Anyone ever seen one of these?
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/russian/receiver_cover_stamps/1951f.jpg~original)
I ran across it on a Canadian board. I'm assuming that the Tula arrow was supposed to be hand stamped within the star in a separate process, but was forgotten.
I have the following '51 examples,
but oddly enough no hand stamped arrows (I lie, #3 looks pretty hand stamped to me!)
- (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/russian/receiver_cover_stamps/1951a.jpg~original)
- (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/russian/receiver_cover_stamps/1951b.jpg~original)
- (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/russian/receiver_cover_stamps/1951c.jpg~original)
- (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/russian/receiver_cover_stamps/1951d.jpg~original)
- (http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/russian/receiver_cover_stamps/1951e.jpg~original)
I know they used hand stamped arrows as late as '52 though, so it may be I just haven't run across one yet:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/russian/receiver_cover_stamps/1952a.jpg~original)
It's interesting, you can see the star outline on the first photo matches with #2, 3, and the last photo with that cutoff lower left corner of the star. I hadn't expected to be able to see patterns like that. I'm encouraged! thumb1
Now I'm going to have to dig out my '51 to look at it.
Sorry man. I'm constantly finding new info here and there. Drives me crazy sometimes as every time I think I *know* something, some new data point comes along to make me question it + something else! silly1
It will be interesting to see if the particular arsenal stamp on the covers is something that might help us narrow down the dates on some of the pristine as-issued examples out there. I knew we could narrow down certain guns (such as say the transitional '50s or the 1956 letter Д KP prefixed guns) through the use of the receiver cover progression, but I wonder if this also holds for all the other years as well? It'll be interesting to see if we can say an "AB" and a "YZ" prefix from 19XX are 'related' (built close together in time) by correlating the arsenal stamp on the receiver covers. I guess it would depend on how the receiver covers were actually fabricated and used...I wonder if they ran a batch, used them, and then ran another batch when supplies dwindled (like a modern JIT supplier) or if they were constantly fabricating them, chucking them into a massive bin, and pulling them out on a continual basis (more like an assembly line). I think we have a good chance of figuring that out one way or another if we look close enough at the evidence. thumb1
I'm very close to getting a Russian SKS survey up and with that I'll also get stuff like all these receiver cover variations up on the forthcoming Russian SKS Guide.
Some very good observations RM... Its interesting to see these side/side noting the differences.
I would say mine is closest to pic 2
(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z475/phosphorus32/51%20Tula%20SKS/ReceiverCoverDetail.jpg) (http://s1191.photobucket.com/user/phosphorus32/media/51%20Tula%20SKS/ReceiverCoverDetail.jpg.html)
My '51 Tula is different than all of the above! Crazy how many different arrows on these!
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/SKS45/IMG_1067_zps2997a062.jpg)
I've got 48 different examples among all the years on Russians, and as jjjx shows, I most certainly don't have them all!!
That's a pretty '51 Jon, you holding out on us!? bat1
:)) no, it was my first Russian. I haven't posted it here before.
I think there's an unlimited amount of varieties of oddities when it comes to sks's.
Nothing surprises me. lol
Mine looks like the nuclear nightmare - broken arrow.
(http://i.imgur.com/oWfvLwal.jpg)
Quote from: martin08 on October 29, 2015, 09:47:02 AM
Mine looks like the nuclear nightmare - broken arrow.
(http://i.imgur.com/oWfvLwal.jpg)
Weird!
Would be cool to start to notice patterns in these russians, RM your on the right track!!
Pretty neat one Matt! thumb1
jjjxlr8's '51 has the most professional looking (freshest?) stamping with nice pointed star tips.
Surprising level of variability that can't be attributed solely to stamp wear. Definitely different patterns.
Wouldn't a rounded stamp be more likely to fail over shorter periods of time? Seems to me as if they would go through tons of stamps.
Ivan machines one in the middle of the night to replace the one Serge made without his glasses, to replace the one Ivan made on a sober day the first time. rofl
I would speculate that maybe the Russians may have passed on intel to the Chinese that the stamping of the top of the RC was a major PITA and that is why you don't see it on anybody elses....oh, wait except North Korea....did I just open a can of worms? :o
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on October 28, 2015, 09:46:12 PM
:)) no, it was my first Russian. I haven't posted it here before.
