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SKS Carbines => Unaltered SKS Rifles => The Trinity Rifles => Topic started by: fenceline on October 25, 2016, 07:51:09 PM
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So, I have never seen a NK Type 63 in Canada. And this pops up for sale for the low Cdn price of $675....
"first is an extremely rare North Korean SKS.......yes its missing lots of parts, its rusty, its pitted. The barreled receiver comes with the original bolt and the # matched top cover. Your not buying this as a shooter, your buying it as a collector piece...this is the only North Korean I ever seen in Canada. ASKING 675 Shipped"
Thoughts???
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/gunplumber/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4910.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/gunplumber/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4914.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/gunplumber/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4915.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/gunplumber/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4916.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/gunplumber/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4917.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/gunplumber/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4918.jpg)
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Omg... Fresh bubba cuts on the fsb!!!!!!
I dunno man... Is the bolt AND carrier matching?
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If its the ONLY ONE you ever seen in Canada..... I think you have to buy it, and save it.
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The barreled receiver is the real deal based in the S/N prefix. Not having a stock is a pretty big ding in my opinion. Impossible to find a side swivel laminate stock in the wild. Still, it's a neat collectors piece, likely ine of a kind. $650 would be a fair to high price in the states for it.
If you do get it, please let me know the full S/N with suffix. I'm interested to know what series it is.
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650 is like 400 in the US. :))
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Laugh, I forgot about the CAD to USD exchange rate. CAD$650.00 = USD$485.01 using today's exchange rate. I'd pull the trigger at that price, and I'm a bigtime cheapskate!!
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That is slicker than snot, and I know that given the opportunity...I would pull the trigger also, too bad there isn't one.
Someone had to say it. chuckles1
I would be torn on how to display it...which, you would have to right? Would you do a mock up restore? Just the barreled action under glass?
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I've messaged the seller an offer. Will see what he says. As for displaying... I've thought of a couple of different routes. Perhaps un numbered parts either Chinese or Russian. The stock would be the difficult part to find/replicate accurately. Perhaps a jungle stock haha.
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Chunk it in a Russian laminate stock. That would be about as close as your gonna get I would think.
You finda a NK.... but no Romanian yet :) Sorry..don't hit me.. :o rofl2
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Polish parade stock? :o
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Polish parade stock? :o
Have one. Would look less right than a Russian laminate.
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Chunk it in a Russian laminate stock. That would be about as close as your gonna get I would think.
You finda a NK.... but no Romanian yet :) Sorry..don't hit me.. :o rofl2
No Romanian yet. Was surprised I found an Albanian first. I do know there are very few Romanians up here but never seen one for sale. Super rare.
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Wanna buy my extra NK sks sling?
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Great thread. After some deliberation, I've concluded that it must be bought.
But just to play devil's advocate here...
There are four major problems with this gun: Bubbaed, incomplete, mismatching, poor condition. I can see how a "collectors' piece" could be forgiven of one of those problems in the name of capturing a rarity, but not all four. This is neither collectors' piece nor shooter, and with those problems I feel it contributes little to historical interest beyond serial studies.
I know that if I bought this gun, which I definitely would for the money involved, it would not stay with me for long, but that's just the way I am. Correct and matching are what do it for me. And dumping money to make an already incorrect gun complete is not fulfilling to me. I've tried. There are too many problems here. Too many excuses.
With all that said, I still think it must be owned. I've never even touched an NK and would be thrilled with the opportunity to own one, no matter how fleeting I knew the thrill would be.
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While the front sight has damage, I'm not sure it is from bubba. While I'm not about to suggest it is battle damage, the damage itself is not uniform in nature. Even bubba tries to be uniform in his modifications.
I'm looking at this as a placeholder in my collection. Pokemon sks. Gotta get them all.
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While the front sight has damage, I'm not sure it is from bubba. While I'm not about to suggest it is battle damage, the damage itself is not uniform in nature. Even bubba tries to be uniform in his modifications.
I'm looking at this as a placeholder in my collection. Pokemon sks. Gotta get them all.
I kind of thought possible battle damage, certainly not bubba...I hope. What else could do that other than a bullet? It is some strange damage that seems improbable in so many ways...and due to it's incomplete nature, I think kind of adds to what allure still it has to offer. If any of it looks fresh, it is possible someone did the unthinkable,and tried to file it up to look nice.
