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Title: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Power Surge on January 10, 2016, 05:12:16 PM
Item Link   Description   # Bids   Final Price   Commercial Chinese  Type   Commercial Chinese Condtion   Current Condition  PS Notes



525971839 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=525971839)   Sks sporter ak mags   1   $500.00    SKS NR   As-Imported   Good     Very nice Type NR. The seller was looking for a home run with the BIN, but luckily the starting bid amount was reasonable. I wish I had the money, I would have bought this one. Definitely a good deal!



527458362 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=527458362)   Rare SKS-M Takes standard AK47 Mags Like New SKS M   17   $675.00    SKS M   As-Imported   Good    Nice SKS-M. Not sure why it was bid so high, but I think it shows that these commercial models are getting very in demand. It still makes me laugh when I see people list Ms and Sporters as "rare". They were the MOST common commercial models.



527661195 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=527661195)   Norinco Chinese SKS Paratrooper 7.62X39 Rifle   14   $405.00    Paratrooper   As-Imported   Very Good   Standard paratrooper, nice shape. Stock has been changed out.



527844865 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=527844865)   Norinco SKS Sporter 7.62x39 w/AK Magazine   1   $650.00    SKS Sporter   As-Imported   Very Good    Overpriced Sporter.....but people are paying it.



527964070 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=527964070)   EX+ Norinco SKS Paratrooper Model 7.62x39mm NR!   15   $455.00    Paratrooper   As-Imported   Good    Standard paratrooper that looks like a mash up of parts. Early blade style gun, but with a spike bayo, that doesn't fit the stock.



528478708 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=528478708)   NORINCO SKS   22   $505.00    SKS M   Bubba   Good    SKS-M in a plastic stock.


528554736 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=528554736)   NORINCO SKS PARATROOPER RARE   3   $450.00    K-Sports Paratrooper Hunter    As-Imported   Excellent    I'm not quite sure what to make of this one. It is a paratrooper. But it's got a neutered bayo lug. And it's not a Hunter. It doesn't match any models of commercial guns in it's current form.



528815500 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=528815500)   Norinco SKS-M Awesome Carbine Uses AK-47 Mags Most Desirable Variant Of Original Russian Design!   1   $699.00    SKS M   As-Imported   Very Good    Very nice SKS-M, with all the original box and parts.



529038575 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=529038575)   Chinese Paratrooper SKS 7.62X39 Rifle Trident Arms   1   $400.00    Paratrooper   As-Imported   Good    Standard paratrooper, missing bayo.



529414410 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=529414410)   Norinco SKS Paratrooper Model 7.62x39mm NR!   4   $426.01    Paratrooper   Bubba   Fair   Standard paratrooper, plastic stock.



529608955 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=529608955)   SKS SPORTER NORINCO NO AK47,YUGO,RUSSIAN   1   $600.00    SKS Sporter   As-Imported   Very Good    Very nice late Sporter, new in the box with all parts. Very fair price for what you get.



529992778 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=529992778)   SKS Rifle - Norinco - China - New - Black Stock   1   $388.00    Paratrooper   Bubba   Good   Standard paratrooper in a plastic stock. Not a bad deal.



530164445 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=530164445)   Chinese Sporter SKS, Takes AK Magazines   12   $467.13    SKS Sporter   As-Imported   Very Good    Very interesting gun here, belonging to one of our fellow members. A mash up of different parts and guns, but tastefully done. Looks like someone was trying to make a NA Type 84. I kinda like it. I think the price was more than fair for this rifle too.



530826017 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=530826017)   SKS D Pre ban (transition gun)   2   $480.00    SKS D   Bubba   Good     SKS-D, missing the bayo. This is definitely a good price for a D, considering the past few Ds were over $700. However, it is missing the D-specific bayonet, and I don't think that's an easy part to find.



530835453 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=530835453)   Norinco Chinese SKS 7.62X39 NIB matching #'s LOOK   2   $695.00    SKS D   As-Imported   Excellent    Another SKS-D, missing the unique bayo. This one is new in the box though.

Side note:  I have now seen 3 or 4 new in the box SKS-Ds, and each one says "SKS30" on the label. Everyone says there is no official model designation for the D. Could the official name be the SKS30??



