I'm going to say that this is an "as-issued", per RM's grading guidelines. Look through the pics, and if anyone sees anything that says otherwise, please post up. I'm not the best at taking pics, so if the pics need redoing, let me know that too.
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I received two great condition Alby Chest Pouches, two of the Alby Oilers, and two greasy/dirty Chinese-type slings with leather loops with this rifle. I didn't get any belt-type ammo pouches. I don't know if they used them there, or not? I'll take pics of the Chest Pouches, Oilers, and Slings and add them to this thread, later.
It has the TGI import stamp under the barrel, as can be seen partially in the 7th pic down. If a clear pic of the Import Stamp is needed, let me know. She's still packed full of Cosmoline. I've never popped the stock off of it. Just field stripped it to take these pics. I did push the cosmoline out of the barrel and the rifling looks great. I've had this one for quite a while and have yet to get an opinion on it. What do you guys think?
firstchoice
It's a beautiful gun FC, a really nice looker! thumb1
'As-Issued' is certainly what I'd classify the arsenal condition. With the EP'd parts, like the rear sight ladder and the extractor, I don't think you'll find a consensus about whether it may have gone through a refurb or not (nor do I think we could even begin to comment on Albanian refurb practices in the first place). Regardless, the 'as-issued' certainly encompasses what this gun is without getting lost in the contentious weeds of 'unissued', 'unrefurbished', and 'unfired'.
If this was one of the auction guns I was evaluating, it would get a bit of a current condition ding from the bolt carrier handle inflicted gouge marks in the stock near the right crossbolt and for a bit of minor shellac flaking. That grain on the right side of the buttstock is simply awesome though. The bluing on it looks quite good too with maybe a bit of loss around the edges of say the RSL or the bottom of the recever cover slide. Nitpicking at it's finest in all honesty because I'm not seeing much I don't like about it at all! chuckles1.
This gun is a current condition 'Good' by itself, and could even qualify in the 'Very Good' category with all the accessories you've got listed with it. From what I've seen it's easily a top 10% gun out of all Albys located within the US here. That black stripe on the left side of the stock is pretty unique too. You simply don't see many like this and I can see why you decided to hang onto it as well as keep it in the grease. clap1
I really like that stock, it certainly has some grain character to it for sure!
Do Albanian gas tubes have more ventilation holes? The sixth picture down seems to show three on the one side?
Thanks RM. Yeah, and at least one of those Bolt Carrier gouge marks was done by a Chinese, or possibly Russian, SKS, too! The blasphemy! :)
Three of the 1969 Alby's that I've seen have had a different grain to them, as compared to the other years of original numbered Alby's.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=502590041
Albanian SKS Porn in Albanian SKS - Page 1 of 1 (http://sks-files.com/albanian-sks/18/albanian-sks-porn/257/)
(and mine)
It's probably just a coincidence.
Justin, Yep, I like the grain too. It's one of those stocks that you wish you had got it when it was new. No way I'd ever refinish it, though. On the Gas Ports, GM had a post here:
Thoughts on the Albanian SKS in Albanian SKS - Page 1 of 2 (http://sks-files.com/albanian-sks/18/thoughts-on-the-albanian-sks/968/)
--where he stated: "It was explained to me the 6 port gas tube was a durability upgrade. Truth, no clue, but I'm sure those 6 ports can exhaust the air out of the gas tube faster when fired, it also acts as a redundant in case one or more ports gets plugged."
There's three ports on each side.
firstchoice
Interesting...perhaps it was an attempt to make it run cooler? It seems like it would gradually reduce pressure and ultimately lend to cycling problems...but perhaps there is plenty of energy.
Maybe that is why they extended the handguard, to allow for more rapid fire encounters without heat issues?
I have never held an Albanian, but am surprised by that feature, gotta love learning something new about SKSs nearly every day. :)
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Interesting...perhaps it was an attempt to make it run cooler? It seems like it would gradually reduce pressure and ultimately lend to cycling problems...but perhaps there is plenty of energy.
