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General Milsurp Weapons => Milsurp Rifles & Carbines => Mosins & Soviet Arms => Topic started by: armedhippie on January 14, 2015, 12:49:16 AM
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So...I've remained strong on not getting mosinitus...till today. Any advice on rarity, value and fair market price would be Greatly appreciated from those of you who already have the bug. thumb1
Here's what I've researched so far, I believe it to be a 1941 barreled Finnish Tikka arsenal rework, Russian hex receiver M91
Barrel shank marked--
[SA]: Suomen Armeiji - Finnish Army property stamp
T inside point-down triangle inside circle: Mark of the Tikkakoski (Tikka) Arsenal - Finland
26,000 Range s/n
D marked----chambered to handle the Soviet-Finnish D round, which was the standard round of the WW2 era, Signifies barrel throat has been relieved to handle the Russian and Finnish 'Heavy Ball' ammo in use.
1941 date
Hex receiver marked-
Russian Imperial Eagle with п к ( common during wartime to not be ground off)
NZF stamped-------Austrian WW1 captured and sold to Finland sometime in the '20s
Other parts/markings...
mismatched s/n on ball of bolt ( Smoothest I've handled. Heck even RM would't need a mallet to work it. :))
NO s/n anywhere else on any part to be seen ( haven't had the stock off )
Bottom of mag scrubbed cleanly
Very small stamps here and there...Old style Bow an Arrow Tula/ Tula hammer/ I think even a Izzy arrow or 2.
Correct cleaning rod for a Finn
Finn swivels, sling attachments
Finnish 2 piece stock with crossed cannons ( letter L inside IIRC)
Overall great fit and finish, Great bluing and un-dicked with stock. Looks like a good entry into the world of mosins. With the way I collect and what I like ...It is only a matter of time till 1 ended up in my hands. I'm still kicking myself for not getting a 1944 Izzy Nagant revolver because I thought it was a lil high, @ the same place. I don't want to make the same mistake again.
I've learned more about mosins in the last few hours than I've ever cared to know, so seems like I might want to bring her home. Its on hold till thrusday and I could put it on layoway with a phone call and a $20 bill the next time i go by.
Any advice is most wellcome Fellas and feel free to point out anything thats way off base as well. Anything I get is most always just for my personal collection and enjoyment. What would yall feel comfortable paying? Thanks for yall's time thumb1
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So it looks like this one of mine, other than a year older
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Misc/AZFstamped_zps78e76350.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Misc/AZFstamped_zps78e76350.jpg.html)
If it's unaltered, get it, M91s aint going to get any cheaper, especially Finnish ones. Magazine covers were not typically matched, bolts were typically, though a mis-match is possible. Being a mis-matched bolt, I would suggest a headspace check, just to be on the safe side.
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And it begins. Next thing you know you're piling in a m38, PU, SA 91/30, t53, and ooh don't forget a Remington and while you're at it may as well top off the American faction with a Westinghouse. Hell I don't even freaking like Mosins and I have more of them than I do Mausers believe it or not. Are you sure this is the path you want to take? Just think about it. Sleep on it. Think of the children...whatever that means.
I've bought a few m91s lately and on average they're bringing $275-350. My Mosin Legendariness (<-- not a word) is not developed enough to know what might make an ordinary $300 m91 an ultra desirable $500+ one. I'm guessing the Austrian provenance definitely adds some desirability.
I don't know. It sounds like with your cursory research you already know more about Tikka m91s than I ever will. But it sounds anything up to $350 should be a sweet deal. Congrats on your impending Mosin purchase...I can tell it's going to happen.
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So it looks like this one of mine, other than a year older
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Misc/AZFstamped_zps78e76350.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Misc/AZFstamped_zps78e76350.jpg.html)
If it's unaltered, get it, M91s aint going to get any cheaper, especially Finnish ones. Magazine covers were not typically matched, bolts were typically, though a mis-match is possible. Being a mis-matched bolt, I would suggest a headspace check, just to be on the safe side.