What is the likelihood you will ever have the chance again? I was kind of kidding about the Polish stock, but those did come un serialed right?
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Funny thing. I was zooming into the visible S/N's to try and get an inkling of what this gun and I believe it's likely ㄹㅊ0223_ㄷ. I've got a ㄹㅊ0223_? in my records with a bit of a question mark with the suffix either being a ㄷ or a ㅁ. Coincidences of having found 0223s with both suffixes are unlikely so I dug deeper. I believe that I've got photos of this one already:
(http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/sks-files/NK/0223/0223__receiver.jpg)
(http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/sks-files/NK/0223/0223__RSL.jpg)
(http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/sks-files/NK/0223/0223__receiver_cover_top.jpg)
(http://i781.photobucket.com/albums/yy94/sks-files/NK/0223/0223__bolt.jpg)
Got them from CGN: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/535215-North-Korean-SKS
Also a thread on SKS Boards where it's briefly (very briefly) discussed: http://www.SKSboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=79277.0
This gun was around back in 2010! thumb1
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Looks like fresh in the white cuts with a pair of dykes with a side order of didn't work out so great to me.... I could be wrong.
(http://rsmg.pbsrc.com/albums/v436/gunplumber/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_4916.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
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One thing that bothers me is what happened to the line of corrosion/bluing wear going across the top of the receiver cover. I hope someone didn't try to cold blue that line away to make it look better. Might be an area to examine a bit more closely if/when you look at it in person fencline. Maybe it was just some dried grease or other gunk that came off easily?
I think you could set this gun up with a bunch of Chinese replacement hardware and it would still be 'correct' in many eyes. Many VN bringbacks had Chinese type 56 replacement hardware on them, from stocks to magazines to gas tubes. Not a stretch to see an NK frankengun and have it still be period correct. thumb1
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I kind of thought possible battle damage, certainly not bubba...I hope. What else could do that other than a bullet? It is some strange damage that seems improbable in so many ways...and due to it's incomplete nature, I think kind of adds to what allure still it has to offer.
One thing, it's not just the bullets.. it can be worse than actual bullets, it could be possible shrapnel damage, it rips and tears through everything and does weird unconventional things to both man and metal. All it takes in one chunk moving the right way and it cuts and clears it's own path.
I found this damage under one of my Mosin hand guards.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Misc/HPIM0043_zps9403ead4.jpg) (http://sks-files.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Misc/HPIM0043_zps9403ead4.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Misc/HPIM0044_zps31c3e34d.jpg) (http://sks-files.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Misc/HPIM0044_zps31c3e34d.jpg.html)
Can you get a clearer shot of the damage, if it were side cutters or something of the nature the metal should have like a v formation in the cut and be fairly even, if it is shrapnel or maybe even a bullet, the metal should look ripped torn away and jagged.
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Offered a little bit lower than asking and offer was accepted. Working out details now. When I get it I will post more pics.
I may complete it as best I can with Chinese parts. It won't be leaving the collection and I document my stuff pretty well so non-matching parts will remain known. Easier to display and store it as a complete carbine rather than just a barreled receiver.
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Or... get a blade cutout version of a jungle stock. Don't have one of those stocks yet in the collection. If I could get one complete with handguard I'd rest the NK in that. If I could find a NK stock I would....
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Offered a little bit lower than asking and offer was accepted. Working out details now. When I get it I will post more pics.
I may complete it as best I can with Chinese parts. It won't be leaving the collection and I document my stuff pretty well so non-matching parts will remain known. Easier to display and store it as a complete carbine rather than just a barreled receiver.
My opinion may not be the popular one, but here it is...
While it's one of the desirable versions of SKS, it's lost it's big money value long ago. It's beat up, damaged, and missing half the parts. It will never be all original again. So with that said, if you're going to make it a show piece for your collection, I say refinish the receiver and replace the FSB. You're not going to hurt anything on THAT particular rifle by refinishing it. If it's going to be a mismatched re-creation, it might as well look nice.
Just my 2 cents...
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Offered a little bit lower than asking and offer was accepted. Working out details now. When I get it I will post more pics.
I may complete it as best I can with Chinese parts. It won't be leaving the collection and I document my stuff pretty well so non-matching parts will remain known. Easier to display and store it as a complete carbine rather than just a barreled receiver.
My opinion may not be the popular one, but here it is...
