Well...I certainly wasn't looking for one, but you guys here have a way of influencing someone, lol.
Local guy posted one for sale on the local trader page. After talking to him, I made a deal for $850 and he's giving me the gas system adjustment tools also. I don't know crap about this gun. But he said he shoots it often and it functions perfect, so that's got to be a good sign.
He claims it's numbers matching, and supposed to be a 1941 model from the Izzy plant. Again...i don't know if that means anything. This was a pretty quick buy as quite a few people were interested. Hopefully I made a good buy. Picking it up Friday, I'll post pics when I get it.
That's about $300-800 below the going rate depending on factory and condition. Can't imagine you went wrong on that purchase. thumb1
Looking forward to pics!
Its hard to go wrong with a SVT thumb1 Congrats man, That's 1 to cross off the ole bucket list....even if it wasn't on yours rofl
Yeah you gotta be careful, We definitely have no shortage of "enablers" here rofl2
Quote from: armedhippie on August 06, 2015, 07:25:20 AM
Yeah you gotta be careful, We definitely have no shortage of "enablers" here rofl2
Enablers? whistle12 Whatchu talkin bout Willis? :)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/SVT%2040/HPIM0151_zps6687a67f.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/SVT%2040/HPIM0151_zps6687a67f.jpg.html)
850 is a pretty good price these days thumb1 and it doesn't help make it any easier to clean... chuckles1
I just picked up the svt40. The guy was telling me something about its a converted full auto version and that's why it has a plum bolt carrier and double notched stock by the trigger. This sound like something feasible?
Dude...you are killing me here. Your totally stealing my bucket list and in only a couple of months. An SVT is a coveting issue I have been dealing with for quite awhile. Hope that it is functional legally n stuff....but a FA x54....kinda stiffens things below the belt line.
Where are the pics!! :)
Sounds like a Russian refurb purple bolt SVT-40 in an AVT-40 stock. Which is a completely normal find, Russia simply used left over AVT parts inventory, due to the phase out of the AVT. The AVT had a slightly beefer designed stock, as well as two notches at the safety, seeing that was the select fire switch vs. one notch on a standard SVT safety/semiauto fire..
Ok, I'll back the others....pics, or it dont exist bat1 rofl2
Quote from: Greasemonkey on August 07, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
Sounds like a Russian refurb purple bolt SVT-40 in an AVT-40 stock. Which is a completely normal find, Russia simply used left over AVT parts inventory, due to the phase out of the AVT. The AVT had a slightly beefer designed stock, as well as two notches at the safety, seeing that was the select fire switch vs. one notch on a standard SVT safety/semiauto fire..
Ok, I'll back the others....pics, or it dont exist bat1 rofl2
Yep, think you nailed it. Posting pics now...
Quote from: Power Surge on August 07, 2015, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: Greasemonkey on August 07, 2015, 01:03:25 PM
Sounds like a Russian refurb purple bolt SVT-40 in an AVT-40 stock. Which is a completely normal find, Russia simply used left over AVT parts inventory, due to the phase out of the AVT. The AVT had a slightly beefer designed stock, as well as two notches at the safety, seeing that was the select fire switch vs. one notch on a standard SVT safety/semiauto fire..
Ok, I'll back the others....pics, or it dont exist bat1 rofl2
Yep, think you nailed it. Posting pics now...
banana time banana time banana time banana time banana time
Ok, here's some pics. From talking offline with GM, and just a little online info searching, my best guess is that this is a 1941 Izzy model, that has been refurbished along with an 1943 Tula AVT stock. Pics below....please tell me anything you can about what you see :)
Overall rifle:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_150941_zpsujywghjv.jpg)
Front end, metal and bluing is really nice on this gun:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_150953_zpsimxisosn.jpg)
"A" on the right side of the stock...I'm guessing that marks it as an AVT stock?:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_151124_zpsivo8gdyg.jpg)
Another hint of AVT stock...select fire dual notches:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_151146_zpsoddhp1se.jpg)
Restamped serial over old AVT serial:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_151208_zpseqazge7f.jpg)
Receiver serial:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_151239_zpsgznxec92.jpg)
Top of receiver and bolt carrier:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_151300_zpsvsymeoq0.jpg)
Bolt from underside:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_151322_zps9ialchke.jpg)
Closer shot of right side of stock. Note the Tula star, and looking very closely you can see "1943" under it. Looks like they did a quick sanding job during rearsenal:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_151536_zps7kj2ri9a.jpg)
And lastly, the magazine. Not matching, but still an original mag which from what I understand is crucial to the operation of the SVT40:
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150807_151225_zpsmcw26et4.jpg)
Any info or thoughts welcome :) . Let me know if you want to see anything else specific.