Yep thumb1 except the [SA] is directly above the T and only 1 AZF stamp at an angle.
And it begins. Next thing you know you're piling in a m38, PU, SA 91/30, t53, and ooh don't forget a Remington and while you're at it may as well top off the American faction with a Westinghouse. Hell I don't even freaking like Mosins and I have more of them than I do Mausers believe it or not. Are you sure this is the path you want to take? Just think about it. Sleep on it. Think of the children...whatever that means.
I've bought a few m91s lately and on average they're bringing $275-350. My Mosin Legendariness (<-- not a word) is not developed enough to know what might make an ordinary $300 m91 an ultra desirable $500+ one. I'm guessing the Austrian provenance definitely adds some desirability.
I don't know. It sounds like with your cursory research you already know more about Tikka m91s than I ever will. But it sounds anything up to $350 should be a sweet deal. Congrats on your impending Mosin purchase...I can tell it's going to happen.
rofl That's what I'm worried about. rofl Your right Blicero...Who am I trying to kid, I'll be waiting for 'em to open on thursday 8)
Sometimes its good to be a bit ocd :)) The receiver has great bluing as well with no visible pitting and what looks to be 2 sets of hardness tests marks. Also has the rear sight remarked on the right side for meters.
Thanks fellas, I can probably get it for $225. Sounds like it will be a decent deal.
I used to not even give bolt actions more than a nodding glance but... Picked up a Dutch Hembrug 6.5x53r M95 N.M. #3 just to find out what it was ( Had never seen 1 before and the shop owners had no clue either). I love the history on these proven old war horses and Enjoy getting to know them even more than shooting 'em.
Now....RM is gonna get lonely being 1 of the last hold outs on these boat paddles.
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Maybe you will get lucky, I bought a VKT M91 a few years ago, tore it down to clean, and low and behold, there was an M27 trigger setup. Oh that girl has a glorious trigger, almost as nice as my modern Cz rifle.
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Maybe you will get lucky, I bought a VKT M91 a few years ago, tore it down to clean, and low and behold, there was an M27 trigger setup. Oh that girl has a glorious trigger, almost as nice as my modern Cz rifle.
Cool, I'll definitely be learning a lot with this one. When I'm able to bring it home I'll post pics for sure.
From what I've read so far... The actual date and armory of the receiver might be found under the "receiver tang" when taken apart?
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Yup, provided they didn't grind it off. My oldest receiver is on a VKT M91, 1896 Chatellerault.
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Sweet thumb1 From everything I've been able to find out so far....I think I will be developing a problem... rofl
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For $225-250, run don't walk :o :))
Pics on Friday thumb1
Geeze GM, a Chatellerault receiver, really?! drool1 :))
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Noooo Hippie!!!!
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/funny/oh_no_you_didnt.jpg~original)
RM is the last one left in the lonely mens club. cry1
I have no idea whether what you've described is a good deal or not, is a nice rifle or not. The fact that Blicero has more MN's than Mausers and the fact that even LC has MNs strewn about the collection should tell you that the problem is serious and there is no cure! chuckles1
Good luck man! I'll be waiting for photos when you bring it home! thumb1
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I agree with the above-$225 is a pretty smoking deal. Check the headspace for safety, though.
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Geeze GM, a Chatellerault receiver, really?! drool1 :))
Sorry, I royally screwed the year up, it's not a 1896 banghead1, but it is still a Chatellerault, only from 1894 thumb1
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Misc/HPIM1132_zpsb532d608.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Misc/HPIM1132_zpsb532d608.jpg.html)
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I have a mosin in the box under the bed somewhere... no idea what it is. 10 years from now I will open the time capsule, I only hope its something worth having like the ones you guys speak of. If not, I'm sending it to RM..... stat.
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Noooo Hippie!!!!