Ok, maybe this will make a little more sense :) thumb1
You gotta remember, the piston never passes the gas tube ports, unlike an Ak piston, an SKS gas piston only moves about 3/4 to maybe an inch during a firing impulse. The gas piston travel is limited by the op rod and spring, which is limited by the bolt carrier weight and the bolt is locked and a large spring. It's all just a very short, very quick and strong impulse to unlock the bolt and a combination of remaining chamber pressures and the short quick slap from the piston makes the whole mess work in tandem. The ports just dump the air behind the piston on firing and allow it too draw air in when the piston is resetting for the next shot. A tube vent, basically. The excess gases in front of the piston, now a lower pressure cooler gas would mostly escape back through the barrel gas port and slight amount of leakage between the tube and gas block.
Gas tube ports have little if any effect on actual firing, as long as they are not plugged and vented to the atmosphere. The actual gas port in the gas block and barrel, thats a completely different story, making that smaller or larger can alter operation of the gas system.
Yup.
I guess I got the back pressure concept backwards in my mind...seems as if your op rod and spring would take an additional beating with the reduced pressure on the back side of the piston. As far forward as those seem to be, it looked to me as if it would actually go past at least the first one. I had never noticed that feature on the Alby tubes, nor do I think I ever read about it either....they have so many weird features I guess looking at the gas tube is like taking out my contacts and looking at it underwater. chuckles1
My guitar collection fears the day an Albanian shows up in Montana. Their funkiness is so appealing.
It is like the Mercury Capri to the Ford Mustang...functions the same, just with a couple of cosmetic differences to keep the replacement parts higher priced and harder to find. :)
Yes sir, that's a very nice looking Albanian thumb1
They've got so many differences from the others that they're increasingly piquing my interest.
It's like I can feel Gollum sitting in the back of one of Hoxha's bunkers calling, "my precious" bat1
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on September 21, 2015, 09:38:51 PM
Yes sir, that's a very nice looking Albanian thumb1
They've got so many differences from the others that they're increasingly piquing my interest.
It's like I can feel Gollum sitting in the back of one of Hoxha's bunkers calling, "my precious" bat1
Yup... Your screwed. chuckles1
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on September 21, 2015, 09:38:51 PM
It's like I can feel Gollum sitting in the back of one of Hoxha's bunkers calling, "my precious" bat1
We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They taunt us with its, the sneaky little Albanianses. Wicked, tricksy, false!
Just do it!! Gotta balance out the Yugoslavian gluttonous binge you've been on, move to the other end of the alphabet... :))
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on September 21, 2015, 10:03:03 PM
Yup... Your screwed. chuckles1
rofl
I'm being patient. The pickings are slim and the pockets are empty, at the moment.
Quote from: Greasemonkey on September 21, 2015, 10:16:09 PM
Just do it!! Gotta balance out the Yugoslavian gluttonous binge you've been on, move to the other end of the alphabet... :))
SKSs from Albania to Zastava, hmm think1 Thorin speaks wisely :))
Quote from: Justin Hell on September 21, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
I guess I got the back pressure concept backwards in my mind...seems as if your op rod and spring would take an additional beating with the reduced pressure on the back side of the piston. As far forward as those seem to be, it looked to me as if it would actually go past at least the first one. I had never noticed that feature on the Alby tubes, nor do I think I ever read about it either....they have so many weird features I guess looking at the gas tube is like taking out my contacts and looking at it underwater. chuckles1
Technically, the gas tube itself is not even required in this style gas system. A Vz58 uses a spring loaded gas piston but has no gas tube per-say or op rod. Now, before one says it's totally different, the gas system and piston works identical between the Vz and SKS, the piston assembly directly unlocks the Vz58 bolt carrier. The Czechs used a highly simplified short stroke gas system, virtually identical to the SKS, and adapted it for automatic fire, instead of dumping gases back into the barrel, they simply got vented under the handguard.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1200_zpsa5a4ee2f.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1200_zpsa5a4ee2f.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1201_zps24dcbf62.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1201_zps24dcbf62.jpg.html)
Vz gas piston vs an Ak. The Vz is much like a SKS piston/spring loaded op rod all rolled into one.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1191_zps19b378f5.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1191_zps19b378f5.jpg.html)
Now the little issue with the Czech design, do a few mag dumps, the handguard gets kinda toasty, rather quick, even with a heat shield installed. Which, could be why Albania made the handguard full length and added extra ventilation to circulate a larger volume of cooler fresh air. But, again it's just a theory.