These things are more frustrating to me than having a hottie cousin.....I covet yet shouldn't.
It does kind of give me an idea for that extra cheese grater and junky SKS stock....silly bubba thoughts. rofl2
Congrats on the new addition nevertheless....happy for ya!
Nice! I too long after a SVT-40. You said you got this locally?
Quote from: bbush44 on August 07, 2015, 04:08:54 PM
Nice! I too long after a SVT-40. You said you got this locally?
Yeah, guy posted it on one of the local facebook gun trader pages. He was about 3 hours from me and we met midway.
I find very little C&R locally, congrats on your find. thumb1
Looks great! Maybe I can talk my ole man out of his. :)
And it's got the bayonet lug thumb1 Bayonets are always fun to find, and not cheap by any means, especially for the SVT. Izhevsk only made the SVT from '40 to '42, so they are not as common as the Tula.
Yup, that's an AVT-40 stock. Very nice example you got, for the killer price ya paid. thumb1
Now, what you said about the magazine, that's correct, if it feeds good, don't molest it, actually, I use strippers to load mine. They were made to be reloaded by hand in the rifle, or with Mosin stripper clips. Don't skimp, use the good milsurp ones, a metric crap ton of these things exist from surplus ammo imported in the past few years, skip the junky flimsy commercial made ones trying to save a buck or two. The magazines were fitted to the individual rifle, which is why they numbered them. Loading from strippers or by hand, reduces wear and tear on the magazine and mag latch from constant removal and reinstall. Aftermarket reproduction magazines are usually expensive and can require some nerve racking tweaking, but even a factory magazine from another rifle, again, even more expensive may, or odds are, it may not work in yours without some tweaking.
Quote from: Justin Hell on August 07, 2015, 03:53:28 PM
I covet yet shouldn't.
It's ok, to be jelly "Smuckers" rofl2 I got one, and seeing another still causes movement.... :o
Awesome. I feel better about this almost impulse buy. I notice is has the grooves for the slide on scope mount too. Not sure if they all did or not.
What other advice is there on the SVT40? I have already done my research on the gas operation, and I got the adjuster with the gun. What about preferred ammo? I know dollar wise, surplus is the way to go, but also is corrosive. You also have modern Tula and Wolf, with non-corrosive primers, but a bit more money. Does one work better than the other? They both seem to be steel cased and same bullet grains.
Quote from: Power Surge on August 07, 2015, 06:21:53 PM
What about preferred ammo? I know dollar wise, surplus is the way to go, but also is corrosive. You also have modern Tula and Wolf, with non-corrosive primers, but a bit more money. Does one work better than the other? They both seem to be steel cased and same bullet grains.
Your choice. 1. Pay more for modern ammo, clean less often, or at least less diligently. 2. Pay less for ammo, clean thoroughly every time.
I would assume the light ball (LPS) would be the way to go on these...but I'm talking from a 0% level of experience with the SVT-40, so take that with 147 grains of salt :))
That was a killer deal thumb1 8) I want one drool2
Mine has the grooves as well, but like yours lacks the half-moon notch on the top of the rear receiver.
Ammo, I've chucked a few types through mine, even Bulgarian heavy ball, just adjust for it.. Corrosive ammo is no biggie, just clean the thing, the action, gas system and barrel, and clean it correctly. I ain't gonna wade into the "this is bla bla is better that that bla bla" crap pool, bat1 I just use window cleaner, then dry, and oil with engine oil, same as I do SKSs, my Aks, my Mosins and what ever I can get to go bang. Just use something, even hot water, something, that is capable of removing the salts. I will add, maybe it's just me, I clean the same for non-corrosive ammo as I do corrosive ammo, I don't trust the word "non". As for brand, make, origin, what my rifle likes, yours may not, but Czech and Bulgarian as I remember did ok, but, all in all, accuracy was roughly what you see from a decent shooting Mosin. Only commercial I remember feeding it was some Silver Bear and it went bang :)
Quote from: Greasemonkey on August 07, 2015, 06:49:09 PM
Mine has the grooves as well, but like yours lacks the half-moon notch on the top of the rear receiver.
