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AK and AR => AK Family: Saiga, MAK, Vepr, WASR, Zastava, etc. => Topic started by: fenceline on February 05, 2016, 02:38:53 PM
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So as most of you know us Canadians can't have anything AK, unless we are really old and had them back before they became prohibited (ie grandfathered). The exception to that is the Valmet M78 and Valmet Hunter. Don't ask why, on theories exist but the answer isn't known.
We can get the SKS, and the vz58s, and SVT40s, and vz52s (and maybe the RPD but that one is still on the fence with our bureaucrats)...
But as of two days ago, those bureaucrats told us that the Type 81 isn't an AK in their eyes, and as such it is good to go for import and sale!!!
I figured there would be some interested/jealous types quite intrigued by this turn of events. Importers are saying 6 to 8 months before they start arriving. The rifle version first, either in 17.4 inch barrels or 18.6 inch barrels (Canadian length for non-SBR type of thing, we call it Non-Restricted) and LMG looking versions down the road.
Sorry eh.
(http://www.military-today.com/firearms/type_81_l1.jpg)
(http://files.harrispublications.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2015/03/type-81-solo-682x382.1423256501.jpg)
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Ok, I'll say it, :o with all the wholehearted utmost respect I can muster after reading that cry1 .....YOU suck!!! rofl2 thumb1 chuckles1 Now that the unpleasentries are outta the way....
Get in line for one,
You got it ordered yet... huh, do ya..... drool2
I wanna see, I wanna see, preved1 and get one of them grenade launcher spigot thingies, I wanna see it, up close, just cause :) senil1
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No body is ordering yet, and no seller has pre-orders up yet.
The way things work here, any new guns go to the RCMP lab for verification on what their legal classification will be. The prospective importer submitted the Type 81 over 4 years ago! My RPD is at exactly 2 years of waiting. It sits in Florida purgatory right now.
Anyways, the lab approved it, and word got out before the importer could start bringing them in. Now all the importers know, and those that deal with China are all rushing to get theirs built first and into the country. That said, it is still going to take at least 6 months to get them built and sail them over. But competition is better than a monopoly on the first few shipments. Should make for better pricing.
It is actually pretty awesome.
I'm really excited for the LMG looking version, but honestly I'm probably going to buy a rifle and LMG as soon as they are available.
Stupid excited right now.
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That's pretty awesome F.L. thumb1
I don't know, these don't really do it for me. (but I guess that may simply be due to the fact that we are awash in AK type firearms down here and I'm definitely not an AK guy.) I'm sure the experienced AK guys reading this are going to be green with envy.
To be honest I wouldn't mind having one simply because it's Chinese. Same would go for getting my hands on a type 63 though. Unfortunately, the inane US import laws mean that anyone who tries to import kits for either of these here would have their hands full trying to recreate a receiver and would have to install a new barrel if they could even get them in in the first place (importing the whole gun even if converted to semi-auto only is simply not going to be an option for at least 10 years if ever as there are too many rules that conflict starting with non-C&R military weapons being an absolute show stopper). The profit margin just isn't there I'm afraid.
Ahh well, it's nice to see you're getting a new type up there though! I wonder what finally prodded the approval after 4 years of waiting? I would have thought with the new govt recently elected up there that a "not allowed" response would have pretty much been a slam dunk?
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4 years is pretty average for a military looking semi auto. The STG44-22 took 4-5 years for them to decide it couldn't be made full auto, and wasn't a variant of a firearm deemed prohibited by name. Either one of those things would have killed it.
Hence why I'm waiting 2 years and counting on my RPD. It is bought and paid for, sitting in a shop with the rest of the import in the US of A. Once the lab decides it is good to go, which it should be, they will be sent up.
Sadly I fear I will be waiting another 2 years.
Think BATFE classification, but with no timeline mandated to release their findings. The lab here can drag things out if they want.
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That's very cool. An almost AKM with some SKS-like characteristics. Would love to see a detailed series of assembled and disassembled photos once these Type 81s arrive.
Too bad about your RPK. I thought I was being patient waiting 3-4 weeks for a firearm from some of the auction houses...but waiting 2-4 years :o that's way beyond my patience
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RPD. We can't have the RPK, it is an AK and all AKs are banned up here save for those that were grandfathered when the ban came in.
RPD predates the AK, so it won't be a variant.
I saved photos I found online. It is more SKS with AK features than an AK with SKS features. And a little vz58 thrown in.
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Nice!
Who wouldn't want a Chinese VZ58 clone!?! dance2
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Haha.
It is really it's own beast. A family of guns really, like the AK family.
