This is my only Russian. I still have not taken it to the range.
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Wow :o That thing is real nice thumb1
That one should stay off the range, that's a rare bird.........Sweet carbine dude! thumb1
Quote from: CARBINE on May 06, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
That one should stay off the range, that's a rare bird.........Sweet carbine dude! thumb1
I didn't realize it was that rare. It has been fired already, but not much.
That is a sweet sks!
Wow! :o
John Galt
Quote from: CARBINE on May 06, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
That one should stay off the range, that's a rare bird.........Sweet carbine dude! thumb1
How rare? I thought just about all russian collectors had a D or two. :)
I say shoot it AK... fantastic gun!
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on May 06, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: CARBINE on May 06, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
That one should stay off the range, that's a rare bird.........Sweet carbine dude! thumb1
How rare? I thought just about all russian collectors had a D or two. :)
I say shoot ot AK... fantastic gun!
I will shoot it a little and take good care of it.
Wow, that's a real beauty AK. drool2 I agree with Cannon, it was made to burn powder and dispense projectiles...do it!
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on May 06, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: CARBINE on May 06, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
That one should stay off the range, that's a rare bird.........Sweet carbine dude! thumb1
How rare? I thought just about all russian collectors had a D or two. :)
I say shoot it AK... fantastic gun!
Yeah everyone has a original as issued laminate D ;)
Shoot it but be very careful, once something breaks you can't unbreak it.......Shoot the refurbs I say, or sell it and get 3 shooter chinese :)
I gotta side with Tony on this one. If you have to shoot it, shoot it sparingly just to have the satisfaction of having put some rounds through it, but then put her in the safe and blast away with a Sino-Banian or better yet, a run of the mill Chinese! :)
Quote from: CARBINE on May 06, 2015, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on May 06, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: CARBINE on May 06, 2015, 09:01:30 PM
That one should stay off the range, that's a rare bird.........Sweet carbine dude! thumb1
How rare? I thought just about all russian collectors had a D or two. :)
I say shoot it AK... fantastic gun!
Yeah everyone has a original as issued laminate D ;)
Shoot it but be very careful, once something breaks you can't unbreak it.......Shoot the refurbs I say, or sell it and get 3 shooter chinese :)
How many russian letter gun Ds have crossed forums and GB alike over the years?
I think your confusing very collectible with rare. I can list at least 20 other sks rifles that are far more rare then an as issued D. Im not saying they are not nice, collectible, desired etc.
Just keeping it real carbine. thumb1
Yes, there are plenty of SKS that are rarer/harder to find than a D. How rare is rare? When does it become collectible vs rare? I guess it depends on the degree of rarity, right? I really don't know how many Russian SKS are in the USA.
Does anyone know how many D are around in laminate?
I have two Ds and one has the ex-"ex-DDR" characteristics (and, no, I don't agree with the Liski theory). How many of those are around in the US?
How many rifles are around with serial # 3023674?
All your telling me is thay you have a D from a known refurb location. I like russians just as much as the next guy, but there is and never has been any data to support the ex dee dee argh theory. To elaborate on the sebject, not all horizontal serialized guns are "Liski" refurbs. Many have other refurb facilities stamped in the same location as the "liski" refurb mark. So even the "liski" term being applied to all horizontal serial guns is grossly inaccurate. People are still looking for bigfoot because they were "informed" he is out there.
Collectable and rare are are two completely dif aspects. I would call a non furb D collectable because its a no brainer that russian anything is collectable and especially when talking about a letter gun that russian collectors want to get one each of etc. And a non furb is les less common to a furb, but 'rare' is hardly the term I would liberally toss around and apply to something I have seen so many of over the years. If there are '500,000' of something in the US but they are all in collectors safes, they may be harder to find then others but not 'rare' by any means.
My guess is, if they are 'rare' someone would have started recording letter D serials long ago. Although having a letter after the serial is cool and all, at the end of the day its simply another year of russian sks and isn't any harder to find then any of the others.
May I chime in here?
The term rare is an overused term. Someone may come here, read that a letter "D" is rare, and then presto, the next "D" is $1,000+ on GB because he just had to have it.
No, a letter gun Russian is not rare.. Oh, well it's in laminate? Still doesn't make the gun rare. It may be uncommon, but certainly not rare. An EG is rare, an NK is, an Early M21 is.
There are less IC's than there are Russian letter guns, and are IC's rare? Nope, just an ucommon variant.
K9, I don't mean to push any buttons, but what evidence has you thinking the exexDDR's are still German when there was no true evidence to begin with?
/1\ is a refurb mark, just like the hex marks found in the same locations, which is also a refurb mark, and others.
Quote from: Worm on May 07, 2015, 07:37:20 AM
May I chime in here?
