From SGAmmo:
READ THIS - PLEASE NOTE THAT THE SYSTEM MUST SEND ALL EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS BEFORE THE PRODUCT POSTS AS AVAILABLE, IT COULD BE 1 HOUR WAIT OR SO BEFORE THE GOODS GET ONLINE FROM WHEN YOU GET THIS MESSAGE. I HAVE 3000 CASES TOTAL COMING IN AND ONLY THE FIRST 1000 ARE POSTING TODAY, SO IF YOU MISS OUT THERE WILL BE A SECOND CHANCE. IF THE INVENTORY DOES NOT APPEAR ONLINE WHEN YOU GET THIS EMAIL CHECK BACK IN 10 OR 15 MINUTES
The email hit my inbox about 30 minutes before I posted this, so it probably hasn't gone up as available yet.
Here's the link: http://www.sgammo.com/product/golden-tiger/1000-round-case-762x39-fmj-bt-golden-tiger-124-grain-russian-ammo (http://www.sgammo.com/product/golden-tiger/1000-round-case-762x39-fmj-bt-golden-tiger-124-grain-russian-ammo)
SGammo has 7.62x39 FMJ BT Golden Tiger 124 grain now. I just bought some.
QuoteREAD THIS - PLEASE NOTE THAT THE SYSTEM MUST SEND ALL EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS BEFORE THE PRODUCT POSTS AS AVAILABLE, IT COULD BE 1 HOUR WAIT OR SO BEFORE THE GOODS GET ONLINE FROM WHEN YOU GET THIS MESSAGE. I HAVE 3000 CASES TOTAL COMING IN AND ONLY THE FIRST 1000 ARE POSTING TODAY, SO IF YOU MISS OUT THERE WILL BE A SECOND CHANCE. IF THE INVENTORY DOES NOT APPEAR ONLINE WHEN YOU GET THIS EMAIL CHECK BACK IN 10 OR 15 MINUTES
This message is in response to your request to be notified when 1000 round case - 7.62x39 FMJ BT Golden Tiger 124 grain Russian Ammo is back in stock. It can now be purchsed from SGAmmo.com | Family Owned and Operated Ammo Sales, Stillwater OK (http://www.sgammo.com)
Thanks for the link, scarymike23
Quote from: Redstate on May 16, 2015, 09:02:35 PM
Thanks for the link, scarymike23
That's like thanking a crack dealer RS!
Mike is the local 'pusher' of GT as well as anything Mosin Nagant! whistle12
In this case, I'll have to side with him though. GT has been impossible to get since 100 cases popped up back in November. They thought the next shipment would be in by March, but it looks like they were a couple months late. Even at $0.25 per round, this GT is still a pretty decent deal.
Supposedly, the 500 round lots will be available some time today. I had enough "spare cash" for 1500 rounds, but they won't have both together... cry1
From what I have seen Golden Tiger costs only a few cents more per round (8-9 cents) than what I have been using (WPA). I have zero experience with GT, but from comments I have read here and reviews I have seen elsewhere it appears it's of better quality. Obviously this accounts for it being hard to get at times, people are snapping it up as soon as it hits the shelves! However I was just checking at gunbot.net and did not see any Golden Tiger listed, but I haven't looked at any of the other clearance sites.
I know most of you think highly of GT, maybe I should consider putting some away.
They sold 1000 cases in an hour when it was finally listed. I happened to be shopping for ammo and saw it was available. I normally miss out on GT sales because it goes so fast. I bought a case, and then thought I should go back and get more, but they were sold out when I last checked.
I think a lot of people see it as a good SHTF storage ammo, so some reported buying the maximum allowed 20 cases at once.
With prices swinging up and down, it is hard to make a definitive statement as to whether you "should" buy some or not. GT has a large fan base, and I don't know if it is REALLY that much better than anything else. However, most will tell you it is awesome and you should get some. It is good ammo. I do like it and buy some whenever I find it in stock. YMMV
ADDED THOUGHT: SG Ammo even posted a video on YouTube to show the pallets and that they really were GT. And a lot of people were swooning. It was as if GT was a rock star. The Elvis Presley of ammo.
GT does have what seems to be a cult following. Whether it is warranted or not is certainly worthy of debate.
I will say this. The GT 124 gr. boattail bullet is a totally different animal than the 124 gr. FMJ bullet on a Tula, Wolf, or Barnaul round. It's more similar to the bullet off a Yugo M67 round. This similarity helps sell cases too as M67 is 10 to 20 cents / round more expensive and is not available in small quantities.