RM is the last one left in the lonely mens club. cry1
Sorry man, I believe I've held out as long as I can. With this awesome group of Enablers, I'm surprised both of us don't have at least a dozen by now. rofl
We've all seen it before, Milsurps coming in by the boatload, plentiful and dirt cheap and then prices start going up....supplies start running dry...and then we're all crying bout the good ole days. Well I may be late to the party, but not gonna miss the boat ( while their still in my price range) thumb1 .
From what yall've had to say and with the plethora of info out there on these canoe paddles, I believe I'll end up with a nice example with a great history behind it :) .
However...Runningman... If these start cutting into my SKS budget, You have my full permission to kick my hind-end, all around my chunk of the Blue Ridge. rofl2
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There's nothing quite as zen as chucking the bolt on an old school bolt gun. The sound of it opening and closing, the tactile feedback, it's just so much more sensational & pleasing than a semi.
I hope you picked it up today. $225 is a righteous deal.
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Its kinda like letting out a grunt when you pull trigger and hearing the rotation of a nagant revolver just before the hammer whistles through the air. Reminds me of an old gear machine clank clank clank as it pulls up boulder into the air before letting it swing. :)
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Blicero reminds me of good ol' Mr Burns!
gyro.mov - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jHH9vWZ27Nc)
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However...Runningman... If these start cutting into my SKS budget, You have my full permission to kick my hind-end, all around my chunk of the Blue Ridge. rofl2
Hey, a quick drive, I'm there, let me know RM, I'll kick it all over the glorious Blue Ridge. thumb1 thumb1 rofl2
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I've learned more about mosins in the last few hours than I've ever cared to know, so seems like I might want to bring her home. Its on hold till thrusday and I could put it on layoway with a phone call and a $20 bill the next time i go by.
OK, it's Thursday bat1 Spill it, is it on lay-a-way or am I going to have to get my sick self in my car and run down I-81 south?
I mean it gives you an excuse to go buy cool matching sealed Finnish ammo!!
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Misc/SAM_0790_zps71d9bb36.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Misc/SAM_0790_zps71d9bb36.jpg.html)
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rofl Somethings going around cuz I'm not feeling well myself and taking care of a sick lil 1 home from school as well. But.....
I did go by yesterday ( as soon as they opened...I have a problem rofl2 ) Bad news is $250 OTD is as low as he would go, Good news my buddy who works there threw in 50 loose rounds of brass cased, primer and bullet sealed ammo with a 167 81 headstamp.
Never thought I'd be shelling out More than $200 for a Mosin, Then again I once walked away from a SKS cuz $200 seemed overpriced at the time ( wouldn't now) But this 1 is beautiful and the bore is the best I've ever seen, Crisp and shiny, Looks brand new really.
Gonna post up a few pics I snagged while there, later. Hopefuly yall can tell me if I did well or learned a lesson. There are still a few >$200 mosins to be had in my area but they are rough, mixmasters bordering on sewer pipe bores.
Getting it from a local pawn shop. They just bought it used, tuesday so they have to hold it for 15 days before they can legaly let it out the door. In the same lot of guns they bought was a [SA] stamped finn with a SK.Y ( civil guard ?) stamp that already went for $300 to a local mosin collector ( that is why I couldn't get this 1 for less banghead1 ) and apparently he's not the only 1.
Thanks for the help fellas....although if the safe begins to overflow with these dang boat oars, I may end up cussing yall... rofl
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Little sneaky GM truth, I'm coming clean, where do ya think most of these came from? Got Mosins, lets see them - page 1 - Mosins & Soviet Arms - SKS-FILES FORUM - Page 1 of 2 (http://sks-files.com/mosins-and-soviet-arms/27/got-mosins-lets-see-them/231/)
Your neck of the woods thumb1
Mwhahahahahahahaha
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Was there first thing thursday and got it on layaway. Good thing too, cuz a local mosin collector was in later the same day, trying to buy it. If yall see anything out of the ordinary or just plain interesting don't hesitate to point it out.
Thanks for looking fellas, hopefully I did well on my 1st Mosin. Here's some in-store pics...