530838603 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=530838603)   Norinco SKS ā€œDā€ Awesome Rifle Uses AK-47 Mags New Most Desirable Variant Of Original Russian Design!   2   $1,099.00    SKS D   As-Imported   Excellent    Keeping the D theme going here! Another D, this one complete, and new in the box. Definitely a nice piece....but $1100??



531231035 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531231035)   Norinco SKS Sporter Paratrooper 7.62x39 AK mags   15   $485.00    SKS Sporter   As-Imported   Very Good    WOW. I don't even know what to say on this one. I hope the person who bought this gun knows the significance of it. This is a FIRST YEAR Sporter. This is an extremely rare SKS. The price was a STEAL. I'm a little unsure if the stock has been changed at some point...this gun should have come with the military style stock, unless maybe towards the end of 88 production some guns got fitted with 89 thumbholes.



531271540 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531271540)   Norinco SKS Para Trooper 16 1/2" barrel Used   2   $361.00    K-Sports Paratrooper Hunter    Bubba   Good    K-sports Hunter. Good price.



531435019 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531435019)   Used Norinco SKS-M 7.62x39, AK Mag Conversion   5   $476.77    SKS M   Bubba   Fair    Bubba'd up SKS-M in a plastic stock.



531474262 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531474262)   Norinco SKS Sporter Postban AK-47 Mags 7.62X39   2   $554.00    SKS NR   As-Imported   Very Good   Very nice SKS Type NR. Fair price.



531687992 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531687992)   Norinco mod 63 SKS Rifle w/Scope and laser   1   $499.00    SKS 63  Paratrooper    Bubba   Fair   I have no idea why the seller is calling this a Type 63. There's nothing even remotely related to a Type 63 about this gun. It's just a standard paratrooper that's been Bubba'd to death. Type 63s are 20" AK mag guns...  chuckles1



531696681 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531696681)   Chinese SKS 7.62x39 w/scope paratrooper NICE   4   $366.00    Paratrooper   Bubba   Good   Standard paratrooper, good price.



531770451 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531770451)   SKS M, Uses AK Magazines.   8   $505.00    SKS M   Uncertain   Fair   SKS-M, with a replaced stock. I kind of like the dark wood standard stock.



531956736 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531956736)   Rare Chinese Norinco SKS Paratrooper 7.62x39 NR   8   $400.00    Paratrooper   Bubba   Good   Standard paratrooper. Looks like an early 2 or 3 mil gun, but with a spike bayo.



532629894 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=532629894)   Norinco SKS M Rifle 7.62x39mm uses AK-47 Magazines   1   $575.00    SKS Sporter   As-Imported   Very Good    Nice late Sporter. Fair price.


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Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: XXXSKS on January 12, 2016, 07:17:26 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 10, 2016, 05:12:16 PM
Side note:  I have now seen 3 or 4 new in the box SKS-Ds, and each one says "SKS30" on the label. Everyone says there is no official model designation for the D. Could the official name be the SKS30??




Do you have pics of these 3 or 4 in your data base. Are they all from Beta Arms? You could be on to something here.


:).........Joe
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Power Surge on January 12, 2016, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: XXXSKS on January 12, 2016, 07:17:26 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 10, 2016, 05:12:16 PM
Side note:  I have now seen 3 or 4 new in the box SKS-Ds, and each one says "SKS30" on the label. Everyone says there is no official model designation for the D. Could the official name be the SKS30??




Do you have pics of these 3 or 4 in your data base. Are they all from Beta Arms? You could be on to something here.


:).........Joe

These are the only two I have right now. The one above, and the one sold last month. Both Beta Arms, both say "SKS30, 88xxxx" on the label.

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(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/pix510173295_zpsedxvszkz.jpg)

I tried google searching for more, but could not find any more posted labels. I did notice another thing though. For Ds with original boxes, the boxes from Beta Arms say this on the front of the box:

SKS  7.62x39MM RIFLE NO 88xxxx

MADE IN CHINA

Some Ds from other importers say:

NORINCO SKS  7.62x39MM RIFLE NO 88xxxx

MADE IN CHINA


Just something else to maybe pay attention to.

Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 12, 2016, 09:58:37 PM
Well SKS30 would certainly be a descriptive model number with the 30 round mags. It could just be Beta Arms internal model designation.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on January 12, 2016, 10:57:28 PM
Could just be an inventory item description to separate it from other models and not necessarily be a model #.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Power Surge on January 12, 2016, 10:59:27 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 12, 2016, 10:57:28 PM
Could just be an inventory item description to separate it from other models and not necessarily be a model #.