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Pre order opened up two days ago. I have a Type 81SA with fixed stock on the way.......... Due Q3 2016 rofl
Couldn't help myself.
Might have to save up for folding stock version in time. My real want is the LMG but that isn't out yet.
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Any word on your pre order fenceline? I can't believe we're already in the 3rd quarter of 2016! This year has blown by.
firstchoice
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Any word on your pre order fenceline? I can't believe we're already in the 3rd quarter of 2016! This year has blown by.
firstchoice
Nothing yet. All the same drama as any other pre-order you see down south on the forums. People whining it isn't in yet, wondering about how the gun will perform, the build quality... impatience really.
End of September is the end of Q3. If it isn't here by then, people will lose their minds.
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Oh boy... shtf in CA. nailbite1
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Oh boy... shtf in CA. nailbite1
Not yet. We just get angrily apologetic.
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Hey fenceline, what's the latest on the Type 81 imports to Canada? Did they make it in or what?
firstchoice
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Hey fenceline, what's the latest on the Type 81 imports to Canada? Did they make it in or what?
firstchoice
We've been waiting for China to make them and put them on the boat. Frustrating as all hell. A second importer is trying to get in on the deal through Norinco. Polytech is the first import we are waiting on.
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Frustrating as all hell.
Yeah....I know the feeling rofl2 I want one.. chuckles1
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Hey fenceline, what's the latest on the Type 81 imports to Canada? Did they make it in or what?
firstchoice
We've been waiting for China to make them and put them on the boat. Frustrating as all hell. A second importer is trying to get in on the deal through Norinco. Polytech is the first import we are waiting on.
Are they going to be new production? Or are you just referring to making them semi-auto, and any other loophole they have to jump through in order to export to you? I have no idea what they're like to shoot or how reliable they are, but they look like something I'd like to add to my collection. :) thumb1
Everyone is making a wish list of things for President Trump to reverse, fix, or correct. I might as well add being able to import firearms from Canada to the list. thumb1 I'm rooting for this newest lawsuit out of Kansas that's going to end up at the SCOTUS, the first to actually contest the legallity of the Federal Government to make ANY laws concerning individual firearms ownership. The true and original meaning of the 2A! It could nullify every law since the Gun Control Act of 1934. States Rights! Of course, you'd need to live in a gun-friendly state after that. :) You California members, I feel for ya!
firstchoice
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Are they going to be new production? Or are you just referring to making them semi-auto, and any other loophole they have to jump through in order to export to you? I have no idea what they're like to shoot or how reliable they are, but they look like something I'd like to add to my collection. :) thumb1
These will be new production, semi-auto only. Yes I'm on the waiting list for one too, patience is a virtue they say but my virtue is wear thin LOL.
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Wow, the Chinese broke out the old tooling for the Type 81's. I don't remember off hand when they last were in production. I wonder how big of a production run they will make of the semi-auto version?
They never made a semi-auto version for their military or militia, did they? I wonder if they'll stay with the dedicated Type 81 magazines or adapt to use the regular Type 56 AKM mags? Was it just a bolt hold open feature that made the Type 81 mags different?
Maybe the Chinese have insider knowledge that we'll be able to buy them down here in the States, too? :) We can always dream.
firstchoice
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Wow, the Chinese broke out the old tooling for the Type 81's. I don't remember off hand when they last were in production. I wonder how big of a production run they will make of the semi-auto version?
They never made a semi-auto version for their military or militia, did they? I wonder if they'll stay with the dedicated Type 81 magazines or adapt to use the regular Type 56 AKM mags? Was it just a bolt hold open feature that made the Type 81 mags different?
Maybe the Chinese have insider knowledge that we'll be able to buy them down here in the States, too? :) We can always dream.
firstchoice
FC... I posted this article on the Type 81 http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=2794.msg32391
I'm dreaming.. thumb1
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Dang it GM. I hear Type 81 and think Type 63/68 (Type 63). I knew about the Type 81 because I actually had a chance to buy a semi-auto version, brand new, with that fancy, double fuller blade bayonet, and all. This was waaay back when the internet was brand new. If I remember correctly, Da Keng of KFS had a few that he turned loose of and put on GunBroker 6 or 8 years ago?
And wonder of wonders, I was the OP of the thread you posted that article in. The 'ole memory cells upstairs aren't responding very well for me today. fart1 Oh well, another thing to check off the list "that goes" after you get ancient.
Thanks for reminding me. thumb1 Now, where'd I park my car?
firstchoice
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Wow, the Chinese broke out the old tooling for the Type 81's. I don't remember off hand when they last were in production. I wonder how big of a production run they will make of the semi-auto version?