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin031_zps12a22009.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin030_zpsfd919ac9.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin005_zps7c89b4a0.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin004_zps6cab102a.jpg)
Z inside the crossed cannons
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin026_zps34b68546.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin025_zps259966dd.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin024_zps4c6dbb64.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin023_zpsf5304d47.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin022_zps91e9daff.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin021_zpsb38e0cdc.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin017_zps166e0d55.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin016_zps38fafe8b.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin015_zps7a712b37.jpg)
Import mark and the only spot missing bluing ( Bayonet marks?)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin012_zps6d3bffba.jpg)
2 piece finger groove stock
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin007_zpsb56c9ea4.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin006_zps943e42b0.jpg)
Here's a pic with a dutch M95 that i happened into a month ago that got me thinking I might just like getting into bolt actions as well...
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin014_zps32367e46.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/Finn%20M91%20Mosin/FinnM91mosin013_zps6d7e0ed4.jpg)
Hopefully it want be to long before I bring her home.
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Early style barrel bands, nice thumb1 Remember, Righty/Loosey, and Lefty/Tighty when removing the bands. Pricey mistake if you break the screw...
So, where is this sugar shack? rofl
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Early style barrel bands, nice thumb1 Remember, Righty/Loosey, and Lefty/Tighty when removing the bands. Pricey mistake if you break the screw...
So, where is this sugar shack? rofl
Early style eh? I'm learning more on these everyday. Thanks for mentioning the Righty/Loosey, and Lefty/Tighty bit, I remember now reading somewhere about someone making that mistake.
Its a pawn shop in Hillsville VA, that IMHO is 1 of the best guns stores in the area. They have great prices and will work with you for sure. The last Mosin they had was a M28/30 [SA] stamped, also with a SK.Y stamp ( from what I've been reading, not so common?) They definitely have earned repeat business from me. I didn't get it for the $225 I wanted ($250 OTD) so they tossed in 50 rounds of loose brass cassed ammo they had.
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NICE 'hippie, good thing you didn't wait one day!
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Early style eh? I'm learning more on these everyday. Thanks for mentioning the Righty/Loosey, and Lefty/Tighty bit, I remember now reading somewhere about someone making that mistake.
Its a pawn shop in Hillsville VA, that IMHO is 1 of the best guns stores in the area. They have great prices and will work with you for sure. The last Mosin they had was a M28/30 [SA] stamped, also with a SK.Y stamp ( from what I've been reading, not so common?) They definitely have earned repeat business from me. I didn't get it for the $225 I wanted ($250 OTD) so they tossed in 50 rounds of loose brass cassed ammo they had.
Way, way down yonder in the Fancy Gap area chuckles1, they do have a big, or should I say, fricken huge flea market, I went once and holy stuff :o, the things you can find there. Most of my Finnish came from fairly close by, from a collector in the Ferrum area. Must be a decent concentration of Finnish Mosins around there.
And yes, a SK.Y M28/30 are not a common find. drool1
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I think you did great AH!
$250 for a Finned M91 is still a very good price...and they met you at least half way with the value of the ammo.
Have you looked at the underside of the receiver tang yet to see the year and arsenal?
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NICE 'hippie, good thing you didn't wait one day!
You aint kidding Danny, Had I not went in first thing that morning, It would have been spoken for, by that afternoon, by The same guy who got the SK.Y M28/30. Who also ( since I talked to my buddy who works there) wants to talk trade on my new mosin already :o .
And yes, a SK.Y M28/30 are not a common find. drool1
aaahhh--haaa That would explain the Ear to ear grin and beaming, like he just found a non-refurbed Izzy SKS at a yard sale, when he was telling a group of us at the shop about it. rofl
"fricken huge flea market" Yeah that covers it chuckles1 Its gotten so big it takes over the entire town, and then some, of Hillsville.
I think you did great AH!
$250 for a Finned M91 is still a very good price...and they met you at least half way with the value of the ammo.
Have you looked at the underside of the receiver tang yet to see the year and arsenal?