I would think the inventory item description would be the description of the item at the top of the label  :P
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: XXXSKS on January 12, 2016, 11:38:08 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 10, 2016, 05:12:16 PM

531231035 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=531231035)   Norinco SKS Sporter Paratrooper 7.62x39 AK mags   15   $485.00    SKS Sporter   As-Imported   Very Good    WOW. I don't even know what to say on this one. I hope the person who bought this gun knows the significance of it. This is a FIRST YEAR Sporter. This is an extremely rare SKS. The price was a STEAL. I'm a little unsure if the stock has been changed at some point...this gun should have come with the military style stock, unless maybe towards the end of 88 production some guns got fitted with 89 thumbholes.

Where do I begin with this one. Crying like a baby  cry1 I missed it. I don't think the stock was changed. I believe you are looking at the LOWEST serial number seen on a thumbhole Sporter. This rifle gets us closer to the actual serial number break between the military style stock and the thumbhole. The highest military stock serial number is 88 01065. That is a spread of 106 rifles.

It is amazing what you can learn with continued research  wink1

dance2.....................Joe
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on January 12, 2016, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 12, 2016, 10:59:27 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 12, 2016, 10:57:28 PM
Could just be an inventory item description to separate it from other models and not necessarily be a model #.

I would think the inventory item description would be the description of the item at the top of the label  :P

Ok...  Inventory Item number.   
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: running-man on January 13, 2016, 12:02:26 AM
Very nice Joe!  thumb1

There is no other site on the web that delves into the details of the various commercial Chinese SKSs like SKS-Files does.  Always nice to see that we've collectively narrowed things down just a bit more with each GB listing that gets posted.  The commercial Chinese reports, like the Albys, Romys, Russian, and Specials will most certainly continue through the new year.   I'm currently on the fence with Yugos and the quality of military Chinese guns really must improve for me to keep them going. We'll just have to see what 2016 brings.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on January 13, 2016, 12:35:01 AM
Just stop tracking the bubbas.   Its pointless

Keep the originals.  Wouldn't that reduce the workload but yet retain the goal?
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: running-man on January 13, 2016, 09:01:13 AM
Still gotta process through them to weed them out. It may save a bit of time and be worth it though.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Phosphorus32 on January 13, 2016, 12:48:49 PM
Quote from: running-man on January 13, 2016, 09:01:13 AM
Still gotta process through them to weed them out. It may save a bit of time and be worth it though.
Too bad GB doesn't have a Bubba sub-category to simply exclude those from your list. I guess you could develop a list of key words associated with Bubba to winnow it down quickly. I'd rather miss a couple of original Type 56s than all of them  ;)
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:08:05 PM
IMO, we definitely have to pay attention to the bubbas. You never know when you'll find a rare gun sitting in a plastic stock.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 13, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:08:05 PM
IMO, we definitely have to pay attention to the bubbas. You never know when you'll find a rare gun sitting in a plastic stock.

I would say if it is reversible, but if it's sliced and diced, or the metal is altered, whats the point? Also, what good is or whats the collector value if all you got is a lowly receiver stamp, when every other number is gone or mismatched? Is the receiver stamp alone enough in bubba form to hold it's value with no other matching numbers?

You got to specify at what point does a bubba go from a valuable collector piece to just a heap of once valuable scrap.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on January 13, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:08:05 PM
IMO, we definitely have to pay attention to the bubbas. You never know when you'll find a rare gun sitting in a plastic stock.

I would say if it is reversible, but if it's sliced and diced, or the metal is altered, whats the point? Also, what good is or whats the collector value if all you got is a lowly receiver stamp, when every other number is gone or mismatched? Is the receiver stamp alone enough in bubba form to hold it's value with no other matching numbers?

You got to specify at what point does a bubba go from a valuable collector piece to just a heap of once valuable scrap.

Most of the bubbas we see are just changed parts. Not a huge deal IMO. Especially if someone finds Soviet-sino #10 sitting in a tapco stock.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: running-man on January 13, 2016, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:33:30 PM
Most of the bubbas we see are just changed parts. Not a huge deal IMO. Especially if someone finds Soviet-sino #10 sitting in a tapco stock.

