Hey guys!
Looking at a Svt40 that a guy has for sale. I do t know much about them...other than I have been wanting one for some time. The rifle is in my possession for inspection. What can/ should I look for on this rifle to determine if I should buy it? I will post a pic of the rifle and any close ups that you request when I get back home....date night with wife....
Thanks
Never owned one myself, but Blicero is always complaining about broken and cracked hand guards (that he is usually the cause of) rofl
They are pricey, but if you can grab one in decent working condition with a good bore for under ten bills, you're doing pretty good these days. thumb1
The gas system and gas adjuster...replacement parts are available in stainless steel, but it sucks to get it home and find it all seized up.
And personally, it looks cool as heck, but I hate shooting it, cause its a pain to clean, lotsa little parts and pieces.
Is the bolt blued, or is it [SA] stamped?
Looks like a mint russo furb to me with blued bolt and EPs on side of mag etc.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on June 22, 2015, 06:32:28 PM
Looks like a mint russo furb to me with blued bolt and EPs on side of mag etc.
Looks? ??? where tha pics at? I don't see any.
On my phone... Deal with it. rofl
Well what fuggin good are they there? Geez, fix it so no one can argue, looks like bla bla, no one else can see jack crap, but................. fart1
Like a one legged man in an azz kicking contest...
Geez.. How do I know JG wants me to post it? Some of us 'do' work ya know. bat1
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Thanks for putting up the pic LC! Date night with the wife...yup, I said that :o GM...good call on the gas system. test fired 5 rds of silver bear. It reminded me of my remington 742 woodsmaster, the best single shot automatic on the market.
I am going to have to bargain down the price with the gas system all farged up! Is it a simple cleaning or is it buying new parts? I have to go to youtube to learn how to take it apart...
is there anything in particular that you guys would like a pic of?
Off to youtube!
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on June 22, 2015, 07:17:37 PM
Geez.. Some of us 'do' work ya know. bat1
Work, OMG, I broke a sweat down shifting, ohh, I twisted my ankle pushing the clutch... rofl Beware of carpel tunnel from that turn signal switch rofl2 chuckles1
If it ain't cycling, start lowballing and work up, or the other, hand it back and say get your broke down over priced POS outta my face.
Sometimes, fleabay or GB has cheap junker parts. I got mine from the link below, afterward, tuning was much easier. But, I still hate cleaning it.
SVT parts (http://www.ppsh41.com/SVTitems.html)
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To answer your question about cycling:
Clean out the chamber. Make sure no grease is in there.
You need to unscrew the gas piston, soak the inside of it with hoppes, let it sit. Clean it out with a qtip. Run a brush inside the gas hole too. Get all that carbon and/or cosmo out.
Then you need to set the gas level to 1.2. Make sure the face of that nut with the numbers on it is squarely level. \
If it still doesn't cycle, move the gas level to 1.3.
I highly doubt, unless you're shooting conservative handloads, you'll need more gas than 1.3.
Make sure your recoil springs are not kinked and are properly installed on the guide rod. Replace them if they seem wonky.
Make sure the piston is screwed firmly into the gun.
You really need a gas tool to do all this. I suggest you use these issues as a negotiating point. There is no problem on a Tok that can't be simply solved so don't be afraid to buy it. Just don't dick with anything until you have the right tool.
I have 2 SA Toks with gas pistons that are pitted and nasty as **** but they still shoot. The problem lies elsewhere.
Also look at the extractor. It's possible that part is dicked if you're getting 0 extraction whatsoever. I'm leaning more towards a gas leak or blockage though.
Thanks B!
Negotiations start tomorrow!
yikes! Just watched a video on how to completely disassemble a SVT40.....parts city! Wow! I can't imagine designing a rifle with that many parts in 1940 without a computer!
Forgot to say that the guy says he has a scope mount for the svt40. He says it is real because of the way it sounds when he taps on it or something....
Does this even sound right?
QuoteWork, OMG, I broke a sweat down shifting, ohh, I twisted my ankle pushing the clutch... rofl Beware of carpel tunnel from that turn signal switch rofl2chuckles1
Ok ok ok... Mr. do this, do that, finger point, hmmmm yeah, screw your family..your fired. rofl
I like it JG... I say buy Buy BUY!!
Beautiful rifle John, I vote you go for it if you really want it. There's a great knowledge base here to help you with it.
And if it still doesn't work...blame it on Greasemonkey and Blicero! ;) chuckles1
Quote from: John Galt on June 22, 2015, 09:42:54 PM
yikes! Just watched a video on how to completely disassemble a SVT40.....parts city! Wow! I can't imagine designing a rifle with that many parts in 1940 without a computer!
Now, imagine, doing that at night, in rain, under fire :o See why I hate cleaning the fricken thing. chuckles1
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on June 22, 2015, 10:05:04 PM
QuoteWork, OMG, I broke a sweat down shifting, ohh, I twisted my ankle pushing the clutch... rofl Beware of carpel tunnel from that turn signal switch rofl2chuckles1
Ok ok ok... Mr. do this, do that, finger point, hmmmm yeah, screw your family..your fired. rofl
Haters gonna hate... :)
I was googling pics of SVT40 slings. Is the sling on the rile in the pic a navy sling (for the stock with the Mosin-like slot in the buttstock)?