Was Albania concerned with ergonomics? soldier safety? or maybe the three ports per side, and Ak style charging handle, make it appear more Ak'ish to the soldiers? These are plausible, but maybe unlikely Or, was it as simple as make it look as close to a Type 63 as possible, Albania being a big user of this weapon. Maybe they liked the looks, from a distance I would imagine they look the same, even close up, they share some visual similarities. Handguard appearance, double hole butt stock, Type 63 looks mixed with SKS durability, as the Type 63 wasn't really noted for it's durability. The Chinese T63 And Its Role In Jianshe T56 Production in Chinese SKS (Military) - Page 1 of 2 (http://www.sks-files.com/chinese-sks-military/17/the-chinese-t63-and-its-role-in-jianshe-t56-production/713/)
Quote from: Greasemonkey on September 22, 2015, 12:53:24 PM
Quote from: Justin Hell on September 21, 2015, 08:44:16 PM
I guess I got the back pressure concept backwards in my mind...seems as if your op rod and spring would take an additional beating with the reduced pressure on the back side of the piston. As far forward as those seem to be, it looked to me as if it would actually go past at least the first one. I had never noticed that feature on the Alby tubes, nor do I think I ever read about it either....they have so many weird features I guess looking at the gas tube is like taking out my contacts and looking at it underwater. chuckles1
Technically, the gas tube itself is not even required in this style gas system. A Vz58 uses a spring loaded gas piston but has no gas tube per-say or op rod. Now, before one says it's totally different, the gas system and piston works identical between the Vz and SKS, the piston assembly directly unlocks the Vz58 bolt carrier. The Czechs used a highly simplified short stroke gas system, virtually identical to the SKS, and adapted it for automatic fire, instead of dumping gases back into the barrel, they simply got vented under the handguard.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1200_zpsa5a4ee2f.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1200_zpsa5a4ee2f.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1201_zps24dcbf62.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1201_zps24dcbf62.jpg.html)
Vz gas piston vs an Ak. The Vz is much like a SKS piston/spring loaded op rod all rolled into one.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1191_zps19b378f5.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Vz58%20Vz2008/Ak%20vs%20Vz/SAM_1191_zps19b378f5.jpg.html)
Now the little issue with the Czech design, do a few mag dumps, the handguard gets kinda toasty, rather quick, even with a heat shield installed. Which, could be why Albania made the handguard full length and added extra ventilation to circulate a larger volume of cooler fresh air. But, again it's just a theory.
Was Albania concerned with ergonomics? soldier safety? or maybe the three ports per side, and Ak style charging handle, make it appear more Ak'ish to the soldiers? These are plausible, but maybe unlikely Or, was it as simple as make it look as close to a Type 63 as possible, Albania being a big user of this weapon. Maybe they liked the looks, from a distance I would imagine they look the same, even close up, they share some visual similarities. Handguard appearance, double hole butt stock, Type 63 looks mixed with SKS durability, as the Type 63 wasn't really noted for it's durability. The Chinese T63 And Its Role In Jianshe T56 Production in Chinese SKS (Military) - Page 1 of 2 (http://www.sks-files.com/chinese-sks-military/17/the-chinese-t63-and-its-role-in-jianshe-t56-production/713/)
Like an SVT40 also.... Little gas piston and cup at the front, and then a 2ft long exposed operating rod back to the action rod. Just covered by the long hand guard.