This is exactly my dilemma!  Lots of bubba crap flows through GB, 99.99% of it is worthless for anything we need, but every once in a while we find one that is just a bizzare S/N, has a neat feature set, previously unknown arsenal stamp, or might even be one of the Soviet Sinos.  Is the effort to sift the 99.99% of them worth finding that one needle in a haystack?  I guess we'll find out in January.  :)
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: running-man on January 13, 2016, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:33:30 PM
Most of the bubbas we see are just changed parts. Not a huge deal IMO. Especially if someone finds Soviet-sino #10 sitting in a tapco stock.

This is exactly my dilemma!  Lots of bubba crap flows through GB, 99.99% of it is worthless for anything we need, but every once in a while we find one that is just a bizzare S/N, has a neat feature set, previously unknown arsenal stamp, or might even be one of the Soviet Sinos.  Is the effort to sift the 99.99% of them worth finding that one needle in a haystack?  I guess we'll find out in January.  :)

Would it be less work to just omit the non-special bubbas from the list? In other words...you look over the listing like normal, and if it's not something special, you just skip adding it to the list. If it IS something special, then it gets mentioned in the list for what makes it special. That should free up a bunch of time not having to enter the data, no?
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 13, 2016, 01:58:08 PM
But... :o does bubblicious mismatched Soviet-Sino #10 carry as much "value" as say, unaltered original Soviet-Sino #5 or #7. Especially, when all your getting is the receiver stamp, lets say worse case scenario, the box mag, gas tube both are gone, has an Albanian carrier, Tapco stock like you mentioned, a replacement top scope cover and say a mismatched upgraded trigger group. And maybe a shortened barrel, say they cut it to 18 inches :) 

Where is the collectablity.. now, this is where it get subjective, an SKS like above in my eyes is a heap of scrap, to the next guy, maybe it's a chest thumping bragging right.  Even if restored to it's former self, it wouldn't carry the collectability as an original, cause it's not original. Even to me, an NVA marked rifle in the above shape, I more than likely would bypass, simply cause to me, the overall value has gone, poof.. fart1


But, this is my opinion, there are many opinions, this one is mine.  chuckles1
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: CARBINE on January 13, 2016, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on January 13, 2016, 01:58:08 PM
But... :o does bubblicious mismatched Soviet-Sino #10 carry as much "value" as say, unaltered original Soviet-Sino #5 or #7. Especially, when all your getting is the receiver stamp, lets say worse case scenario, the box mag, gas tube both are gone, has an Albanian carrier, Tapco stock like you mentioned, a replacement top scope cover and say a mismatched upgraded trigger group. And maybe a shortened barrel, say they cut it to 18 inches :) 


It might not carry as much "Value" money wise but when you are trying to track down info and possible numbers produced they become a lot more valuable!!

Even if I found one bubba'd I still would try and snatch it, there is only 9 know to exist its still cool in my eyes.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on January 13, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:08:05 PM
IMO, we definitely have to pay attention to the bubbas. You never know when you'll find a rare gun sitting in a plastic stock.

You are still doing the commercials right?  The only info lost by dumping the bubba chineses is the high/low serial data on non commercials. Im sure if a rare non commercial gun is seen while weeding out bubbas, attention can be brought to it.  The main part of this is to observe the current sale price on original configuration guns.  Whats the point of tracking a tapco with or without a donkey dong and the price difference between them?  Its redundant.

Lose all chinese, or just the bubbas....  You know where I stand.     thumb1
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 02:47:59 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 13, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 01:08:05 PM
IMO, we definitely have to pay attention to the bubbas. You never know when you'll find a rare gun sitting in a plastic stock.

You are still doing the commercials right?  The only info lost by dumping the bubba chineses is the high/low serial data on non commercials. Im sure if a rare non commercial gun is seen while weeding out bubbas, attention can be brought to it.  The main part of this is to observe the current sale price on original configuration guns.  Whats the point of tracking a toco with or without a donkey dong and the price difference between them?  Its redundant.

Lose all chinese, or just the bubbas....  You know where I stand.     thumb1

That's the same point I was making....    keep the bubbas off the military chinese GB listing, unless RM notices that it was a special or rare military model.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Justin Hell on January 13, 2016, 07:30:37 PM
Even a barreled receiver should be considered for data acquisition. Most data can be assumed beyond that, unless it is scrubbed and reserialed. I think all should be considered at least for research purposes alone. 