While it's one of the desirable versions of SKS, it's lost it's big money value long ago. It's beat up, damaged, and missing half the parts. It will never be all original again. So with that said, if you're going to make it a show piece for your collection, I say refinish the receiver and replace the FSB. You're not going to hurt anything on THAT particular rifle by refinishing it. If it's going to be a mismatched re-creation, it might as well look nice.
Just my 2 cents...
OK1 I agree.....what could it hurt at that point.....although me personally...I would not re-finish it.
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With only a hand full in all of Canada....if that. I think you scored huge man, congrats.
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63 erra chinese parts and a russian laminate.... Done.
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63 erra chinese parts and a russian laminate.... Done.
X2 but I wouldn't mess with the front sight
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What I have to keep remembering with this one.... Fenceline says this is the ONLY one ever seen in Canada. Think they are rare here.... Try Canada.
To me, this means must buy regardless to missing parts.
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What I have to keep remembering with this one.... Fenceline says this is the ONLY one ever seen in Canada. Think they are rare here.... Try Canada.
To me, this means must buy regardless to missing parts.
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1 available in the country puts it rather high on the rarity index :o
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My opinion may not be the popular one, but here it is...
While it's one of the desirable versions of SKS, it's lost it's big money value long ago. It's beat up, damaged, and missing half the parts. It will never be all original again. So with that said, if you're going to make it a show piece for your collection, I say refinish the receiver and replace the FSB. You're not going to hurt anything on THAT particular rifle by refinishing it. If it's going to be a mismatched re-creation, it might as well look nice.
Just my 2 cents...
Sal, typically I'd agree with you if it was a common variety SKS, but on this one I couldn't disagree more. Monetary value is driven by the demand of the object, not vice-versa. I would say it retains substantial value even as just a barreled receiver based upon rarity (possibly the only one in Canada) as well as the history (obviously a VN bringback of some type) - this thing simply oozes history. To refinish it would be to put the final nail in the coffin, might as well part it out at that point for someone to fully bubba up. Putting it back together as-is with locally available components (which would be Chinese & Russian up in .ca) seems a very reasonable thing to do. Will it always be a mixmaster with old rust, pitting, and a damaged front sight hood? Certainly, but if fenceline uses period correct components, it will take a very experienced SKS collector to nitpick the gun. Refinish anything and most anyone will be able to look at it and see that it's been worked on.
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North Korean paratrooper anyone? :))
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Yep. Let sleeping dogs lie.
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My opinion may not be the popular one, but here it is...
While it's one of the desirable versions of SKS, it's lost it's big money value long ago. It's beat up, damaged, and missing half the parts. It will never be all original again. So with that said, if you're going to make it a show piece for your collection, I say refinish the receiver and replace the FSB. You're not going to hurt anything on THAT particular rifle by refinishing it. If it's going to be a mismatched re-creation, it might as well look nice.
Just my 2 cents...
Sal, typically I'd agree with you if it was a common variety SKS, but on this one I couldn't disagree more. Monetary value is driven by the demand of the object, not vice-versa. I would say it retains substantial value even as just a barreled receiver based upon rarity (possibly the only one in Canada) as well as the history (obviously a VN bringback of some type) - this thing simply oozes history. To refinish it would be to put the final nail in the coffin, might as well part it out at that point for someone to fully bubba up. Putting it back together as-is with locally available components (which would be Chinese & Russian up in .ca) seems a very reasonable thing to do. Will it always be a mixmaster with old rust, pitting, and a damaged front sight hood? Certainly, but if fenceline uses period correct components, it will take a very experienced SKS collector to nitpick the gun. Refinish anything and most anyone will be able to look at it and see that it's been worked on.
Couldn't agree more RM, you nailed it.
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Yep. Let sleeping dogs lie.
http://youtu.be/BVbNqKaW5EI
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My opinion may not be the popular one, but here it is...
While it's one of the desirable versions of SKS, it's lost it's big money value long ago. It's beat up, damaged, and missing half the parts. It will never be all original again. So with that said, if you're going to make it a show piece for your collection, I say refinish the receiver and replace the FSB. You're not going to hurt anything on THAT particular rifle by refinishing it. If it's going to be a mismatched re-creation, it might as well look nice.
Just my 2 cents...