You go sit in the truck with the windows rolled up ;)
Quote from: Justin Hell on October 30, 2015, 12:50:39 AM
Wouldn't a rounded stamp be more likely to fail over shorter periods of time? Seems to me as if they would go through tons of stamps.
Ivan machines one in the middle of the night to replace the one Serge made without his glasses, to replace the one Ivan made on a sober day the first time. rofl
I would speculate that maybe the Russians may have passed on intel to the Chinese that the stamping of the top of the RC was a major PITA and that is why you don't see it on anybody elses....oh, wait except North Korea....did I just open a can of worms? :o
Ivan must have worked many factories through out his career. See what you started :o
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/83c7fcccfe6cde109895.jpg) (http://www.use.com/83c7fcccfe6cde109895)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/83c7fcccfe6cde109895)
It was Igor Dyatlov.... Word famous ski hiking guide/leader.
(https://40.media.tumblr.com/15953c438684b8d3d57bd77d3e7f3008/tumblr_nu1d9grtXr1ti6ubto1_400.jpg)
??? :o
something interesting found on a russian language forum
http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/85/631165.html
Quote from: pcke2000 on November 15, 2015, 02:14:10 AM
something interesting found on a russian language forum
http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/85/631165.html
I guess the arrow inside the Tula star has a long history of variations and missing pieces.
Not to change directions here, but didnt you guys see this in that link?
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/3291229.jpg)
Yes, that's another reason why I posted the link
We need a translation on these columns because there is much debate as to what the (y) and (k) actually mean. The (k) is even found on romanian sks barrel lugs in the exact same fashion as the Russians.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 15, 2015, 10:52:32 AM
We need a translation on these columns because there is much debate as to what the (y) and (k) actually mean. The (k) is even found on romanian sks barrel lugs in the exact same fashion as the Russians.
Then it would seem they are not specific to any country, manufacturer (or arsenal)...just an inspectors stamp?!
I.... Dunno.....
There is a few of us that believe nations like romania could have relied on Russia for bsrreled receivers. :)
But what stamp are you referring to?
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 15, 2015, 09:01:03 AM
Not to change directions here, but didnt you guys see this in that link?
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/3291229.jpg)
Table is for Russian double-barreled shotguns....stigma and inscriptions on hunting weapons. Here's a link regarding that table and more.
http://sportguns.ru/19/book-hunt-sport-1/stamp-shotguns.html
Good link... Importantly showing the use of two common russian barrel proofs. Still need to translate column 8 and 9 as a fact reference to these..
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/Screenshot_2015-11-15-12-07-20.png)
Because all three of them are found on early chinese and the (k) is on all Romanians.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 15, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
Good link... Importantly showing the use of two common russian barrel proofs. Still need to translate column 8 and 9 as a fact reference to these..
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/Screenshot_2015-11-15-12-07-20.png)
A good Russian translator would certainly be extremely useful. From the shotgun link...Columns 8, 9 and 10 of the hallmarks that are put on guns, have been tested for strength, power bagged charge nitroporoha or black, as well as accuracy and precision.
Related to the Circle K and Y stamps from the link: Guns Model "Б" first and second editions of both plants are tested for durability by two shots - power charge from each barrel. For the production of test rifles of all calibres used smokeless gunpowder hunting, providing maximum pressure 900-1000 bar.
An online translator cant read a pic....
I have always wanted a Russian sources for the circle k, o, y, and n.... This appears to have two of the four.
Like on X54r.net the descriptions are vague at best. For instance, the (0) and the (k) have nearly the same definition. bat1
I want to find out exactly what these 4 are and their differences.
Forgot about this one... http://piterhunt.ru/kleyma/russia.html
Russian step-sister says
COLUMN 8 translates to " Checked for Quality"
Column 9 translates to "checked for accuracy"
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 15, 2015, 09:01:03 AM
Not to change directions here, but didnt you guys see this in that link?
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/3291229.jpg)
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 15, 2015, 05:08:47 PM
Forgot about this one... http://piterhunt.ru/kleyma/russia.html
Good reference...thanks!
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 15, 2015, 05:41:45 PM
Russian step-sister says
COLUMN 8 translates to " Checked for Quality"
Column 9 translates to "checked for accuracy"
Appears the various plants applied different standards independent of each other regarding these checks, and the markings for the various checks and inspections vary from plant to plant, which we pretty much already knew. I think that is also the case with more modern Russian weapons. So depending on the plant, the absence of a marking may be completely normal. I wouldn't doubt if a similar table exists in some Russian book for the SKS and other post-war weapons but having such a document would probably be asking far too much.