There is also the entertainment value of comments on the bubba's, just as much as the discoveries of diamonds in the rough as issued Chinese.

Sifting through what is deemed unworthy kind of sounds like another place...just sayin'.

I will help if it is needed. It seems to me that the more validation behind new theories that are unable to be processed by minds elsewhere it would be in the best interest for the theories to have as much data behind it as possible.  Tedious as it may be.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Justin Hell on January 13, 2016, 07:35:43 PM
For example...I recently saw regurgitated DB and DP data acquired by a certain blue shark, from work done here and the survey sites...on a post at a site that shall remain nameless.

Times they are a changin'
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on January 13, 2016, 10:29:55 PM
We are not currently logging all Chinese serials found on GB... I do however browse gb and add some to the non 26 serial database on occasion.  The serials are not even in the gb reports.   

Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: running-man on January 13, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
Actually, I have been logging all the non /26\ serials I've been finding in the GB reports.  I don't save them to the Chinese reports like I do with the Russians, but I do enter them into the serial data list on a "binge" basis (like 50 to 75 numbers at a time). 

Keeping track of this is one of the more time consuming things, as a good portion of these #'s are really not terribly useful at all.  I ask myself "Who cares if there is a 164568 /636\ gun that lies between 164450 and 164780?" I'm not sure that there is a real need for fleshing out some of the more common arsenals, so I might just start letting those ones slip by w/o tracking them... 
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: running-man on January 13, 2016, 11:00:39 PM
Quote from: Justin Hell on January 13, 2016, 07:35:43 PM
For example...I recently saw regurgitated DB and DP data acquired by a certain blue shark, from work done here and the survey sites...on a post at a site that shall remain nameless.

Times they are a changin'

I'll believe that when I see it!  rofl  I believe the adage is "You can't teach an old dog new tricks."  They are all M's or D's and if you weren't a dealer in the 90's when these things were being imported and weren't in-the-know, you get no opinion!  hunter)

Quote from: Justin Hell on January 13, 2016, 07:30:37 PM
Even a barreled receiver should be considered for data acquisition. Most data can be assumed beyond that, unless it is scrubbed and reserialed. I think all should be considered at least for research purposes alone. 

There is also the entertainment value of comments on the bubba's, just as much as the discoveries of diamonds in the rough as issued Chinese.

Sifting through what is deemed unworthy kind of sounds like another place...just sayin'.

I will help if it is needed. It seems to me that the more validation behind new theories that are unable to be processed by minds elsewhere it would be in the best interest for the theories to have as much data behind it as possible.  Tedious as it may be.

All good points Justin.  If you're up for it, we could try having you help out with the Chinese (Military) listings.  Those are the most numerous and to be honest, the data returns on those aren't great with only a handful of the ~100 guns per month actually filling an empty data slot somewhere. 

The 'RM notes' portion of the lists is actually a pretty time consuming portion of the whole process.  Unfortunately it's a catch-22, humor and commentary makes an otherwise ridiculously boring post about numbers sold and perceived condition more readable to the membership, so I'm reluctant to remove the notes section wholesale.  There is also the problem with the longevity of these posts.  After 3 months when GB pulls down the auctions, these posts are semi-worthless...
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: firstchoice on January 13, 2016, 11:23:05 PM
528815500   Norinco SKS-M Awesome Carbine Uses AK-47 Mags Most Desirable Variant Of Original Russian Design!   1   $699.00    SKS M   As-Imported   Very Good    Very nice SKS-M, with all the original box and parts.

  Fairly nice M that the Seller sold at a fairly nice price! My eyes aren't as good as they once were. Who is the importer on this M? (pic #18) I believe it says C3A VA BCH, VA. And, it looks like the B is stamped over the C on the BCH? Is there any sort of master list of SKS Importers here on SKS-Files?

firstchoice 
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 13, 2016, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: running-man on January 13, 2016, 11:00:39 PM


The 'RM notes' portion of the lists is actually a pretty time consuming portion of the whole process.  Unfortunately it's a catch-22, humor and commentary makes an otherwise ridiculously boring post about numbers sold and perceived condition more readable to the membership, so I'm reluctant to remove the notes section wholesale.  There is also the problem with the longevity of these posts.  After 3 months when GB pulls down the auctions, these posts are semi-worthless...

