have a lot of character from what I can see, but if it sticks to my hands like fly paper, I may have to break out the ol' lemon oil.
If it is one of the LBs that Raspootyn had picked up, I wonder why it is changing hands so relatively frequently. It appears to be well found and aside from the missing bayonet and cleaning rod, intact. It was definitely calling out to me as I was certainly not planning on picking up another right away...
I'm going to have to put these guys on some sort of birth control really soon... rofl
Here's a good way to de-cosmo a saturated stock...
Wrap the stock in paper towels, and put it in a black trash bag. Then leave it out in the sun, and change the paper towels about every hour. The heat will draw the cosmo out, and the paper towels will soak it up.
Some of the regular M59s S.O.G. have or had not long ago didn't have bayonets when they came in, I "think" maybe Dans or another retailer might have gotten some bayonet-less M59s as well. No clue where they are or when or why they would have been removed. Sadly, I think it's going to be a fairly hard item to find, but hey, you got a LB Yugo, which is more than most can say.. thumb1 Just keep looking, hunting and searching the depths of the internet, gun shows/shops, auction sites and hell, just when your about to call it, one might fall in your lap. I measured all 3 M59s today, a LB and 2 regular M59s, the length on all three is right at 12 and 3/8ths, so I would say they are probably the same bayonet.
Probably doesn’t tell you much, but here is my standard M59 on top and a LB M59 on the bottom, no difference in visual or size I could find, or they are just so close, no one would really notice.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/m59/Long%20Barrel/SAM_2024_zpskh9danoy.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/m59/Long%20Barrel/SAM_2024_zpskh9danoy.jpg.html)
Just to be sure, from what points are you measuring-- just the blade?
I measured the overall length
Hey GM,
Is this the shade of grey that the M59 uses? It looks darker than most of my 59/66's.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kWkAAOSw7XZXhW-P/s-l500.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/li0AAOSw7XZXhW-t/s-l500.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A/s-l500.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Factory-Yugo-Yugoslavian-SKS-Blade-Bayonet-with-Hardware-/331897303024?hash=item4d469eeff0:g:oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Factory-Yugo-Yugoslavian-SKS-Blade-Bayonet-with-Hardware-/331897303024?hash=item4d469eeff0:g:oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A)
Thought I'd throw it out there in case it could help the OP. I know it has a pic of a bayo on a 59/66, but that pic looks more like a stock picture used for example of how they mount on the Yugo SKS. Certainly wasn't taken at the same time or place as the other pics.
Don't beat me if I'm wrong. nailbite1
firstchoice
Thanks, firstchoice, but I emailed the seller on that one and it is a 14" from a 59/66. I was able to pick one up from GB that is supposedly 12" total length and am waiting to receive it and the carbine to see if they match up properly. If so, I'll be able to breathe a sigh of relief as I'll only have to find a cleaning rod.
Can someone give me the correct length of an M59 cleaning rod?
Quote from: firstchoice on July 20, 2016, 05:22:53 AM
Hey GM,
Is this the shade of grey that the M59 uses? It looks darker than most of my 59/66's.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kWkAAOSw7XZXhW-P/s-l500.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/li0AAOSw7XZXhW-t/s-l500.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A/s-l500.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Factory-Yugo-Yugoslavian-SKS-Blade-Bayonet-with-Hardware-/331897303024?hash=item4d469eeff0:g:oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A (http://sks-files.com/itm/Factory-Yugo-Yugoslavian-SKS-Blade-Bayonet-with-Hardware-/331897303024?hash=item4d469eeff0:g:oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A)
Thought I'd throw it out there in case it could help the OP. I know it has a pic of a bayo on a 59/66, but that pic looks more like a stock picture used for example of how they mount on the Yugo SKS. Certainly wasn't taken at the same time or place as the other pics.
Don't beat me if I'm wrong. nailbite1
firstchoice
It kinda looks like it, but the photos are so washed out and low resolution it's difficult to tell.. The M59/66 bayonet is a dead give away, a 2 inch bloodgroove less area at the base and no barrel loop.
QuoteCan someone give me the correct length of an M59 cleaning rod?
My LB has a 15 1/2 inch rod, my regular M59 is 17inches, go figure chuckles1 This is what they came with when I got them.