Ammo, I've chucked a few types through mine, even Bulgarian heavy ball, just adjust for it.. Corrosive ammo is no biggie, just clean the thing, the action, gas system and barrel, and clean it correctly. I ain't gonna wade into the "this is bla bla is better that that bla bla" crap pool, bat1 I just use window cleaner, then dry, and oil with engine oil, same as I do SKSs, my Aks, my Mosins and what ever I can get to go bang. Just use something, even hot water, something, that is capable of removing the salts. I will add, maybe it's just me, I clean the same for non-corrosive ammo as I do corrosive ammo, I don't trust the word "non". As for brand, make, origin, what my rifle likes, yours may not, but Czech and Bulgarian as I remember did ok, but, all in all, accuracy was roughly what you see from a decent shooting Mosin. Only commercial I remember feeding it was some Silver Bear and it went bang :)
Funny you say that, one of my local vintage gun buddies said to use Windex :)
Soapy hot water works, pain hot water works, Windex works,, even the old USGI bore cleaners are water based. The water does not neutralize the salts, not much neutralizes potassium salts, it's easier to just to dissolve them for easy removal. The minimal ammonia content in Windex kind of helps break up powder fouling releasing the trapped salts for flushing out. The ammonia can also remove traces of copper deposits which can contain small amounts of the salts. Hot water can work by dissolving and again, flushing out the salts, also it heats the metal, and poof, it flash dries, then you just oil.
You made me go there bat1 rofl2
Hot Dog Power, what a find....you're lucky as a hen-house rat. Congratulations Sir!
Damn man! I'd LOVE to get my hands on one of these. I doubt it'll ever happen though.
Picked this up tonight locally.... my buddy said it's 72 Bulgarian and really good stuff.
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/e34e7c9d-5e68-444d-957e-5b2566314c11_zps2qzkci5y.jpg)
Your gonna melt your face off!!!!
It wasn't fun opening this can with a dremel, but I got it!
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/77442_zpscfipuzvu.jpeg)
:o
There is a tab you put through an eyelet key and twist.... Can also wrap around needle-nose etc. Just say no to sparks and cases of ammo.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 11, 2015, 11:26:19 PM
:o
There is a tab you put through an eyelet key and twist.... Can also wrap around needle-nose etc. Just say no to sparks and cases of ammo.
No, not on these tins. You need the special can opener, which I don't have.
Did you try a p38? :)
I've opened them with cutoff wheels, carefully, but the correct tool is
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Misc/tool_zpsyh8ccssm.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Misc/tool_zpsyh8ccssm.jpg.html)
In Communist Warsaw Pact nations, P38s are huge. rofl
That is one nice SVT 40 you have there! What a beauty...nice addition to the collection.
I have seen guys open them, by rubbing them back and forth on cement.
Like this...
How To Open A Spam Ammo Can Without A Can Opener (HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6hrHpUJmEg)
:)). Classic
Wax on...wax off!
Oh come on, somebody impress me, use a torch or plasma cutter... :o fart1
Maybe air hammer with exhaust cutting bit, I've seen a hammer and chisel used, gently, I didn't think it was possible to use a hammer, gently rofl
Heck I bet an angle grinder would be done with that lip in 60 seconds using the same general method as the concrete guy. Who needs to bother with gently?! :)
Well I guess this should teach me to trust people.... the guy I bought this from said he shot it often with no issues, and recently. I figured I'd break it down and check it all out before range day.....and what a mess. If he was shooting this gun, he never cleaned it, that's for sure. The chamber was so crudded up that a round wouldn't even slip all the way in. The bore has pitting, but I assume that's to be expected from a non-chrome lined 1941 rifle? I've got it all cleaned up now and a round easily slips all the way in like it should. I'm going to hit the bore with some JB bore paste/polish and see if that makes her all nice again.
Well I hope she cleans up nicely enough to be a shooter...I would almost feel satisfied just having one hangin on the wall to gawk at....but I am sure I would feel your frustration as I would wanna go to town with one of those someday. My shoulder be damned, an SA 54r would be a treat.
Quote from: Justin Hell on August 13, 2015, 06:12:01 PM
Well I hope she cleans up nicely enough to be a shooter...I would almost feel satisfied just having one hangin on the wall to gawk at....but I am sure I would feel your frustration as I would wanna go to town with one of those someday. My shoulder be damned, an SA 54r would be a treat.
I got her cleaned up and she's looking nice :)
Tomorrow is range day. We'll see how she does! Fingers crossed.
Dont break the handguard. <<<<------ nevermind. Was thinking of Blicero
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 13, 2015, 10:14:40 PM
Dont break the handguard. <<<<------ nevermind. Was thinking of Blicero
Where's he been anyway? Figured he'd be all over this post lol.
School is starting soon.... He has many seminars to attend learning how to give special treatment to minorities.