Finally getting around to adding pics of the Alby Chest Pouches, Oilers, and the Slings that came with the 1969 Albanian SKS pictured above. The Chest pouches I "know", (pretty sure), are the correct ones. I've seen so many variations of Alby Oilers, I don't know which is actually "correct". The slings that came with it were the Chinese variety, but I like them.
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20003_zpsdljhj0yt.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20004_zpsbkgx4gtm.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20005_zpsj22ryvao.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20006_zpsesljmvgv.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20008_zps5g644hae.jpg)
I was sent two sets of everything on this deal. The two pouches are pretty close to the same color, with exception of the tie downs and the interior was a bit lighter color on one.
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20011_zpsihdrsepr.jpg)
The pics of the oilers aren't that great. The weather here has sucked and indoor pics with black plastic is not my forte. I received two of the shorter type (abt. 2 3/4") and two that were about an inch longer, (abt. 3 3/4"). I also have a couple that are a light brown/beige in color, but couldn't find them to include them in these pics. (Yah, I know, "pics, or it didn't happen." :) )
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20014_zpsbyehcfvl.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20022_zpsyfnexzwy.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20026_zpsrlqkdrqd.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20027_zpsaowpa0he.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20028_zpsrhhbbxdz.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20029_zpsahcuw68k.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20030_zpsyjbxqjqw.jpg)
This one's a little wonky, but it works.
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20032_zps2ocea2kb.jpg)
The slings are in good shape other than the wear and tear on the leather tabs. One sling is a bit wider and shaded a bit different. All in all, they have "character". thumb1
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20033_zps4ki9yiju.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20036_zpsda6z0tyu.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20039_zpspiuaotsu.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20038_zpsbdbnxqrl.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20040_zps7y5xigna.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20046_zps32bl2chg.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20044_zpsxylocni2.jpg)
Did the Albanians' issue any belt carried ammo pouches?
firstchoice
The oiler that came with one of mine was identical, but a clear orangish plastic, like the stock finish color, and the sling, well it smells horrible. Not the usual pleasant surplus smell, more like bloated swelled in the sun roadkill.
Congratulations! I've been looking at everything Albanian I can find the last week and that has to be one of the nicest I've seen thumb1 You lucked out getting the accessories. The slings and oilers are nowhere to be found.
I bought a leather pouch similar to the early chinese from a distributor (cant remember who) that was list as Albanian. I had asked them how they knew it was albanian and they told me thats where they came from. In addition, I found there were no chinese stamps on the inside like the similar Chinese. The stitching on the one I have is also larger. Its like they copied the chinese pouch like they did the chest rig.
Here it is next to the romanian.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/IMG_20140212_094041_578_zps148d7031.jpg)
Quote from: firstchoice on January 14, 2016, 02:37:00 AM
Finally getting around to adding pics of the Alby Chest Pouches, Oilers, and the Slings that came with the 1969 Albanian SKS pictured above. The Chest pouches I "know", (pretty sure), are the correct ones. I've seen so many variations of Alby Oilers, I don't know which is actually "correct". The slings that came with it were the Chinese variety, but I like them.
firstchoice
Nice cache of accessories you got there FC! thumb1
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 16, 2016, 01:14:46 PM
Here it is next to the romanian.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/IMG_20140212_094041_578_zps148d7031.jpg)
Cool 8) Looks very sturdy.
Accessories and oilers and slings, oh my. :)) I've got some holes to fill in the collecting department.
I don't have an Albanian helmet either...dang!
Quote from: Greasemonkey on January 14, 2016, 02:46:20 AM
The oiler that came with one of mine was identical, but a clear orangish plastic, like the stock finish color, and the sling, well it smells horrible. Not the usual pleasant surplus smell, more like bloated swelled in the sun roadkill.
GM, post a pic of the clear orangish oiler if/when you get the chance sometime. I'll try to locate those beige colored oilers, (they're the shorter type), and post pics of those as well. These slings came in with the usual surplus smell. Guess I got lucky.