Knowing they are definitely Russian, I can see why they are on early chinese becuae there is plenty of indications they were using russian barreled receivers, but the real question here is... What is the (k) doing on the Romanian?
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 15, 2015, 03:06:41 PM
Because all three of them are found on early chinese and the (k) is on all Romanians.
My /26\ 3 mil gun (3025478) has the circle K and the circle O stamped on each side of the barrel lug.
(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/smithdblueDannyboy53/26%20gun%20%203%20million%20series/Circle%20K%20Chinese%20gun_zpsfrvux4tu.jpg)
(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh618/smithdblueDannyboy53/26%20gun%20%203%20million%20series/Circle%20O%20Chinese%20gun_zpsdljyrdle.jpg)
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 15, 2015, 09:31:07 PM
Knowing they are definitely Russian, I can see why they are on early chinese becuae there is plenty of indications they were using russian barreled receivers, but the real question here is... What is the (k) doing on the Romanian?
Is it the same exact K marking on the Romy as the Russian? I know in the AK world folks thought for the longest that the circle Y barrels the Romanians used were Russian based on the marking but the marking is actually not the same. Not the greatest pic but it's the only one I had readily available...typically the Romy marking is a full circle...this one is pretty worn (Russian left, Romy right). I guess the bigger question would be how could a Romy barrel get a Russian factory test firing proof stamp on it. I'm certainly no expert when it comes to Romanian SKSs or their markings but just asking to get a little more informed.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Circle%20Y%20Barrel%20Markings/Circle%20Y%20Barrel%20Comparison_zps4lp5eamk.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Circle%20Y%20Barrel%20Markings/Circle%20Y%20Barrel%20Comparison_zps4lp5eamk.jpg.html)
Im not at home to take any pics... Perhaps another member can help out with the Romy (k)... Pretty sure its exactly the same.
My explanation.. Early Chinese 1956-60, Romanian 1957-60. Russia supplied them. All three receivers are identical as well.
Just to be clear, so please bare with me. The proof indicates the weapon was test fired in a "Russian factory" and then the stamp or stamps were applied? If that's the case we are not talking about just shipping receivers and barrels but actually test firing the weapon in a "Russian factory". I guess the counter could possibly be they had Russian personnel in country during the initial start-up and Russian stamps were applied early on. Sorry if I'm asking questions that have been asked and answered already.
Pretty much. But the (k) is on all years of Romanian so it doesn't seem like a 'startup' scenario. I also remember the (k) being on later Chinese circa 12m. :o
Thanks...doesn't make sense to me but a lot of this is like a giant puzzle anyway. Without knowing much about that particular marking, I would really question whether it is in fact a Russian marking but it sounds like you guys have already been down that road. And if it is a Russian marking, is the K markings even related to test firing during this period. I know the circle Y is for sure but can't speak to the K marking. We do know a lot of the early Russian markings are not applicable to later weapons.
The circle y, o, and k are all on the barrel lugs... I dont imagine the definition of said stamps changing, and their location is consistent with their apparent meaning.
I also dont see why a barrel or barreled receiver cannot be tested without being apart of a complete assembly... Just food for though.
The T53 components may have been assembled in China, but there is evidence they were using Russian made barrels/receivers/bolts etc.
That part I've dug into fairly deep and I'm in complete agreement but never really took a deep dive on the o and k markings...only the circle y marking.
Early chinese....
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x311/archywood/20140315_163622_zps23ef79ef.jpg)
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o700/brentb636/SKS%20Ghost%20131864/DSCN2065_zps8f8e02de.jpg)
(http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a424/homebase4/SKS/CIMG0157_zps919d0c37.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/Icebox64/Chinese%20Ghost%20SKS/100_2047.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/Icebox64/Chinese%20Ghost%20SKS/100_2049.jpg)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/soviet%20sino/SAM_0949_zps6f1ac6c3.jpg)
Here is GMs old pic of several Romanians..... Note, the (k) is also stamped on the receivers.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/soviet%20sino/SAM_0947_zpsf3258dcd.jpg)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/soviet%20sino/SAM_0941_zpsf7d128d7.jpg)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/soviet%20sino/SAM_0945_zps6119a0a1.jpg)
Quote from: Direct Connection on October 31, 2015, 03:40:36 PM
Ivan must have worked many factories through out his career. See what you started :o
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/83c7fcccfe6cde109895.jpg) (http://www.use.com/83c7fcccfe6cde109895)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/83c7fcccfe6cde109895)
Excuse my ignorance but what is unusual about this stigma? Looks to me like a 622 brand that was used during this period.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 16, 2015, 12:25:28 AM
Here is GMs old pic of several Romanians..... Note, the (k) is also stamped on the receivers.