The term rare is an overused term. Someone may come here, read that a letter "D" is rare, and then presto, the next "D" is $1,000+ on GB because he just had to have it.
No, a letter gun Russian is not rare.. Oh, well it's in laminate? Still doesn't make the gun rare. It may be uncommon, but certainly not rare. An EG is rare, an NK is, an Early M21 is.
There are less IC's than there are Russian letter guns, and are IC's rare? Nope, just an ucommon variant.
K9, I don't mean to push any buttons, but what evidence has you thinking the exexDDR's are still German when there was no true evidence to begin with?
/1\ is a refurb mark, just like the hex marks found in the same locations, which is also a refurb mark, and others.
I thought uncommon and rare have the same meaning think1, sorry guys but this gun is rare if your collecting the russian sks in general, not as rare if collecting all varients of sks.
Thats just my opinion..
Not everyone see anyone certain thing as rare. I can't justify a "letter" series as rare. maybe in the small.scheme of the Russians, it might be rare, but, I lean towards uncommon. But, if a letter series is rare, whats a '49, uncommonly rare?
In the grand scheme of things, a letter series is uncommon at best. There is so much much more rare variants by other nations, is there more Albanians than letter series, doubt it, what about Soviet Sinos, nope, how about long barrel Yugos, no way.
The letter series might be uncommon in the little Russian pond, but look at the ocean of them, its pretty run of the mill in my book.
Welp... everyone is entitled to their opinion. thumb1
Quote from: CARBINE on May 07, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: Worm on May 07, 2015, 07:37:20 AM
May I chime in here?
The term rare is an overused term. Someone may come here, read that a letter "D" is rare, and then presto, the next "D" is $1,000+ on GB because he just had to have it.
No, a letter gun Russian is not rare.. Oh, well it's in laminate? Still doesn't make the gun rare. It may be uncommon, but certainly not rare. An EG is rare, an NK is, an Early M21 is.
There are less IC's than there are Russian letter guns, and are IC's rare? Nope, just an ucommon variant.
K9, I don't mean to push any buttons, but what evidence has you thinking the exexDDR's are still German when there was no true evidence to begin with?
/1\ is a refurb mark, just like the hex marks found in the same locations, which is also a refurb mark, and others.
I thought uncommon and rare have the same meaning think1, sorry guys but this gun is rare if your collecting the russian sks in general, not as rare if collecting all varients of sks.
Thats just my opinion..
looking good, just have fun with it. thumb1
Quote from: Greasemonkey on May 07, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
Not everyone see anyone certain thing as rare. I can't justify a "letter" series as rare. maybe in the small.scheme of the Russians, it might be rare, but, I lean towards uncommon. But, if a letter series is rare, whats a '49, uncommonly rare?
In the grand scheme of things, a letter series is uncommon at best. There is so much much more rare variants by other nations, is there more Albanians than letter series, doubt it, what about Soviet Sinos, nope, how about long barrel Yugos, no way.
The letter series might be uncommon in the little Russian pond, but look at the ocean of them, its pretty run of the mill in my book.
letter series are very common......as issued laminate letter D, ummm not so much, but I here what you are saying. I like LC's term.............Collectable, to me that makes sense. Uncommon and rare can be very wide in terms of peoples opinion.
As I see it... All non-furb Russos are less common to refurbed russos so therefore are more desired and collectible.
How did do? :P
Very nice, Jealous.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on May 07, 2015, 11:57:43 AM
As I see it... All non-furb Russos are less common to refurbed russos so therefore are more desired and collectible.
How did do? :P
Did do well.
Quote from: CARBINE on May 07, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: Worm on May 07, 2015, 07:37:20 AM
May I chime in here?
The term rare is an overused term. Someone may come here, read that a letter "D" is rare, and then presto, the next "D" is $1,000+ on GB because he just had to have it.
No, a letter gun Russian is not rare.. Oh, well it's in laminate? Still doesn't make the gun rare. It may be uncommon, but certainly not rare. An EG is rare, an NK is, an Early M21 is.
There are less IC's than there are Russian letter guns, and are IC's rare? Nope, just an ucommon variant.
K9, I don't mean to push any buttons, but what evidence has you thinking the exexDDR's are still German when there was no true evidence to begin with?
/1\ is a refurb mark, just like the hex marks found in the same locations, which is also a refurb mark, and others.
I thought uncommon and rare have the same meaning think1, sorry guys but this gun is rare if your collecting the russian sks in general, not as rare if collecting all varients of sks.
Thats just my opinion..
I understand your point. But just to point out.. there is always a scale when collecting, and don't take this personal, I'm sure you have many more expensive SKS's than me.