Thanks man thumb1 I've bought and traded a bunch with them and usually get $25 to 50 off sticker every time but... since that fella didn't even blink at $300 for that M28/30 ...The shop owner has now realized the cult following these have.
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Uh, excuse me? What's that you say? My eyes failing me?
since that fella didn't even blink at $300 for that M28/30
Lets get this straight now, this chicken fairy only paid, 300 bucks for a SK.Y M28/30, or worse yet, the dingleberry behind the counter sold it for, only 300 bucks? :o
300 bucks, Holy chopped up palomino :o :o I wouldn't blink, I would have blown an elbow out and broke my wrist getting to my wallet then, I'd be beaming and grinning ear to ear as well, heck, I'd be doing the Riverdance on the car roof with my helmet on and pants around my knees singing "I Got You Babe".
Typically, those will run 450-550 or more pending condition on the open market, yea, dat boy dar is a THIEF!!!!! And, the counter guy, needs some serious education.. bat1
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I guess I have to be the Ahole that everyone else is too nice to be.
The bolt is mismatching so all collector value is lost. Also, the "D" on the barrel means "djukakkosji", Finn for "dismissed", so it was deemed unacceptable for service likely due to safety reasons.
I'm sorry. I mean, I can help you get your money back out of it. PM me your address and I'll get money order in the mail tomorrow.
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Ahh... your so full of BS!
Sont listen to this blicero character, thats a choice rifle man... thumb1
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Keep that rifle thumb1 don't sell it to him, geez, his head would swell to even more enormous proportions. Hey, you guys, I got a Finn M91 for a little bit of nothing and a lie or two, look at the great shape it's in, nice bore and a trigger thats silky smooth, and just look at these targets. It's the bees knees rofl2 chuckles1
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Keep that rifle thumb1 don't sell it to him, geez, his head would swell to even more enormous proportions.
It's physically impossible for his head to grow anymore. Any larger and it will collapse in on itself in a singularity. End of the universe type stuff! silly1
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Keep that rifle thumb1 don't sell it to him, geez, his head would swell to even more enormous proportions.
It's physically impossible for his head to grow anymore. Any larger and it will collapse in on itself in a singularity. End of the universe type stuff! silly1
Oh come on RM, leave poor Velcro, uh Blicero, alone. I mean he's never given you a hard time...uh, never mind...proceed! bat1 rofl
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Keep that rifle thumb1 don't sell it to him, geez, his head would swell to even more enormous proportions.
It's physically impossible for his head to grow anymore. Any larger and it will collapse in on itself in a singularity. End of the universe type stuff! silly1
rofl Its what we've been prepping for.
I guess I have to be the Ahole that everyone else is too nice to be.
The bolt is mismatching so all collector value is lost. Also, the "D" on the barrel means "djukakkosji", Finn for "dismissed", so it was deemed unacceptable for service likely due to safety reasons.
I'm sorry. I mean, I can help you get your money back out of it. PM me your address and I'll get money order in the mail tomorrow.
So the [SA] must mean Sux Azz and the T= Terrible or Time to sell to Blicero? :)) Thanks but I think I might hold on to her for a bit. That is...If RunningMan doesn't talk me out of it. chuckles1
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What we prep for, imagine if you will, just for a passing second, the head swelling just a hair more, creating that special moment fart1 and then the singularity, and then at this exact moment RM pulls out the wallet cry1 cry1 and purchased a Mosin of some type.
E.L.E. Extinction Level Event, no level of prepping will save us if these happen.
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^^^^^ This is why I hug my lil 1's everyday. Blicero's a given and with RM... it's only a matter of time...
No hole deep enough , No rock big enough...Tick Tock. Tick Tock...
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Hmm, IIRC, RM riding a mule and firing a Mosin is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse.