Range Report!
Ok, I gotta say I'm pretty happy with the SVT40. The previous owner said he had to use either gas setting 1.5 or 1.7 for proper operation. I tried 1.5 and no ejection. Went to 1.7, and good ejection. After inspecting the gas valve and having to use 1.7 (the highest setting) for proper ejection, I am pretty sure that the inside of the valve and hole ports are probably corroded up. I am going to pull the valve and check all the ports. But she shot fine on 1.7.
It's a pretty fun rifle to shoot. It feels like an SKS with more kick. But the recoil is almost straight back and very manageable. No muzzle rise. Definitely was getting some looks from the AR guys when she went bang, lol.
Accuracy wise, pretty much on par with an of my SKSs. I shot on the 50 yard range today. Horizontal aim was right on. Vertical was low about 8 inches. I went to adjust the sight post with my SKS tool....but the hole in the SVT hood is smaller. I played with rear sight settings for now to get on target. The 400 meter setting got me dead center. Groups were pretty good for my first time out with her.
On the bench...
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150814_103750_zps9ntih7ta.jpg)
5 and 10 round groups...
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150814_131642_zps4by7c7eb.jpg)
The SVT40 has a fluted chamber to help reduce pressures and ripping case heads off...this pic shows the grooves pretty well...
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150814_131728_zpsplal5bt3.jpg)
Nice groups and the fluted chamber is something I had never heard of....there is a jelly spill in Montana!
Nice man.... Looks like fun. Save some ammo for when I'm in town. :P
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 14, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
Nice man.... Looks like fun. Save some ammo for when I'm in town. :P
That shouldn't be hard...you won't come to FL :P
All cleaned up PS
I'm going to try the yugo gas valve fix on her, and if that works then I'll order the stainless replacement valve.
Same trick work on svt?
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 15, 2015, 02:42:29 PM
Same trick work on svt?
I'll find out, lol. It's just a test really. The gas system was really weak on 1.7, and 1.7 is max and should have been really hard. After pulling the gun apart to clean afterwards, there was a lot of carbon in front of the gas piston, telling me a lot of gas is escaping instead of being used as pressure. The fit is very loose between the gas piston and the cup. They are the original 74 year old serialed parts after all, lol. There is a groove in the piston, so I used a coil off a spring and made a "piston ring" to seal it better and we'll see how it does. If the gas system works like it should, I'll order up the stainless replacement set and use those instead.
I also shaved down my SKS sight tool so it fits in the hole in the SVT sight hood, so now I can adjust vertical aim. Going to take the SVT and the Type 63 I got from xxxjoe tomorrow and hit the 100 yard range :)
Cool... Sounds like you got it all ready to blast!
Gotta say...I'm pretty impressed with this rifle. I managed some 3" groups at 100 yards open sights. And definitely draws a crowd. Not bad for a 74 year old rifle! :)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r119/PowerSurgePerf/SVT40/20150816_141258_zpsu2wsug7d.jpg)
Dang it Power, that's some good shooting!
Nice shooting! Looks like you have the sights adjusted well. What ammo were you shooting?
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 16, 2015, 08:17:44 PM
Nice shooting! Looks like you have the sights adjusted well. What ammo were you shooting?
1972 Bulgarian Surplus
Quote from: Power Surge on August 16, 2015, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 16, 2015, 08:17:44 PM
Nice shooting! Looks like you have the sights adjusted well. What ammo were you shooting?
1972 Bulgarian Surplus
Oh, right, the light ball on the previous page :))
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 16, 2015, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: Power Surge on August 16, 2015, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 16, 2015, 08:17:44 PM
Nice shooting! Looks like you have the sights adjusted well. What ammo were you shooting?
1972 Bulgarian Surplus
Yeah, that stuff, lol.
Oh, right, the light ball on the previous page :))
At 1.7 I'm amazed you didn't rip some heads or crack a wrist. They are finicky and somewhat fragile beasts despite their titanic appearance, be mindful of that.
Nice rifle, congrats!
Quote from: Blicero on August 20, 2015, 02:06:16 PM
At 1.7 I'm amazed you didn't rip some heads or crack a wrist. They are finicky and somewhat fragile beasts despite their titanic appearance, be mindful of that.
Nice rifle, congrats!
Thanks! I figured you'd like this one :)
I am pretty sure my gas cup and piston are well past worn. Even at 1.7, it barely ejects the cases about a foot away.
My stainless replacement from Bill Berg, came in the mail today. It has a MUCH tighter fit. I am going to put it in and then go back to 1.3 and see what she likes.