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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2017, 08:24:14 PM »
But the lug is part of the barrel. So that means they had to cut the lug/threaded portion off an existing barrel, scrap the barrel, and then machine the lug to accept a pinned barrel.

Seems like an awful lot of work. They must have had a bunch of short lug barreled receivers laying around from decades ago with bad barrels to go through that much trouble turning them into a new gun.

Or had some NOS press fit barrels and then did the machine work....but agreed...what a lot of effort.

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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2017, 05:31:26 PM »
Well, I've now picked up a second one of these at the local gun show, thus confirming this isn't some bubba invention.  This second one is complete as far as I can tell but is also missing it's bayonet (if it ever had one).  Will post side by side photos later tonight.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2017, 06:48:06 PM »
Ok, here we go...

The original "CP" posted has a serial number of 04008** (will be called 800)
The 2nd more recent acquisition has a serial of 04003** (will be called 300)

Both guns have the same 18.75 inch barrel.
Both guns have the same basic cutout for the bayonet in the stock.

Both guns have similar repairs to the stock comprising an oval inlay.

800 is restained, has a replacement gas tube and the addition of a bayonet and shortened, replacement cleaning rod.

300 has a cleaning rod that appears to have been shortened during commercialization, a hard rubber butt pad and the original finish.  No bayonet was with the gun.  The seller apologized repeatedly, and cited this as being a reason for a lower price.   :P

Both guns have all serial numbers scrubbed on all parts in the same fashion.  Both guns have a digital style font serial number that has been scrubbed and overwritten with the current more visible serial number.

Trigger groups are different.  300 is either cast, or has rust pitting that has been cleaned and refinished.









« Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 06:59:27 PM by fenceline »
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2017, 08:18:11 PM »
2004 serialization at rebirth.   Neat!!
      
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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2017, 11:04:50 PM »
2004 serialization at rebirth.   Neat!!

Yup on both of them.

There has to be more info out there on these. The old serial number font is curious.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2017, 04:40:51 PM »
Very nice FL!  thumb1

Can you make out the scrubbed numerals on the 300 series gun?  I'm having a harder time seeing them than on the original gun you posted.   I do see the faint numbers on the trigger group though.  That style TG is cast I believe.  Great score.
      

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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2017, 10:55:42 PM »
Very nice FL!  thumb1

Can you make out the scrubbed numerals on the 300 series gun?  I'm having a harder time seeing them than on the original gun you posted.   I do see the faint numbers on the trigger group though.  That style TG is cast I believe.  Great score.

I'm trying. It is tougher to be seen as the receiver is scrubbed a millionth of an inch more haha. Still there. Need to play with the lighting angle to see if I can decipher it.

Will take another look at the trigger too. Haven't seen a cast trigger group before.
RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2017, 11:39:17 PM »
Kool.  thumb1

Here's a TG that Pat Adams posted a while back of a [0221] carbine.  This one has lots of telltale cast signs throughout.  They did finish machine quite a few critical areas though:





      

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Re: The "Canadian Para"... rediscovered?
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2017, 11:41:17 PM »
Looking at that one, I don't think mine is. At least it isn't as rough as that one. I'm thinking kine had a little pitting and a fresh finish put on it.
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RUSSIA SKS45: Tula 49, 50, 51 x2, 53 x2, 54, 57(И); Izhevsk 53, 54
POLAND SKS45: "W.P." Marked Tula 52
CHINA TYPE 56 CARBINE: /26\ 60 "S", 61, 64, 65, 66, 79; /UK5?\ 69; /256\ 70; /316\ 70; [0138] Stamped Receiver 70 x2; /306\ 71; /416\ 公安 73; /0412\ 78
CHINA Civilian: SKS-D (XZ), "SKS-D", Cdn Para x2
N. KOREA: T63
YUGO PAP M59: 66 C-Series x2; PAP M59/66a1: 73 J, 83 T
ALBANIA 561: 78

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