But rare is not uncommon, it's rare. It's the uncommon uncommon ones. The scale is not just Rare... And common.
Put it this way, what would you call something halfway to rare then? If you tell a noobie that an NK is rare, and then you say a Russian letter series is rare too. Are they going to realize the vast difference? Not really..
Rare, uncommon, common. 👍
Not.. Ultra rare, a little rare, rare, common.
Are you talking about 'finding a conservative in the city' rare... or 'find a woman that wont vote for Hillary' rare?
Ok, look at production
A typical..30-06 rifle, made during same time frame.
M1 Garand 6.25 million made total,
M47 Madsen round about 7000 made.
Which is rarer? Break the M1 Garand production down in to manufacture, wartime, post war, bring back, serial blocks, refurb, yadda yadda, the M1 can in someways maybe out do the Madsen in rarity. But, in general overall production, the Madsen will trump the Garand in rarity.
How many letter series were made vs. non letter series, what was est. production of each series, how many imported vs. not imported, alot of variables, some are unknown.
By rare, I meant to compliment the OP. That's all. It is a fine specimen. thumb1
Also, I haven't claimed the ex-"ex-DDR" was German. That's why I called it an ex-ex-DDR. It isn't from Liski, though. I have no idea why someone stamped some of the stocks and handguards sideways. We may never know.
The Liski theory was proposed by some who took a Mosin Nagant post and believed it applied to the SKS. The images shown for Mosin Nagant /1\ are clear and stamped, unlike the barely perceptible mark on the SKS. This post shows the original source information and it has nothing to do with the SKS. But that is a topic for another thread.
Hey, someone has to stir the pot! :)
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166 (http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166)
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#1: A /1\ is a /1\… your looking at guns stamped some 20-40 years apart from one another. Its not like they are from dif contries. I seriously doubt they would have TWO meanings for the same symbol as that defeats the entire purpose. thumb1
#2: RM may have the pics saved somewhere, but there are horizontal stock stamped guns with oyher hexagonal pattern stamps from that same list that are in the exact same location as the /1\.
#3: These refurb stamps are not a theory.
#4: Now we are getting beyond off topic, but this discussion should continue. You should most def start a new thread.... I'm lookin forward to it. :)
Quote from: K-9 on May 08, 2015, 02:56:29 AM
By rare, I meant to compliment the OP. That's all. It is a fine specimen. thumb1
Also, I haven't claimed the ex-"ex-DDR" was German. That's why I called it an ex-ex-DDR. It isn't from Liski, though. I have no idea why someone stamped some of the stocks and handguards sideways. We may never know.
The Liski theory was proposed by some who took a Mosin Nagant post and believed it applied to the SKS. The images shown for Mosin Nagant /1\ are clear and stamped, unlike the barely perceptible mark on the SKS. This post shows the original source information and it has nothing to do with the SKS. But that is a topic for another thread.
Hey, someone has to stir the pot! :)
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166 (http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166)
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I have a mosin with that /1\ mark. I don't know what it means, some post I have read say it's a German mark some say it's not, I have no idea.
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Thats kinda what we got sidetracked on AK... The below document is a list of russian refurb locations that came straight from a Russian source. See if you can spot anything interesting.
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Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on May 08, 2015, 08:55:52 AM
Thats kinda what we got sidetracked on AK... The below document is a list of russian refurb locations that came straight from a Russian source. See if you can spot anything interesting.
(http://i1191.photobucket.com/albums/z475/phosphorus32/Russian%20Refurbishment%20Arsenal%20Table.jpg)
It's all good. Looks like this is going to be a nice place to hang out.
Quote from: K-9 on May 08, 2015, 02:56:29 AM
By rare, I meant to compliment the OP. That's all. It is a fine specimen. thumb1
Also, I haven't claimed the ex-"ex-DDR" was German. That's why I called it an ex-ex-DDR. It isn't from Liski, though. I have no idea why someone stamped some of the stocks and handguards sideways. We may never know.
The Liski theory was proposed by some who took a Mosin Nagant post and believed it applied to the SKS. The images shown for Mosin Nagant /1\ are clear and stamped, unlike the barely perceptible mark on the SKS. This post shows the original source information and it has nothing to do with the SKS. But that is a topic for another thread.
Hey, someone has to stir the pot! :)
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166 (http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?370322-Soviet-Refurbishment-Facilities-Identified-(including-quot-1-quot-)&p=3073166#post3073166)
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Are you talking about the triangle where the barrel mates up with the reciever? That is simply the Izhevsk factory arrow in the triangle, it's NOT a /1\ stamp. It's pretty common to see them not stamped clearly, especially early and war time M91-30 production rifles.
The one akshooter posted up, now that, is a legit /1\ stamped rifle.