They never made a semi-auto version for their military or militia, did they? I wonder if they'll stay with the dedicated Type 81 magazines or adapt to use the regular Type 56 AKM mags? Was it just a bolt hold open feature that made the Type 81 mags different?
Maybe the Chinese have insider knowledge that we'll be able to buy them down here in the States, too? :) We can always dream.
firstchoice
Still being produced for some SE asian countries (among others) apparantly and the reason ours got delayed was because of a large foreign gov't purchase of the same rifle. Or so the story goes.
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The canada semi autos will be use the type 81 magazines that have the bolt hold open. China still gas the tooling to make them. As do Bangladesh. And China makes them for Myanmar.
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Dang it GM. I hear Type 81 and think Type 63/68 (Type 63). I knew about the Type 81 because I actually had a chance to buy a semi-auto version, brand new, with that fancy, double fuller blade bayonet, and all. This was waaay back when the internet was brand new. If I remember correctly, Da Keng of KFS had a few that he turned loose of and put on GunBroker 6 or 8 years ago?
And wonder of wonders, I was the OP of the thread you posted that article in. The 'ole memory cells upstairs aren't responding very well for me today. fart1 Oh well, another thing to check off the list "that goes" after you get ancient.
Thanks for reminding me. thumb1 Now, where'd I park my car?
firstchoice
The type 63 (also incorrectly called the type 68) uses the same magazines as the 81. Or vice versa depending on how you think it. The 81 is a direct lineage of the 63.
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I don't see any resemblance between the 63 and 81. :-\
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Dang it GM. I hear Type 81 and think Type 63/68 (Type 63). I knew about the Type 81 because I actually had a chance to buy a semi-auto version, brand new, with that fancy, double fuller blade bayonet, and all. This was waaay back when the internet was brand new. If I remember correctly, Da Keng of KFS had a few that he turned loose of and put on GunBroker 6 or 8 years ago?
And wonder of wonders, I was the OP of the thread you posted that article in. The 'ole memory cells upstairs aren't responding very well for me today. fart1 Oh well, another thing to check off the list "that goes" after you get ancient.
Thanks for reminding me. thumb1 Now, where'd I park my car?
firstchoice
The type 63 (also incorrectly called the type 68) uses the same magazines as the 81. Or vice versa depending on how you think it. The 81 is a direct lineage of the 63.
I have several styles of the 20rd Type 63 magazines, both metal and plastic. But no examples of the Type 81 mags. Do the Type 81 magazines have the wide spline on the back, too?
The top two mags are 20rd Type 63, in steel and plastic. The bottom mag is a Hungarian 20rd steel "Tanker" mag.
(http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/firstchoice14/Chinese%20Type%2063%2020rd%20Magazines/SAM_3018.jpg)
I looked through articles on the Type 81, but I can't get a good angle on the magazine. Just curious.
The Yugoslav BHO mags don't have the wide spline. How did they hold up? The folllower takes most of the abuse. I guess it would depend on how well the follower is designed/manufactured.
firstchoice
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Here is a shot of the mag and some more rifle photos..
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?192039-Chinese-Type-81-S
(http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/AK/7.62_MagChineseType81.30rd.jpg)
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I don't see any resemblance between the 63 and 81. :-\
The rcmp lab evaluation cites the Type 81 being a evolution of the Type 63. They had it for 3 years examining it.
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I don't see any resemblance between the 63 and 81. :-\
The rcmp lab evaluation cites the Type 81 being a evolution of the Type 63. They had it for 3 years examining it.
Yeah... after the 63, chinas small arms design 'evolved' into a completely weapon. :))
No offence, but they can evaluate it until the cows come home, the only resemblance I see is they were both made in China and possibly share the same mag. Where did they get the 63 for the comparison?
Most pics of a 63 you will find in one place on the internet. http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=713.0
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I don't see any resemblance between the 63 and 81. :-\
The rcmp lab evaluation cites the Type 81 being a evolution of the Type 63. They had it for 3 years examining it.
Yeah... after the 63, chinas small arms design 'evolved' into a completely weapon. :))
No offence, but they can evaluate it until the cows come home, the only resemblance I see is they were both made in China and possibly share the same mag. Where did they get the 63 for the comparison?
Most pics of a 63 you will find in one place on the internet. http://sks-files.com/index.php?topic=713.0
That "RCMP lab evaluation" is a bit of an inside joke up here - it's all meaningless smoke and mirrors for the gov't to arbitrarily rate (and delay) firearm approvals. So yea, we take all their evaluation "rationale" with a large grain of salt LOL.