P.S. No offense intended to St. John
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OK so my mosin cherry as officially been popped. While this finnish mosin is the 1 that got me to break down and buy my 1st mosin...It is still safe in layaway. While i've gotten some extra work and was going to get her out this weekend, I stumbled across another mosin yesterday ( not so much stumbled, as it was put in my hand with a grin at my other favorite LGS)
I didn't want to say anything till it was home safe with me and I did a lil preemptive google-fu. You mosin fellas please feel free to chime in with any knowledge yall have to share, as I'm still learning daily on these dang boat oars. It will be well accepted and appreciated.
I've dug around a bit and think I may have to buy a lottery ticket tomorrow. I need to give it a good cleaning, its a lil crusty but in great shape and not bubba'd at all ( besides a splash of white paint on the front sight). I'll get a few pics up in a new thread as soon as I can...
Its a Finnish M91 P-series
P-26
4912
B
The barrel and receiver are blued, 2 piece finger groove stock, hex receiver, and finnish matched bolt and most other S/N's are just ---- lined out. Early barrel bands, finnish sling attachments in the dog collar slots, and mostly Izzy arrow stamps on the parts.
Thats what I've got so far, any and all help/info is welcomed. I'm about to take down and clean my 1st mosin for the 1st time. ( anything like GM's Right-loosey lefty-tighty for the barrel bands will be appreciated)
Thanks for the help fellas....I was so phsyched about it last night I hardly slept and took off work early so I could pick it up today. :)
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Another one? :o
Damn hippie, now you really need to go out and find yourself a k98 if you're going to be playing this bolt action game.
Tell us what else you've found out in your research.
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:)) I have been eyeballing a couple in my area... a lil out of my price range atm though. I did all most snag a 8mm k98 clip loaded with, headstamped 1938 with the flying eagle stamp rounds ( if its there next time I go by, it will be coming home with me).
I am most certainly a semi-auto guy but...ever since I picked up that dang HEMBRUG 6.5x53r ( 1917) and it took me 2 weeks to really pin down solid info on what it was. Bolt action millsurps and their amazing amount of long service history, has grabbed my interest.
Tomorrow I'll do a write up on the P-series Mosins to go along with my findings on my P-26. There is quite a bit of info on them out there. They are Finlands first " mass produced" attempt at rebarreling their stock pile of captured/bought mosins ( 13,000 shot out/damaged barrels were relined using a technic originated in Italy, from '25-'27....I better stop or this will become the write up. I have to work in the morning to make up for leaving early enough to get to the LGS before closing. rofl
The P-series are uncommon I believe but I'm finding quite a few examples out there. Its got me wound up, hence the long winded posts :))
It looks like it was shot quite a bit then stuck in the back of a closet for 10 years. Its in good shape but needs a good ocd cleaning ( I'm itching to take it down but I'll end up staying up all night if I do. So got it soaking in some oil and have a " wild and crazy" sat. night planed rofl2
Would love to know yalls thoughts on current value ( will post plenty of pics also) because I'm seeing some pretty nice sold amounts. Oh and just gotta say its trigger is on par with my Rem 700. ( I think these Finnish mosins are going to spoil me :)) )
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K98, bah!!! Got one, it sits, collecting dust bunnies, oh so boring.... thumb1.
P-series Mosin dance1, tell me more, I missed one a while back, P-26 stamped bat1 If my memory is right it was 6?? range, but it was pristine, and not refinished.
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Maybe you will get lucky, I bought a VKT M91 a few years ago, tore it down to clean, and low and behold, there was an M27 trigger setup. Oh that girl has a glorious trigger, almost as nice as my modern Cz rifle.
Trying my best to find time these days... but The trigger on this P-26 is just downright sweet thumb1. The whole rifle must have just got a quick wipe down of cosmo, cuz it is chock full of dried up cosmo. ( and the first time I ever felt the need, to have to send some lead down range, just to help clean the barrel).
So GM, I believe I got lucky...I've read to be carefull when taking down, so as not to lose a loose trigger pin. Well lo and behold ...No trigger pin to be seen. After looking around a bit, I believe I have a M27 trigger set-up. The sear is pined to the trigger and the trigger is Not pined to the receiver like what I've been seeing in my digging around. It's 1 of the smoothest triggers in my house now. Will hopefuly get you some pics soon to verify.