Sal, typically I'd agree with you if it was a common variety SKS, but on this one I couldn't disagree more. Monetary value is driven by the demand of the object, not vice-versa. I would say it retains substantial value even as just a barreled receiver based upon rarity (possibly the only one in Canada) as well as the history (obviously a VN bringback of some type) - this thing simply oozes history. To refinish it would be to put the final nail in the coffin, might as well part it out at that point for someone to fully bubba up. Putting it back together as-is with locally available components (which would be Chinese & Russian up in .ca) seems a very reasonable thing to do. Will it always be a mixmaster with old rust, pitting, and a damaged front sight hood? Certainly, but if fenceline uses period correct components, it will take a very experienced SKS collector to nitpick the gun. Refinish anything and most anyone will be able to look at it and see that it's been worked on.
Well I said what I did since he said it was going to stay in his collection. At that point, might as well make it nice to look at. It's going to have nice, incorrect, replacement parts. Refinishing the metal shouldn't do any more damage than has already been done. It's still the same receiver. Ruined with rust and corrosion, or ruined with refinishing. The FSB can be repaired and still retained.
If it were an all matching gun in poor shape, then yes, I'd leave it as is. Or if he was going to complete it and resell it, then yes.
Again, just my 2 cents. I don't expect everyone to agree :)
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Ruined with rust and corrosion from seeing a hard life is different than some dude jacking it all up with new front sight, when it is one of the only ones to filter in.
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Again, just my 2 cents. I don't expect everyone to agree :)
No worries man. thumb1
I think if fenceline were clever (and I know that he is), he'd find himself a well worn Chinese side swivel, blade bayo stock and handguard and incorporate them into this badboy. Something from a letter gun through 8 mil ./26\ I think. Or perhaps a solid red shellacked laminate stock off a Russian letter gun. I think it would look excellent all put together with the rust, patina, and jacked up front sight hood. You can get the common pristine SKSs everywhere, these special ones, I think you have to take as you can get and leave as they are.
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Again, just my 2 cents. I don't expect everyone to agree :)
No worries man. thumb1
I think if fenceline were clever (and I know that he is), he'd find himself a well worn Chinese side swivel, blade bayo stock and handguard and incorporate them into this badboy. Something from a letter gun through 8 mil ./26\ I think. Or perhaps a solid red shellacked laminate stock off a Russian letter gun. I think it would look excellent all put together with the rust, patina, and jacked up front sight hood. You can get the common pristine SKSs everywhere, these special ones, I think you have to take as you can get and leave as they are.
Probably just the gunsmith in me wanting to fix it, lol. rofl
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Again, just my 2 cents. I don't expect everyone to agree :)
No worries man. thumb1
I think if fenceline were clever (and I know that he is), he'd find himself a well worn Chinese side swivel, blade bayo stock and handguard and incorporate them into this badboy. Something from a letter gun through 8 mil ./26\ I think. Or perhaps a solid red shellacked laminate stock off a Russian letter gun. I think it would look excellent all put together with the rust, patina, and jacked up front sight hood. You can get the common pristine SKSs everywhere, these special ones, I think you have to take as you can get and leave as they are.
If someone down south has a blade bayo side swivel chinese stock meeting this description I'd be all ears in picking it up for the right price. Don't split up a gun, but if you just have the stock and it is decent I'd be game. All out chinese stocks (well 90%) are new looking and spikes. I can get all the other parts like mags and bayo and gas tube parts easy enough.
The Korean parts will be well oiled and left alone. It just needs something to sit in to look complete, not look like something it isn't. It will be a NK barreled receiver wearing Chinese parts.
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Or... get a blade cutout version of a jungle stock. Don't have one of those stocks yet in the collection. If I could get one complete with handguard I'd rest the NK in that. If I could find a NK stock I would....
Looks like he only ships to the US, but I could be a go between.
I might be interested in the spare one without the handguard... :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Vintage-SKS-Rifle-Paratrooper-Gun-Stocks-Wood-Jungle-Fiberglass/131979299793?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39107%26meid%3D4bdee8335a4045f2943480e57506d0a2%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D322306464189
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A yugo stock and two fiber glass?
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Yeah, weird auction huh? AND...they are all for paratroopers. chuckles1
You don't often find the stock and handguard, much less with all the metal, particularly that troublesome bottom swivel. I had just found that yesterday, and it was still in my recently viewed queue on ebay. That Yugo stock just had to be there, adding weight...