Quote from: MEBears on January 14, 2016, 06:43:02 AM
Congratulations! I've been looking at everything Albanian I can find the last week and that has to be one of the nicest I've seen thumb1 You lucked out getting the accessories. The slings and oilers are nowhere to be found.
Thanks MEBears! I like it. I had a '71 mix-master that came with the original stock with "trench art' and the wood was r-o-u-g-h! The metal was actually in pretty good condition, but it had a Chinese FCG, and the Bolt and Bolt Carrier were matching, but mismatched to the Receiver SN. Now that I see how few and far between these things are, I kick myself for parting with it, mismatched, or not. Couple of pics of that old '71 stock:
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1971%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Yugoslav%20M-59%20SKS%20amp%20Albanian%20SKS%20Stock%20110_zpshwsvxztp.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1971%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Yugoslav%20M-59%20SKS%20amp%20Albanian%20SKS%20Stock%20113_zpsr8h8fjpd.jpg)
Poor ole thing was dang near split from one end to the other.
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1971%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Yugoslav%20M-59%20SKS%20amp%20Albanian%20SKS%20Stock%20117_zpslku66pta.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1971%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Yugoslav%20M-59%20SKS%20amp%20Albanian%20SKS%20Stock%20118_zps2vlad2xe.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1971%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Stock%20002_zpse9k7yr12.jpg)
I hope these knife scars weren't "tally marks". :o
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1971%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Stock%20003_zpsqww2zqjw.jpg)
I think the SN is already in the database, but here's a pic of that receiver to confirm it.
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1971%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/2014-07-22%20Albanian%20SKS%201971%20Manufacture--with%20extra%20stock%20sets%20016_zpsmmo8kynp.jpg)
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 16, 2016, 01:14:46 PM
Here it is next to the Romanian.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/IMG_20140212_094041_578_zps148d7031.jpg)
Yeah, I can see the link to the exaggerated stitching compared to the sewn slings and the chest pouches. If you run across another link to those, LC, let me know.
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on January 16, 2016, 10:11:42 PM
Quote from: firstchoice on January 14, 2016, 02:37:00 AM
Finally getting around to adding pics of the Alby Chest Pouches, Oilers, and the Slings that came with the 1969 Albanian SKS pictured above. The Chest pouches I "know", (pretty sure), are the correct ones. I've seen so many variations of Alby Oilers, I don't know which is actually "correct". The slings that came with it were the Chinese variety, but I like them.
firstchoice
Nice cache of accessories you got there FC! thumb1
Accessories and oilers and slings, oh my. :)) I've got some holes to fill in the collecting department.
I don't have an Albanian helmet either...dang!
Thanks
Phos! I've got a bit of OCD or something. Not only do the SKS multiply around me, so do the accessories around 'em. :))
firstchoice
Very interesting FC! Though it is in the database, I hadn't seen that one before. She certainly had quite a bit of character. That stock split from front to back is wild, looks like the only thing holding it together are the crossbolt and reinforcing pins! thumb1
It's not everyday that a fine classic Albanian in this vintage can be found in such condition. You did very good and Your 69 example just goes to show that wood stock was a good year for your Albanian and American music both clap1 Sorry, thats just the coffee kicking in ;) but Id be willing to guess that's easily in the top 10 of the supposedly 970 69's in the country.
Ive never measured my oiler that came with mine but I think it was more of a tan color in the same formation. Great post and thread with informative comments above.
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GM, post a pic of the clear orangish oiler if/when you get the chance sometime.