Thanks
I talked to the guy who is selling the rifle....he says he turned off the gas system because he was shooting brass case ammo and wanted to collect the empties. I will turn it to 1.2 and give it a try!
It is a standard issue Mosin sling, but not Russian Navy. The collector accepted Navy Mosin slings typically will have black dog collars and the fabric is a very dark blue to black color.
The SVT kind of shared a sling with the PPSH.. Looks like this SVT-40 Sling (http://www.rollanet.org/~stacyw/russian_svt40_sling.htm)
Thanks for the good info guys...
I just looked at the gas system adjustment control and it was, indeed, turned off (between settings). I turned it to 1.2 and it fired perfectly. Bore looks great, no cracks in the wood that I can find, and I want it :o
I will keep you posted....
Uh oh, I think he's totally hooked. This will be a costly adventure, but probably well worth it! thumb1
Quote from: running-man on June 23, 2015, 07:33:08 PM
Uh oh, I think he's totally hooked.
Yep..."stick him with a fork, he's done"!
Got the rifle today! It does have the scope mount grooves on the receiver...The guy says he is bringing the scope and mount for me to look at tomorrow...I will take some pics and post....He says it isn't a finn bear (what ever that means)
Congrats buddy! I would be flabbergasted if it were Finn. With all of that postwar Russian refurb stuff going on, if it had Finn marks it would either be fake or a capture-recaptured Tok. I've never heard of the latter.
If you plan on shooting it regularly, please let me recommend buying a 50$ handguard on gunbroker. Or just remove yours when shooting. Don't crack that original one.
The Svt40 is dear to me, I hope you enjoy them as much as I have.
Blicero, I was only going to bring it to the range once..but it is so fun to shoot that I may have to get the "shooter' hand guard.
The guy says that his scope mount is steel and the real deal, not cast iron. I will post pics if he brings it is.
This rifle is quickly becoming a favorite...
Thanks for the help guys!
I hate to keep tacking onto your tab here but, if you're shooting surplus ammo, you'll likely need a broken shell extractor. Trust me. The lacquer coated cases love to rip in half in a SVT. It's pretty disconcerting the first couple times when you rip a case head and get a failure to feed. Just ram that shell extractor into the chamber and it will come out. The tok is just a high maintenance fickle beast in some respects.
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Here are the pics of the scope and mount. I don't have any idea what to look for to determine if it is a pass or purchase...
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Looks real to me... Blicero will likely give you his left nut or first born for it.
L-C...
I have been looking at the available scope mounts around the inter-web...$400 for reproduction mounts???
Makes me afraid to ask what this is worth if it is real....
He also gave me a 1938 91/30 hex, laminate to take home and love...I guess he needs some $$ or something.
My gun fund is drying up fast ???
Wow! thumb1 That is very cool. I've never even held an SVT-40, let alone a sniper, so take my comments with a grain of salt, but that looks as real as it gets. The patina on the scope with the wear marks from the lens caps, the round headed screws on the elevation and windage knobs, and the makers markings speak to a legitimate PU scope. Similarly for the scope mount. Does the ground and restamped serial number on the scope mount match any other number on the rifle? I don't know who put it together but it looks like all real parts. If the real experts agree that this is all authentic parts then, even as a complete mismatch, that has to be worth $2500+, right?
Oh, and that 1938 91/30 on a hex receiver...have you looked at the tang date? Laminate means post war refurb on such an old 91/30, but the hex with a 1930's barrel date is very nice/unusual.
You sir, have had a very, very good week thumb1 :)
Thanks Phos!
I have not done a thing with the Mosin and I agree with your assessment on the scope and mount. The scope and the svt40 are both 1941 but the guy did not get them as a set. He told me that his buddy's uncles dad brought the scope and mount back when he returned home from the war. His buddy got it after his uncle's death and had no idea what it was and sold/gave/traded it to the guy that i got it from. Before I saw the mount, I figured it was the usual bring back story....
QuoteOh, and that 1938 91/30 on a hex receiver...have you looked at the tang date? Laminate means post war refurb on such an old 91/30, but the hex with a 1930's barrel date is very nice/unusual./quote]
My fat fingers failed me...the laminate Mosin is barrel dated 1932 and the tang date is 1931. It is bbq painted, trigger is not sloppy at all without the bolt in the action. Magazine is forced as is the bolt.
I didn't know I needed another moist!
A '31 is getting down to the final 5 years of production. Even a refurb hex is a nice pick up. With prices for MNs still climbing, it's a really nice pick up now.
I have never owned one but everything about them screams I need one. Its a semi-auto full powered soviet built killing machine chambered in a cheap but very effective caliber. Oh, and quite a historical piece. thumb1
Quote from: John Galt on June 25, 2015, 05:33:22 PM
Here are the pics of the scope and mount. I don't have any idea what to look for to determine if it is a pass or purchase...
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so beautiful I wish to cry.
That is pretty sick man... vroomvroom
Such a beautiful rifle....one day I will have one....but not today. cry1
Great score and congrats...even though I am so jelly you might as well change my username to Smuckers.