Would you happen to have a Russian SKS Circle K marking for comparison with the Romy? I did a quick side by side comparison from the 7.62x54r site (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm) and the Romanian you posted. They are different but possibly the marking changed since the Nagant or it's a different marking?
Also, took a look at the Chinese Circle K example and that appears different than the Romanian but neither looks exactly like the Nagant example. The Chinese right upper line is straight, while the lower is rounded, whereas the Romy lines are all straight. The Nagant example exhibits curved upper and lower lines that meet exactly in the middle with perfect symmetry.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Circle%20K_zpseksifdcj.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Circle%20K_zpseksifdcj.jpg.html)
And the mosin dont match the documents perfectly. I wouldn't expect them to spanning this time gap etc, and it wouldnt change the meaning of the stamp. A circle K is a circle K my friend.
Those is some pretty Rommys drool2
1950 Russian SKS
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/SAM_1935_zpsblhuxyl3.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/SAM_1935_zpsblhuxyl3.jpg.html)
1941 Tula SVT40
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/SVT%2040/HPIM0153_zps7bf4ca0e.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/SVT%2040/HPIM0153_zps7bf4ca0e.jpg.html)
Chinese Factory /296\ and /26\ Type 53 Mosin
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/SAM_1945_zpsnswcpz0n.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/SAM_1945_zpsnswcpz0n.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/SAM_1946_zpsmbxkcukz.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/SAM_1946_zpsmbxkcukz.jpg.html)
1943 Izhevsk M91/30
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/SAM_1947_zpsohods3yv.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/SAM_1947_zpsohods3yv.jpg.html)
1935 Izhevsk M91/30 XO-47
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/HPIM0032_zpseqaiyqj5.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/HPIM0032_zpseqaiyqj5.jpg.html)
Sure the (K) stamps changed, look at the difference between the 1935 and 1943, 1935 is rounded like Bunkers photo, but the 1943 is straight... so you can't point the finger at the country stamping when the change was seen internal in Russia as well..
I looked through a bunch of my AK pics and the Circle K and Circle O markings are on the receiver. Here are a few reference pics of Russian AKs and an AKM, and I've seen them on 74s as well.
Type 1:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/Type%201%20AK-47%20PLO_zpssbdwff6r.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/Type%201%20AK-47%20PLO_zpssbdwff6r.jpg.html)
Type 2s:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/Russian%20T2s_zpshkprbkrl.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/Russian%20T2s_zpshkprbkrl.jpg.html)
Type 3:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/1957%20Type%203_zpso45wwsm1.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/1957%20Type%203_zpso45wwsm1.jpg.html)
AKM:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/1966%20Izzy%20AKM_zpsocsiyiza.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/1966%20Izzy%20AKM_zpsocsiyiza.jpg.html)
I looked at all of the Chinese Type 56 Assault Rifle examples I have (100s) and couldn't find those markings but have several early examples that have Russian parts. Maybe some have that marking but I don't have any examples.
This one is an interesting example. It's an early Hungarian AK-55 with what appears to be a Circle K marking on the receiver. Looks like a smaller diameter circle but certainly a K. Is this the same marking we are talking about? Just a thought that possibly some other countries used this marking or a very similar one to represent the same thing? I understand how it could end up on the Chinese SKS but the Romanian SKS and this one (if it's a Circle K marking) is puzzling to me.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/AK-55_zpsyk14ox6c.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/AK-55_zpsyk14ox6c.jpg.html)
I dont see a (k) on that last pictured gun Bunker..
Puzzles me also.. I see 50/50 chances they were made by russia, or they just so happen to adopt it from the russians.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 19, 2015, 03:22:05 PM
I dont see a (k) on that last pictured gun Bunker..
Directly in front of the charging handle.
Too blurry etc... I see a (H) for Pete's sake. :-\
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20151119_144709.jpg)
I blew up the original and I believe you are correct...looks like an 'H' to me too. Any idea what the Russian Circle 'O' marking represents? Also, are you aware of any Russian SKSs with an 'E' marking on the barrel since we're discussing markings? Thanks!