Quote from: Greasemonkey on July 20, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
My LB has a 15 1/2 inch rod, my regular M59 is 17inches, go figure chuckles1 This is what they came with when I got them.
Hmm, sounds like the standard M59 is overcompensating think1 chuckles1
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on July 20, 2016, 02:08:54 PM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on July 20, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
My LB has a 15 1/2 inch rod, my regular M59 is 17inches, go figure chuckles1 This is what they came with when I got them.
Hmm, sounds like the standard M59 is overcompensating think1 chuckles1
Well, I did go check the other M59, it's a 15 1/2 incher, so I got nothing on how long the LB cleaning rod is, unless it's the 17inch. In which case I'll just swap'em :)
Anyone else with a LB Yugo, pull your rod out (cleaning rods only fellas, lets clarify ;) ) and measure it. :)
Ill have to check me non furb when I get home later. :-*
The 15 1/2 and 17 inch both fit, it's just there for looks anyway, nobody would know the difference and nobody uses them anyways, except if one were to just whip it out.. :o :)
Me thinks Carl has a length issue.
iirc... the 59/66 is the one that takes the shorter rod because the GL bs pushed it back some.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on July 20, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
Me thinks Carl has a length issue.
Naw, I got a selection of lengths, shortie ones, fat ones with girth and a real real skinny one, all the way to real, real long ones, pick the correct tool for the job thumb1
Everything I see elsewhere says M59/66 is 15 1/2 inches, all other standard SKSs are 17 inch, or 17 and a little change... only other I see drastically different is a Paratrooper at 13 inch.
Oh, this is becoming too funny...one would think at least the rods would have some form of uniformity...LOL!!
Anyway, when you guys finish measuring your stuff, please pass it along so that I can make some type of educated guess what I'm going to have to use.... rofl
Quote from: Greasemonkey on July 20, 2016, 11:39:21 AM
Quote from: firstchoice on July 20, 2016, 05:22:53 AM
Hey GM,
Is this the shade of grey that the M59 uses? It looks darker than most of my 59/66's.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/kWkAAOSw7XZXhW-P/s-l500.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/li0AAOSw7XZXhW-t/s-l500.jpg)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A/s-l500.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Factory-Yugo-Yugoslavian-SKS-Blade-Bayonet-with-Hardware-/331897303024?hash=item4d469eeff0:g:oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A (http://sks-files.com/itm/Factory-Yugo-Yugoslavian-SKS-Blade-Bayonet-with-Hardware-/331897303024?hash=item4d469eeff0:g:oJIAAOSw0kNXhW-A)
Thought I'd throw it out there in case it could help the OP. I know it has a pic of a bayo on a 59/66, but that pic looks more like a stock picture used for example of how they mount on the Yugo SKS. Certainly wasn't taken at the same time or place as the other pics.
Don't beat me if I'm wrong. nailbite1
firstchoice
It kinda looks like it, but the photos are so washed out and low resolution it's difficult to tell.. The M59/66 bayonet is a dead give away, a 2 inch bloodgroove less area at the base and no barrel loop.
Wow, I know this and it still went right over my head. It
would be kinda hard to use that bayo on a M59 with no barrel loop. I guess there is something to be said for sleep. ??? :-[ Sad thing is that I own both models and still asked that question.
firstchoice
I'm a bit late to this email thread, however Congrats on the find!
078 is not one of mine. All those went to good homes and are staying as far as I know.
Easy way to tell one of the ones I found. All were SAMCO import marked. And were complete with bayos.
Also, tiny import mark under the barrel only. no billboards :-)
Ah... could have sworn this was one of yours. I know I seen it somewhere.
Update....Alas, Nirvana, Net. The #78 SN I was informed the gun carried was actually part of the importer's log number (sigh!!) and the gun's actual SN is of the more common "C" variant... C-33613. :(
The gun is still slathered in cosmo as I just picked it up last evening, but the wood appears to be in very good shape and is a rich dark reddish-brown with a couple of minor dings here and there and some light indentations under the bolt handle from being shipped in a crate without separators. The hand-guard is of a slightly darker wood than the stock, marked with a now barely legible part number, and appears to be original. However, the stock had been replaced and has the usual 1.TRZ on the right, a partially double struck SN on the left, and the only other markings I can discern through the cosmo is a very small circled "BK" (probably in Cyrillic) on the bottom just in front of the sling swivel and an empty partial circle of the same size about 1" in front of that.