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Greasemonkey, here's a couple pics of my P-26's trigger.
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/P-26%20Finn%20Mosin%20Nagant/8c24e461-a67b-4fc4-ac3c-ec5d64ee023d_zpsluklg9mh.jpg)
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/P-26%20Finn%20Mosin%20Nagant/29a5cb9d-646c-424c-8e65-e15254a84ea7_zpsgysqfaj3.jpg)
While I'm in photobucket... Its a 1917 Tula hex receiver
(http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz228/armedhippie/P-26%20Finn%20Mosin%20Nagant/8e8251ef-1bda-4ee7-bc2f-88221b47ec2d_zpsmb12bxny.jpg)
Appreciate any info on this trigger. New to mosins yet, but learning more everyday. Now that I have the 1941 Tikka I orginally posted about at home now....Hopefully can get some detail pics of it soon. Its on a 1896 Izevsk receiver thumb1 (I was like a kid at christmas taking that 1 down, I was really hoping for a pre-1900 receiver :) )
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The M27 Finn trigger design is known as the best Mosin triggers there is. The sear is also modified as well, to reduce the surface area and help make the trigger pull easier, an often copied modification, but the Finns got it right. It is a setup that is "highly" sought after, rarely appears on the open market and appears randomly in other model Finnish rifles. It is sometimes thought it is an upgrade done by the one who carried it given the randomness of finding one in other model rifles. The next best in my experience is the M28 followed by the M39 trigger, the M28 has a small mousetrap style spring and with it's design is used for take up and make it feel more consistent.
The M27 trigger in my M91 is mounted in a '42 "B" or a Belgium made barrel, it has a receiver date of 1897. My M28/76 also has a M27 trigger, which is the Finn target rifle. The M28/76 like the others can have the standard M28 or a M39 style trigger set up as well.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/gunboards/HPIM0047_zpspzqkycf3.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/gunboards/HPIM0047_zpspzqkycf3.jpg.html)
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Good stuff GM thumb1 Thanks for the info.
So would it be safe to say, I basically had a 4 leaf clover and a lucky horse shoe in my backside...er back pocket, when the 1st Mosin I bring home just happens to be a P-series with a m27 trigger setup? ( Just wait till ya find out what I paid for it...You'll probably make the drive down the Blue Ridge just to hand out a neighborly azz-kicking :)) )
From what I've been reading, the Finns were a "quality not quantity" people and fine-tuned their mosins to the best each individual rifle could be. Are there any other trigger modifications to look out for? Still getting to know my 1941 Tikka M91 ( just brought it home) and it's trigger has got the trigger pin but...while being just a smidge heavier on the pull, its every bit of Sweet, with very lil travel.
Personally, I love to research, takedown/apart and overall study my surplus rifles more than anything these days and can see why, besides cost and plinking, these boat paddles can be as addictive as the SKS. I fear I may have spoiled myself jumping straight out the gate into the finnish mosins though fart1
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The M28 and M39 had nice setups. The typical Russian capture [SA] rifles seem to have had some work done depending on the level of refurb.
Like you noted, the Finns were about quality and marksmen ship, they have a very proud, long heritage of shooting sports, very much like Sweden and Switzerland. It is kind of funny, you could also go as far as to say, they were very big on recycling, as they reused everything they could. And as small a country as Finland is and they stood up to the Russian military twice, and prevailed is impressive.
Ok, depress me, how much? Then I will decide if I feel adventurous to wander the hills sulking, in search of future Finn rifle hoarder.. bat1 Nip the addiction in the bud rofl2 rofl
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Since I've babbled on about an M28, the M28 triggers would be commonly found, in of course an M28 :) The early design of this style trigger can also be found on the M24, it was updated for the M28.