OK.. here is everything that came with my first Alby.. I even dug stinky sling out :o
Funky color oiler and cleaning kit
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/SAM_1954_zpsg4htpuyd.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/SAM_1954_zpsg4htpuyd.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/SAM_1953_zps9putefno.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/SAM_1953_zps9putefno.jpg.html)
Bandoleer
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/SAM_1955_zpsbqbmacav.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/SAM_1955_zpsbqbmacav.jpg.html)
The stinky sling
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/SAM_1956_zpsppftl5l1.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/SAM_1956_zpsppftl5l1.jpg.html)
Kind of interesting.. the sling is slightly narrower than a standard Chinese by an 1/8 inch or so, smells worse too rofl, top is one with Albanian, bottom is a Chinese random sling.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/SAM_1959_zpsfjbnhr7n.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/SAM_1959_zpsfjbnhr7n.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/SAM_1964_zpshvxnqoq8.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/SAM_1964_zpshvxnqoq8.jpg.html)
I've been in touch with a guy that says he has a few different colored oilers but didn't say how much he wanted. I haven't seen any others available so I have no idea what a fair price would be. $15-20 where they're so scarce? Sorry for going off topic.
Umm kay.. figure the odds an Enfield oiler looks alot like the Albanian, only brown. think1
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1018&idcategory=55
Quote from: MEBears on January 18, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
I've been in touch with a guy that says he has a few different colored oilers but didn't say how much he wanted. I haven't seen any others available so I have no idea what a fair price would be. $15-20 where they're so scarce? Sorry for going off topic.
If they are real Alby oilers and they are reasonably priced (*cough* RM is a cheap bastage), I'd be interested in seeing what he's got. :)
i've been looking for one off and on since 2002. I'm always a day late on a good deal though. dash2
Quote from: running-man on January 18, 2016, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: MEBears on January 18, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
I've been in touch with a guy that says he has a few different colored oilers but didn't say how much he wanted. I haven't seen any others available so I have no idea what a fair price would be. $15-20 where they're so scarce? Sorry for going off topic.
If they are real Alby oilers and they are reasonably priced (*cough* RM is a cheap bastage), I'd be interested in seeing what he's got. :)
i've been looking for one off and on since 2002. I'm always a day late on a good deal though. dash2
locomotive1 Me too, me too...I mean I'm a cheap
bastage too and I've been looking for a (sling, cleaning kit, and) oiler since
2002 2015 :))
Still trying to get a price. He said he has tan,black, white, yellow, and "swirled"? but only the tan ones have the oiler rod inside.
Not sure what color mine is.... Still in the butt with the alby cleaning kit. Pretty sure there were multiple colors as MEbears described.
Quote from: firstchoice on January 14, 2016, 02:37:00 AM
Finally getting around to adding pics of the Alby Chest Pouches, Oilers, and the Slings that came with the 1969 Albanian SKS pictured above. The Chest pouches I "know", (pretty sure), are the correct ones. I've seen so many variations of Alby Oilers, I don't know which is actually "correct". The slings that came with it were the Chinese variety, but I like them.
The pics of the oilers aren't that great. The weather here has sucked and indoor pics with black plastic is not my forte. I received two of the shorter type (abt. 2 3/4") and two that were about an inch longer, (abt. 3 3/4"). I also have a couple that are a light brown/beige in color, but couldn't find them to include them in these pics. (Yah, I know, "pics, or it didn't happen." :) )
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20014_zpsbyehcfvl.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20022_zpsyfnexzwy.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20026_zpsrlqkdrqd.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20027_zpsaowpa0he.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20028_zpsrhhbbxdz.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20029_zpsahcuw68k.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20030_zpsyjbxqjqw.jpg)
This one's a little wonky, but it works.
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS%20Rifles/1969%20Albanian%20Model%20561%20SKS/Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories/2015-07-15%20Albanian%20SKS%20Accessories%20032_zps2ocea2kb.jpg)
firstchoice
I was starting to question these oilers FC and I have both shown.. Two different retailers, same weapon listed, Enfield. Digging through several other sights dealing with Enfields, I've come to the conclusion, they are British Enfield rifle oilers, not Albanian.
This looks exactly like the black ones FC is showing
https://www.e-sarcoinc.com/oilerbritishenfieldwwiiplastic.aspx
And here, they can be found in brown
https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1018&idcategory=55
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/EnfieldCKOilers_zpsp8sn1ijg.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/EnfieldCKOilers_zpsp8sn1ijg.jpg.html)
Another random retailer, black and grey
http://whatacountry.com/enfieldoiler.aspx
Bummer I know cry1, not Albanian, but British, so lets just say thumb1
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/gunboards/myth-busted1_zpsqttuxlaw.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/gunboards/myth-busted1_zpsqttuxlaw.jpg.html)
Few pics of what came with my Albanian. The oiler cap has a stiff wire.