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Yeah, weird auction huh? AND...they are all for paratroopers. chuckles1
You don't often find the stock and handguard, much less with all the metal, particularly that troublesome bottom swivel. I had just found that yesterday, and it was still in my recently viewed queue on ebay. That Yugo stock just had to be there, adding weight...
So which one would be free for the taking out of the three if you got it?
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Yeah, weird auction huh? AND...they are all for paratroopers. chuckles1
You don't often find the stock and handguard, much less with all the metal, particularly that troublesome bottom swivel. I had just found that yesterday, and it was still in my recently viewed queue on ebay. That Yugo stock just had to be there, adding weight...
So which one would be free for the taking out of the three if you got it?
I would only be interested in the jungle stock without the handguard...I guess the one that the handguard matches less. I don't need the Yugo, although...it was refinished kind of nice. I have a wall full of unused stocks already...the jungle stock has just interested me for novelty purposes, and I have a nice shiny Russian blade bayonet that would look nicer if it was on a gun....and no blade stocks.
Looks like someone opened up on the bid though...unless that was you...
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Not I...
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Got to love surprise visits from the Postal lady... sender never sent the tracking number so I wasn't expecting it quite yet... BUT IT IS HERE!!!
First impressions and observations... dance2
Bolt Carrier, Bolt Group, Top Cover and Receiver serial numbers all match. Recoil spring is with gun.
Missing the obvious stuff, but also missing the front sight post. The front sight is mangled and from what I can tell it has nothing to do with an intentional bubba modification. The front sight damage is not uniform an any way, and actually looks like the top of the sight was impacted with enough force for the remaining left and right portions to push out and away from the front sight with force.
The gun has some pitting, but most of the rust on the gun currently looks to be surface rust and may clean up by hand with some oil and a soft brush. The receiver will get a proper cleaning without going into abrasive aggressive stuff. The camera flash makes it look worse.
The bore and muzzle look quite good which surprised me. The outside of the gun and the bore don't seem to match. The rust seems to have just kept to the outside. Need to run a patch down the bore to shine it up but really looks nicer than some refurbs.
Will get some pictures up soon.
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Sweet...
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Congrats, you're in a pretty exclusive club now. Have fun with the resto!
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The gun has some pitting, but most of the rust on the gun currently looks to be surface rust and may clean up by hand with some oil and a soft brush. The receiver will get a proper cleaning without going into abrasive aggressive stuff. The camera flash makes it look worse.
This is going to sound crazy, but trust me, it works...
Take a 6" long CHROME 3/8" drive extension and a little gun oil, and rub the extension over the rusted areas (works best on rounded parts like the barrel). It will remove the rust and not harm the bluing.
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The gun has some pitting, but most of the rust on the gun currently looks to be surface rust and may clean up by hand with some oil and a soft brush. The receiver will get a proper cleaning without going into abrasive aggressive stuff. The camera flash makes it look worse.
This is going to sound crazy, but trust me, it works...
Take a 6" long CHROME 3/8" drive extension and a little gun oil, and rub the extension over the rusted areas (works best on rounded parts like the barrel). It will remove the rust and not harm the bluing.
I'm not sure I follow the process...
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The gun has some pitting, but most of the rust on the gun currently looks to be surface rust and may clean up by hand with some oil and a soft brush. The receiver will get a proper cleaning without going into abrasive aggressive stuff. The camera flash makes it look worse.
This is going to sound crazy, but trust me, it works...
Take a 6" long CHROME 3/8" drive extension and a little gun oil, and rub the extension over the rusted areas (works best on rounded parts like the barrel). It will remove the rust and not harm the bluing.
I'm not sure I follow the process...
Put some gun oil on the barrel, and then rub the chrome extension up and down the barrel (with the extension perpendicular to the barrel) and it will take the rust off. If there's a lot of rust, keep wiping the oil off and re apply as the oil will pick up the rust.
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Dragging lifted rust back/forth between two metal objects doesn't sound like a good idea to me. :o
What ever happened to a frontier pad thats softer (alum) or good ole alum foil and water?
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Dragging lifted rust back/forth between two metal objects doesn't sound like a good idea to me. :o
What ever happened to a frontier pad thats softer (alum) or good ole alum foil and water?
I was skeptical at first when someone first told me about that. I tried it on my rusty Savage 87a after it sat in the garage for a few years and was amazed it worked. Looked like new.
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I've used bronze wool and brake fluid :)
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Just to clarify the extension is just dragged by hand across the metal?