This is the M28 Civil Guard rifle. Tikka made them for 3 years, between 1930-'33, ones made with the Sig manufactured barrel are also found, and slightly more common.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/HPIM0043_zpstd2b1ebb.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/HPIM0043_zpstd2b1ebb.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/HPIM0042_zpsgvqtzzkg.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/HPIM0042_zpsgvqtzzkg.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Mosins/HPIM0028_zpsctbjluat.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Mosins/HPIM0028_zpsctbjluat.jpg.html)
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Ok, depress me, how much? Then I will decide if I feel adventurous to wander the hills sulking, in search of future Finn rifle hoarder.. bat1 Nip the addiction in the bud rofl2 rofl
Sorry its taken so long to get back. Had to build the suspense a lil right? rofl J/K I took the lil 1's out on the farm to help feed the cows and try our hand at a lil gold panning ( no luck, hence getting a good deal is very important). Then rounded it off with a roast chicken dinner with their grandparents.
At my LGS, I'm the resident fanboy of com-block and surplus firearms and they indulge me by letting me root around behind the counter, taking apart SKS's and the like and give me the ole smile and nod when I start getting exited over this and that lil stamp/ s/n. So the same day the P-26 was brought in on a trade, it got handed to me with a grin ( This is the same place that gave me a Hembrug 6.5x53r at cost, just to find out what it was)
After a lil ooh'n and aah'n and me cussing them for getting me started on bolt actions...$145 OTD :) I actually gave him 5 more than what he wanted, which worked out to me spending 145 and walking out with the P-26, a chinese SKS receiver cover, fixed mag, buttstock cleaning kit ( SKS) and 2 revolver speed loaders with belt holder.
All in all it was a GREAT day.
That M28 is Sweet thumb1 Can any1 say Enabler? rofl You keep the Finn mosin treats coming and you may have a convert. ( considering I went from 0 mosins to 2 in a weeks time...)
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:o thumb1
Wow, you're at least 3-4 Ben Franklins ahead on that deal. More pics coming?
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Sorry its taken so long to get back. Had to build the suspense a lil right?
Suspense, huh, or a taunt....
Ok, I think I need to wander down your way bat1 It's nothing personal, :)) I'll tell the wife I want to see if your hills, look like my hills, or something like that. chuckles1
cry1 cry1 shops here, blow, 21miles up the road sits an M43 Spanish Mauser for $799 :o, I told the guy, It ain't no useless fuggin German Mauser why the chumped up Nazi price, "well uhhh, it's an 8mm K98". I said, no it's a K98 based action, made in Spain, he won't budge the price on a 400 or so dollar rifle. $799 for a M43 Spanish Mauser, yet he offered me 250 on a Spanish FR 8, MORON, the FR 8 is based of the M43, and has a factory muzzle brake, that alone adds like, over 100bucks at least rofl2 rofl2 rofl2 chuckles1 chuckles1 chuckles1
And at another place, a butchered No4 Enfield for 500, a no mum Type 99 Arisaka for 450, 650 for a bubba gump Norinco SKS, grab them ankles, and relax.
And people wonder why I have a C&R, rofl One place however is decent with ammo, odd ball ammo at that, I've bought a whole bunch of 7.65 Argentine. scored 7.5 French and Prvi 8mm Lebel, some older pristine surplus 7mm Mauser, I even drug out a sealed tin of 7.62x39 Norinco ammo out of there once. But he usually aint got squat for military weapons.
And, 150 for a P-series, I puked in my mouth a little, just so you know, and it hurt my feeling a little also. chuckles1
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Where do all the old pictures go to die?
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Photobucket unfortunately. When they changed their service about 6 years ago, large swaths of the web from gun forums to auto forums to appliance repair forums were rendered almost unusable overnight. Photobucket limped along, people who paid the extortion fee for their service continued to be able to host their photos but most of the free accounts got an ugly permanent watermark stuck on the photos. When those free accounts stopped uploading photos and maintaining their accounts (like mine), Photobucket began to cull them and delete their content. Nine times out of ten, a broken link to a photo is due to this reason (though other image sites such as tumblr, tinypic, and imgur also have changed URLs, service terms etc. and cull accounts too..)