You could always substitute RM's notes for.......Jimmys notes, :o that guy always has some wonderful colorful tidbit to add  :) chuckles1
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Power Surge on January 13, 2016, 11:43:38 PM
Quote from: firstchoice on January 13, 2016, 11:23:05 PM
528815500   Norinco SKS-M Awesome Carbine Uses AK-47 Mags Most Desirable Variant Of Original Russian Design!   1   $699.00    SKS M   As-Imported   Very Good    Very nice SKS-M, with all the original box and parts.

  Fairly nice M that the Seller sold at a fairly nice price! My eyes aren't as good as they once were. Who is the importer on this M? (pic #18) I believe it says C3A VA BCH, VA. And, it looks like the B is stamped over the C on the BCH? Is there any sort of master list of SKS Importers here on SKS-Files?

firstchoice

For the commercials, xxxsks joe has the importers listed on the individual model pages:

http://chinesesks.weebly.com/m.html
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: running-man on January 14, 2016, 12:23:10 AM
I've seen three distinct C&A marks on Chinese type 54s with the last two appearing only on commercial imports:

SKS 7.62X39mm MADE IN CHINA
BY NORINCO C&.A, VA. BCH VA
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/chinese/import_stamps/CampA_VA_BCH_VA.jpg~original)

MOD SKSS 7.62X39MM C&A, VA BH VA
MADE IN CHINA BY NORINCO
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/chinese/import_stamps/CampA_VA_BH_VA_SKSS.jpg~original)

SKS M 7.62X39MM C&A, VA BH VA
MADE IN CHINA BY NORINCO
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/chinese/import_stamps/CampA_VA_BH_VA_SKS_M.jpg~original)


There is no master list, but it's one of the things that will come about one of these days FC!  thumb1
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: running-man on January 14, 2016, 12:25:42 AM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on January 13, 2016, 11:27:22 PM
You could always substitute RM's notes for.......Jimmys notes, :o that guy always has some wonderful colorful tidbit to add  :) chuckles1

Heck, we'd have to make this place rated R and still have people sign disclaimers that they understand what they'd truly be getting into!  chuckles1
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 14, 2016, 12:57:11 AM
Oh, thats just his.... panache  :o  besides.. he tries..... with great difficulty to keep it PG-13  fart1 chuckles1 rofl2
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: firstchoice on January 14, 2016, 01:02:29 AM
Ah, thanks guys! My M is a BTC import with the /416\ arsenal code stamp. Hadn't seen, or noticed, anyway, the C&A import until now. I Google'd the heck outa C&A, but they must be defunct and forgotten. Maybe it was the Chinese & Albanian Import Co?  ;)

firstchoice 
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: Greasemonkey on January 14, 2016, 01:24:02 AM
C&A might have changed to Dominion Import Group, Virginia Beach VA. Some Aks and SKSs also have D.I.G. Va BCH Va import stamps.


Kinda like the whole Blue Sky changing to Arlington Ordnance, if I'm thinking it was due to Blue Sky bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: armedhippie on January 14, 2016, 02:24:50 AM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on January 14, 2016, 01:24:02 AM
C&A might have changed to Dominion Import Group, Virginia Beach VA. Some Aks and SKSs also have D.I.G. Va BCH Va import stamps.


My ROMAK 1 has the D.I.G. Va BCH Va import stamp and it was only imported in 1997. Like you said, I've seen it on a few other AKMs as well, from around the same time frame and later.
Title: Re: Commercial GB Listings for December 2015
Post by: armedhippie on January 14, 2016, 02:45:45 AM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 10, 2016, 05:12:16 PM


527661195 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=527661195)   Norinco Chinese SKS Paratrooper 7.62X39 Rifle   14   $405.00    Paratrooper   As-Imported   Very Good   Standard paratrooper, nice shape. Stock has been changed out.


I've noticed that most of the KSI paratroopers have the same un-numbered, same color stocks, alot with lil wood putty filled in spots. My [0141] paratrooper's stock is a match to this 1's. I'd say they were changed prior  to export since the bayo groove had to be widened/deepened when they shortened the barrell. Easier to just have a bunch of new/NOS stocks done all at once and ready rather than a 1 at a time deal. Maybe even they got picked for shortening because their stocks needed to be refurbed anyway.

Another good job PS.  thumb1 You to RM. I enjoy these posts every month.