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_1.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=1)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=1)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_2.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=2)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=2)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_3.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=3)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=3)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_4.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=4)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=4)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_5.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=5)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=5)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_6.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=6)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=6)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_7.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=7)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=7)
The ones I just ordered are identical to what DC posted. I just got one of the stitched canvas slings off Gunboards. Probably overpaid but I didn't know when I'd see another for sale and I know a few other people are looking.
Quote from: Direct Connection on January 20, 2016, 10:30:25 PM
Few pics of what came with my Albanian. The oiler cap has a stiff wire.
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_1.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=1)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=1)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_2.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=2)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=2)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_3.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=3)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=3)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_4.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=4)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=4)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_5.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=5)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=5)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_6.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=6)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=6)
(http://media.use.com/images/s_2/8b8cb265c137499a5747_7.jpg) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=7)
(http://www.use.com/images/clicklarge3.gif) (http://www.use.com/8b8cb265c137499a5747?p=7)
Yes, this is what I was referring to as the beige/brown short-style oliers that I couldn't locate for pics. So maybe I do have at least one set of correct Alby oilers, unless the surplus gremlins ate them.
I remember the first time I was sold a set of "Alby" oliers, they came in with some "familiar" lettering on them.
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Isreali%20Oilers-Possibly%20for%20the%20FAL/Isreali%20Oiler/OilerofUnknownOrigin003.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Isreali%20Oilers-Possibly%20for%20the%20FAL/Isreali%20Oiler/OilerofUnknownOrigin004.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Isreali%20Oilers-Possibly%20for%20the%20FAL/Isreali%20Oiler/OilerofUnknownOrigin008.jpg)
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Isreali%20Oilers-Possibly%20for%20the%20FAL/Isreali%20Oiler/OilerofUnknownOrigin001.jpg)
Final consensus on those were Isreali FNFAL Olilers? Some type of Isreali oiler, anyway.
MEBears, I have a couple of the NOS Albanian Bolt Carriers that I've been holding on to in case I ran across a mismatched Alby, but that's looking less likely as the days roll by. If you're interested, let me know. By the way, what kind of price did you end up having to put out for the Alby stitched sling? I had given up on finding one of those. Nice find on that!
firstchoice
I paid $70 :o which I'm kind of questioning now that I've slept on it. I just got all the proper accessories for my other SKS so I really wanted to complete this one. I am definitely interested in a bolt carrier if you want to shoot me a message.
So which oiler is correct alby?
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 21, 2016, 08:05:50 AM
So which oiler is correct alby?
That's what I was hoping to get a consensus on here,
LC. It seems like they were shipped over with whatever they felt like including, if anything, on accessories. Most of what I saw that were the
really used condition carbines came
in with old Chinese slings, or the remnants of one. (Chinese coil wire-type and the leather loop-type, included) I have yet to see an Alby chest rig that looks like it went through the same use as the rifle. They may be out there, just haven't seen them. I don't know what condition the sling is in that
MEBear bought, but I would imagine it must be pretty good. Does anyone have any Alby slings or chest rigs that look like they have been through the same use as the rifles they own? Just my own WAG here, but I'm thinking the importers went back after, or at least separately, buying the last few accessories that were left in what little warehousing there was? Again, just my own guessing here.
If I understand correctly, Tennessee Guns, Knox, TN, imported a large part of the Albanian SKS? (both of the Alby's that I have owned came through TG) Are they still in business? If so, does anyone do enough business with them to ask about these specifics? It would be interesting to talk to the actual buyers that walked through these warehouses, outhouses, whatever, buying up this surplus.