The receiver and bolt carrier have been force matched with an EP during a refurb and I have not taken it apart yet to see if the barrel has been also-- The bore is in pretty good shape; some specks of cosmo, but no evidence of pitting or rust and the rifling remains well-grooved. So, while this SKS has obviously seen some action following it's refurb, at least the barrel was well-taken care of. The bluing is original and appears about 90% on the rest of the metal parts.
The receiver cover has a higher serial number (624797) from a run that post dates the build window for 59s, so it may be representative of the transitional period between the end of the 59s and the start of the 59/66s. The mag cover looks like a replacement and has just a part number and the trigger guard appears original.
So, while this is not the collector's gem I thought it could have been, it is a true Yugo 59 LB in overall good to very good condition that can be shot without guilt while still filling a niche in my Comblock family. :)
Yes it's refurbished, as the majority are, but this is only the second C block long barrel M59 known thumb1 Pics would be great! Also, what's the barrel length by the ATF (bolt face to muzzle) method?
I don't think this is a Long Barreled Yugo. The proportions of the gas tube length vs the barrel length from gas block to front sight block look off to me (though the photo isn't abundantly clear & I've been wrong before. :-[) I think the lack of a bayo on it is making the barrel look longer than it really is in the first photo, when I proportion it with calipers against my screen it really looks like a std. M59:
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj597/montigre/M59%20Yugo%201_zps9skagkzb.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Yugo/LB%20M59/014_right_whole.jpg)
The receiver cover has nothing to do with an M59 or anything transitional. It's most certainly a replacement scrounged from a P block M59/66A1. Glad to see it's in relatively decent shape though, good bores are pretty important when it comes to M59s.
Ah..... welp. That number was already on the list so I wont be taking it down. Cant win em all I guess. :-\
Oh drats, now my bubble has really been burst... :( Going now to my corner to hide my face in shame.....:-[
Quote from: montigre on July 29, 2016, 03:15:03 PM
Oh drats, now my bubble has really been burst... :( Going now to my corner to hide my face in shame.....:-[
Apologies for being the bearer of bad news (I could still be wrong though, measure your barrel from boltface to muzzle and end all speculation).
No need to hide unless you dropped big $$ on it (and then I'd be getting my $$ back on a misrepresented firearm!)
Post up some photos so we can see what it is you got. Even with the mismatched cover, you may have scored a pretty nice one depnding on how the rest looks. thumb1
Did not drop big bucks, prolly within the acceptable range for the run of the mill 59; maybe a little less....
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj597/montigre/Yugo%20M59/59%20hand%20guard%20and%20barrel%20start%20length%201_zpscafz3i13.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj597/montigre/Yugo%20M59/59%20receiver%20and%20end%20length%201_zpsg9omtrmx.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj597/montigre/Yugo%20M59/59%20left%20side%20butt%20SN%201_zpsctcufrwg.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj597/montigre/Yugo%20M59/59%20left%20receiver%20and%20SN%20w%20import%20stamp%201_zpsaljpwo2i.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj597/montigre/Yugo%20M59/59%20right%20fore%20end%201_zpsnrd5fvj2.jpg)
I will have to be even more careful in the future...wish I could've viewed those mysterious lists.... Still going to be kicking myself on this one. Hope the Ruski SKS and Yugo Mauser turn out better....
~20 1/2" = Standard M59. I do like the stock now that I get to see it up close. Buttplate should be be std. metal, not the rubber of a 59/66 like you have.
As for seeing the mysterious lists, all riflemen and above gain access to all the data boards automatically (unless someone's trying to game the system and then they get a bat1). Give it a few months, they will magically appear one day if you're patient.
If you got that gun for ~$400, you did just fine. thumb1
The original thin metal butt plate is under the extended rubber one... Purchase price was $415.00.
I will probably hold off on any future purchases until I reach the hallowed halls of the rifleman so as not to make a similar error. Maybe by then a true 59 LB will become available....hehe. It should be a good shooter none the less, meanwhile, I will work on refining my collector savvy a bit more. 8)