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/Bunker9939/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/Close%20Up_zps3lnzdzl6.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/Bunker9939/media/Russian%20Arsenals/Circle%20K%20and%20O%20Stamps/Close%20Up_zps3lnzdzl6.jpg.html)
54rnet says...
QuoteConcentric "00"
Accuracy proof
Barrel shank
Im still on the fence as to the exact meaning of this stamp. 'Concentric' to me sound like the barrel or bore passed a 'concentric' test of some sort.
(http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/00concentric.JPG)
And the same (o) stamp is found on a Romanian M1969 .22lr trainer barrel
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/SAM_1948_zpsbqrmbues.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/SAM_1948_zpsbqrmbues.jpg.html)
That's right I remember that now. What I did notice regarding the Russian AK is almost all (with maybe a few exceptions) have the Circle 'Y' stamp on the barrel and Circle 'K' and 'O' on the receiver. Also, like GM mentioned, seems the markings varied from plant to plant but I do agree the marking (s) represents the same type of test.
Quote from: Greasemonkey on November 19, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
And the same (o) stamp is found on a Romanian M1969 .22lr trainer barrel
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/SAM_1948_zpsbqrmbues.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/SAM_1948_zpsbqrmbues.jpg.html)
It's these Romanian examples that are hard for me to understand and make sense in my pea brain. Unless possibly (just a thought) that they adopted these markings and they represent the same type of tests?
Quote from: Bunker on November 19, 2015, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on November 19, 2015, 04:43:36 PM
And the same (o) stamp is found on a Romanian M1969 .22lr trainer barrel
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/SAM_1948_zpsbqrmbues.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/SAM_1948_zpsbqrmbues.jpg.html)
It's these Romanian examples that are hard for me to understand and make sense in my pea brain. Unless possibly (just a thought) that they adopted these markings and they represent the same type of tests?
They are all Communist nations, they adhered to the same testing, so they maybe used the same marks, or one supplier did it all, pick your poison....my '55 Romanian M44 with both (k) and (o)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/SAM_1950_zpswbd1mn5x.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/SAM_1950_zpswbd1mn5x.jpg.html)
To me it would make the most sense if the different countries adopted and applied the markings since they are test firing markings.
Quote from: Bunker on November 19, 2015, 05:20:44 PM
To me it would make the most sense if the different countries adopted and applied the markings since they are test firing markings.
Then you would expect to find them on all other sks nations...... Which you do not.
This is true but what kind of agreements and licensing did each nation have and possibly not every nation wanted to adapt those markings or standards. I don't know...just food for thought stuff since I don't have a reasonable explanation from what I currently know.
Quote from: Bunker on November 19, 2015, 06:31:32 PM
This is true but what kind of agreements and licensing did each nation have and possibly not every nation wanted to adapt those markings or standards. I don't know...just food for thought stuff since I don't have a reasonable explanation from what I currently know.
I dont know either, but it sure is worthy of investigation and further research.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 19, 2015, 05:36:30 PM
Quote from: Bunker on November 19, 2015, 05:20:44 PM
To me it would make the most sense if the different countries adopted and applied the markings since they are test firing markings.
Then you would expect to find them on all other sks nations...... Which you do not.
These marks seem to follow the Mosin, Yugoslavia produced and used the Mauser, but made an SKS, no matching marks. Same with Albania, they used whatever went bang, but adopted the SKS, again no marks. Romania, yes they used the Mauser, but, it also produced the M44. Now Bulgaria and Hungary made a Mosin also, but no documented production of an SKS. And, while there has been reported Albanian M91/30s, again, finding one to check the barrel shank for markings, good luck thumb1
Only other SKS is EG and NK, Germany used the Mauser, never seen them on any German weapons, North Korea, I'd guess maybe they produced a Mosin, but given their constant stand off'ish political situation, they may have adapted their own marks. NVA, well, :o I smell strong Chinese involvement, so we will just cast that one out. :)
I've checked my Romy Tok, Bulgarian Mak, Yugo M57 Toks, and a few others, none of these marks are used on handguns I could find, other than maybe the Nagant, which mine doesn't have these marks.
As of right now, seems these marks follow the Russian, Romanian and Chinese rifles, regardless of caliber, be it x54r, x39 or .22lr