AIM Surplus also came up with a lot of NOS Alby parts. I think they still sell some, of what's left. Did they ever actually import or sell any Alby SKS?
firstchoice
QuoteAIM Surplus also came up with a lot of NOS Alby parts. I think they still sell some, of what's left. Did they ever actually import or sell any Alby SKS?
Aim sold, I don't think they imported, I've not really known Aim to import arms, usually they just buy in bulk from major importers and resell it. I know they sold Albanians, in the '02-'04 time frame and a small lot around '11- '12 or so, thats about the time when all those NOS spare parts appeared. there may have even been another small lot in between those two. I want to say way back when they first sold them, they had an option or came with an unfinished stock, one was included with my first one, which is a TGI also.
Quote from: Greasemonkey on January 21, 2016, 06:08:12 PM
QuoteAIM Surplus also came up with a lot of NOS Alby parts. I think they still sell some, of what's left. Did they ever actually import or sell any Alby SKS?
Aim sold, I don't think they imported, I've not really known Aim to import arms, usually they just buy in bulk from major importers and resell it. I know they sold Albanians, in the '02-'04 time frame and a small lot around '11- '12 or so, thats about the time when all those NOS spare parts appeared. there may have even been another small lot in between those two. I want to say way back when they first sold them, they had an option or came with an unfinished stock, one was included with my first one, which is a TGI also.
After thinking about it, I've never seen an AIM import-marked gun of any type and I've bought quite a few through AIM. (shoulda been my first clue :-[ )
I remember the stocks and hand guards they sold for a while. I was happy with the hand guards. How did your unfinished stock fit? :-X
GM, just curious, does your import stamp say TG or TGI? Mine just has the TG KNOX, TN on it. But it seems like I've seen TGI on some pistols? I'll have to do some looking on that.
firstchoice
QuoteI remember the stocks and hand guards they sold for a while. I was happy with the hand guards. How did your unfinished stock fit? :-X
It didn't, basically it would be useless. But the stock the rifle came with wasn't much better. Notice the "shims" between the receiver and stock, thats 3 pieces of credit card to take the slop up. Oh, yea and a nice big crack or two, those parts were free thumb1.. I'm so glad they spared no expense making the "quality" weapons, I've seen some pretty ones, then I see the this side, quality control....whazat? chuckles1 If'en only it weren't so "rare" I'd dump it. fart1
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/SAM_0450_zps502368e4.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/SAM_0450_zps502368e4.jpg.html)
QuoteGM, just curious, does your import stamp say TG or TGI? Mine just has the TG KNOX, TN on it. But it seems like I've seen TGI on some pistols? I'll have to do some looking on that.
Both have TG KNOX, TN, even my PSL is even stamped TG KNOX TN. I thought my Suomi had a TGI stamp, but it was just distributed by them, TNW of Veronia, OR built it.
These are pics of Albanian oilers I was sent. Several different colors and some clear ones. He said they were all short enough to fit in the stock.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/James_Budge/IMG_3337_zpsynnadfpz.jpg)
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/James_Budge/IMG_3335_zps7boxnhqo.jpg)
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag94/James_Budge/IMG_3338_zpsdpwzrvo4.jpg)
I'll trade ya a British oiler fer one... :) or two thumb1
Explains why the tarded orange thing wont fit in the stock rofl
He wants how much?
Kewl.. Put me down for resale on 2.
:)
Wait... How much at resale? rofl
No mark up, I wouldn't make it as a salesman.
Quote from: MEBears on January 21, 2016, 10:19:28 PM
No mark up, I wouldn't make it as a salesman.
:))
Ok, keep us posted!
I'll take one also, if you are group buying. Do you have paypal?
Quote from: bbush44 on January 22, 2016, 10:10:06 AM
I'll take one also, if you are group buying. Do you have paypal?
They are all spoken for but I'm looking into getting some more.
Quote from: MEBears on January 22, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: bbush44 on January 22, 2016, 10:10:06 AM
I'll take one also, if you are group buying. Do you have paypal?
They are all spoken for but I'm looking into getting some more.
Thanks ME, keep me posted.