In the end, you've got to make up your own mind, but I personally would rather have GT than anything Tula. The quality and consistency is night and day between those two. Less so with Wolf, Barnaul, and perhaps a few of the others like Red Army Standard.
I agree with Running-Man. Because it is non-corrosive, it is my preferred ammo (even over Yugo). However, it is very difficult to obtain. Same story as always... if I knew back then what I know now... and if I had only had the money to stock up back then.
Most of these guys who are buying 5, 10, or 20 cases at a time are going to list them on GB during the next panic, in my opinion.
Running-man I would have to agree regarding the Tula. Lots of people have shot Tula with no problems but we had issues with it early on and simply chose Wolf because it was cheap, readily available, functioned flawlessly for us and is non-corrosive!
I have never tried the GT however but I am considering it. I'm just not sure it's worth the cost (for me) because it's a little more accurate than Wolf or keeps better in storage.
I don't have a dog in this fight because I've only ever shot 7.62 in Tula. But I can say I've never had an issue with the Tula to make me that eager to try something else. That's not to say something else would not be more accurate. I do love doing ammo comparison testing, and have done a ton of it with .22 ammo. However, even with Tula, I can get 4" groups open sights at 100 yards....and I honestly think that's plenty fine even for SHTF ammo.
I haven't heard anyone mention Brown Bear (laquer coated) or Silver Bear (zinc coated) steel ammo yet....how does that compare to the GT?
Quote from: Power Surge on May 17, 2015, 11:31:38 PM
I don't have a dog in this fight because I've only ever shot 7.62 in Tula. But I can say I've never had an issue with the Tula to make me that eager to try something else. That's not to say something else would not be more accurate. I do love doing ammo comparison testing, and have done a ton of it with .22 ammo. However, even with Tula, I can get 4" groups open sights at 100 yards....and I honestly think that's plenty fine even for SHTF ammo.
I haven't heard anyone mention Brown Bear (laquer coated) or Silver Bear (zinc coated) steel ammo yet....how does that compare to the GT?
I agree Power, 4 inch groups at 100 yards is great for SHTF or any other defensive scenario.
Yeah, it functions fine in everything I've fed, never really noticed a massive dramatic increase in accuracy over Brand X or Brand Y. I've been through several cases through the years, and have two in the basement. The only two pluses I've seen, it goes bang, and the brass cases bring a hair more at the scrap yard than plain steel cases do. thumb1
And I could care less if it's non corrosive, I ain't skeerd thumb1
Not everyone can clean the weapon right after shooting. I had some bad experiences with corrosive ammo due to work obligations, so it is a consideration for some, but not all, shooters.
Just me, if I know I aint gonna have time to clean it, I’m not gonna take the time to dirty it. But, at the same time, I've shot corrosive for close to 20 years, and not once have I had a barrel fall off, not once, has a gas piston seized, not once, has a bolt turned to dust, not once, have I found rust. I can not imagine firing any number of rounds of any ammo and just chucking it in a closet, safe what have you. You invite in the "H" factor, or the "h"uman factor, the "oh, I'll clean it tomorrow", and suddenly tomorrow turns in to a week, a month. Yes, I know it comes out sounding like a dick, but, it is what it is, an excuse. And, yes, I know all too well what it's like to have a drop what your doing and go to work job. thumb1
Again, it's just ramblings from someone who doesn't put any value on the corrosive/non corrosive bit. Too each their own, sorry I even said anything thumb1
I freak out if I don't clean mine right away and then notice every little speck and blame it on the ammo and "I should have told them I was sick" or whatever. I end up hating work that night when it happens. Didn't mean to sound annoyed, but I will take every advantage I can get. Sorry.
One thing I didn't mention to the OP is that the price of M67 is FAR higher than the GT and they are both good stuff. The GT is sold even cheaper than Silver Bear. I think that is another reason why the GT goes so fast, Silver Bear sells, and the M67 doesn't sell out.
Again, just my opinion.. I've bought and still buy the M67 stuff for long term storage, shove it up under the basement steps, given the known history, durability and known lifespan of corrosive primers. I've had way more non corrosive primer issues than corrosive, fails to fire, popped primers, hang fires, strangely, never had a slam fire, yet. Like I said, corrosive or non corrosive, the cheapest, lowest price wins just to hunt paper, beer cans, maybe a laptop or retard smart phone. It ain't like these rifles are uber duber blow a gnats azz off at 800 yards accurate anyway, if it hit the target, I'm happy chuckles1
Quote from: Greasemonkey on May 18, 2015, 12:11:48 PM
It ain't like these rifles are uber duber blow a gnats azz off at 800 yards accurate anyway, if it hit the target, I'm happy chuckles1
Me too Greasemonkey! I'm happy if I just hit the target frame anymore...anywhere near the X ring and I'm happy as a tornado in a trailer park. As I understand it, one of the selling points of Golden Tiger is the sealant that is supposed to protect it in long-term storage. For me this is a concern and something to consider. But at 100 yrds all our carbines will put 10 Wolf rounds through a steel plate measuring 8" X 21" so accuracy isn't a consideration.
A question for those of you that have it...isn't the M67 the rounds that come in the stripper clips that are so good?
Quote from: Dannyboy53 on May 18, 2015, 03:11:47 PM
Me too Greasemonkey! I'm happy if I just hit the target frame anymore...anywhere near the X ring and I'm happy as a tornado in a trailer park. As I understand it, one of the selling points of Golden Tiger is the sealant that is supposed to protect it in long-term storage. For me this is a concern and something to consider. But at 100 yrds all our carbines will put 10 Wolf rounds through a steel plate measuring 8" X 21" so accuracy isn't a consideration.
A question for those of you that have it...isn't the M67 the rounds that come in the stripper clips that are so good?
Sealant is found on several ammo brands, Red Army, both Bosnian and Romanian ammo is sealed, the Ukraine made stuff I have, has no sealant.
Yes, M67 is available with strippers, and add a small drop of oil, they do work great.
Thanks for the info GM. thumb1
GT back in stock in smaller quantities:
100 round lot - 7.62x39 FMJ BT Golden Tiger 124 grain Russian Ammo - Limit 10 | SGAmmo.com (http://www.sgammo.com/product/golden-tiger/100-round-lot-762x39-fmj-bt-golden-tiger-124-grain-russian-ammo-limit-10)
Shipping for 10 lots of 100 is $22 making this about $5 more expensive than if you have gotten a case when they had them.
I almost pulled the trigger on 1000 rounds of GT from SG Ammo last night...then I logged into "The Files" and got distracted by the M59s at Dan's...Yugomania! The old more ammo vs. more firearms conundrum ???
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 15, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
I almost pulled the trigger on 1000 rounds of GT from SG Ammo last night...then I logged into "The Files" and got distracted by the M59s at Dan's...Yugomania! The old more ammo vs. more firearms conundrum ???
OMG - same here. I went with the M59. I have put that off for too long.
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 15, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
I almost pulled the trigger on 1000 rounds of GT from SG Ammo last night...then I logged into "The Files" and got distracted by the M59s at Dan's...Yugomania! The old more ammo vs. more firearms conundrum ???
I have a nice "new" crate o' 54arrrrrrrr.... I will drool on your Yugos vicariously... whistle12
Gotta say I am tempted though... have a few things on the list though.
GT is back in stock at sgammo.
I think the golden tiger allure is the boat-tail?
Probably so LC, couple with the fact it is visibly sealed at the case mouth and primer pocket. A big selling point to "preppers" that store ammo.
I still have a box of GT sent to me by running-man, I'm going to give it a spin this weekend in one of my Chinese carbines and see how it does. I was disappointed that my Russian didn't throw it very straight.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on September 09, 2015, 09:06:38 AM
I think the golden tiger allure is the boat-tail?
I have Wolf and one or two others that are boattailed. I'd say it's more so the manufacture and it's consistancy. For low buck bargain commie ammo, it's pretty clean also, not sooty.
Wolf black box HP, also.have some FMJ.
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It is consistently good ammo and the price is right. Nothing super magical about it, but the only thing near that price is Wolf ammo. Have you compared prices lately? Amazing jump in prices every month. Even silver bear ammo is a lot more expensive than GT.
In the past two years, I have seen 7.62x54R almost doubling in price.
Good ammo, good price. And, like M67, it has good resale value during a panic.
Name recognition and reputation for consistency are the two things that draw people to it. I honestly don't see it head and shoulders above the Barnaul bear flavors, but it's certainly at the upper end of steel cased imports.
At 23.5 cents a round it's cheap and it's not Tulammo. thumb1