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Yeah... 3 years to look at something and come to that conclusion? bat1
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Yeah... 3 years to look at something and come to that conclusion? bat1
Exactly!
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I been inspecting SKS carbines for over 10 years and can now release my official evaluation statement. fineprint
Its a gun.
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I been inspecting SKS carbines for over 10 years and can now release my official evaluation statement. fineprint
Its a gun.
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Yeah... 3 years to look at something and come to that conclusion? bat1
Like the ATF. But efficient at screwing people.
But they have actually handled both so.... will give them that.
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Yeah... 3 years to look at something and come to that conclusion? bat1
Exactly!
3 years.... and they haven't figured out it matches an Ak or Vz in just about all aspects and performance, but yet, they wont allow an Ak. Maybe it's that horrible rotating bolt they fear, its scary when it rotates, maybe the Ak magazine is too close to the trigger guard, mashed fingers are no fun chuckles1
So yea, we take all their evaluation "rationale" with a large grain of salt LOL
Thats gotta be one big arse grain of salt, like Empire State Building sized grain of salt. rofl2
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They won't allow AKs because the law specifically says AKs are banned like in several US states. Same type of legislation.
So they have looked at this gun and like the vz58 said it isn't an AK variant. Canadian gun law is confusing for most Canadians. Don't try to apply logic to it.
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UPDATE FROM THE IMPORTER>>> (Not that you guys really care, but you get to see what we are dealing with up north... fart1)
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T81 Update Feb 21st 2017
We had a lengthy discussion with Poly today, they have recently visited the factory and we have some new information regarding our order. The factory makes a production plan at the beginning of every year, that lays out their production schedule for the entire year. Unbeknownst to us or Poly at the time, the T81 is not a commonly ordered item and it is only produced every once in a while, not even on a yearly basis. There needs to be a certain number of orders together before the factory will consider doing a production run. Initially, Poly was likely telling us estimates based on their experience with other projects, such as the T97 that is produced on a regular basis, unaware that the T81 was seldom produced by the factory. Poly was told by the factory in the fall there was no scheduled 2016 T81 production, however they had received a government order of 30,000 T81’s, so there would be an upcoming T81 order regardless. They’d try and get the order in the winter if they could, but no guarantees due to the recently expanded military orders they were fulfilling.
We have been informed the production plan for 2017 was developed and the T81 production run was officially scheduled for this July. The factory has a 50 million dollar government contract for AK’s that has to be produced first. They are on maximum capacity with nothing else being produced until this is finished. Once this is done however, we are first on the list. While all of this may seem like bad news, we are lucky for a number of reasons:
1) If the contract for 30k T81’s didn’t come in last year, we could be waiting even longer for the factory to justify a production run
2) The Chinese military will be re-arming their service rifles with a new unannounced modular rifle. We have been told that the factory (among others) will only producing rifles for the re-armament for next 2-3 years, then you can imagine the backlog of orders to fulfill after that. This means that this could be the only T81 production run in the next 3+ years, likely even longer.
We understand that many may be frustrated by this news but this is a situation completely out of our control; we can only go by the information we receive. We strive to make sure everyone that deals with Tactical Imports is a happy client, so in addition to the pre-order bonuses of a spare extra magazine and sling we will now be providing everyone with a T81 order as of February 20th, $50 of store credit for use with a future purchase or issued as a gift certificate to a third party. We of course will be offering full refunds upon request, however keep in mind the store credit bonus is only for active orders placed prior to February 21. Also keep in mind, those with pre-orders have a locked-in price.
Good news is that we have received our 5/30 magazines and wood stock set finished as per production specs, so shortly we’ll be able to send our prototype T81 around for media reviews, articles and videos. Those patiently waiting will be awarded with some long awaited content.
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5/30 mags for those wondering wtf he means... are 30 round mags pinned to 5 to comply with Kanuckistan law.
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Just another teaser pic (courtesy of a CGN board mod), supposedly with production version furniture. July production? Who knows, maybe Santa will have it for me this year lol.
(http://www.fototime.com/AD5FC1F0D67876E/large.jpg)
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The Type 81; for when you really want an AK, Canada doesn't allow AKs, and China throws a monkeywrench into the entire works!
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The Type 81; for when you really want an AK, Canada doesn't allow AKs, and China throws a monkeywrench into the entire works!
And you still don't get an AK...
I've got my Canadian AK. Valmet suits me just fine.
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The Type 81; for when you really want an AK, Canada doesn't allow AKs, and China throws a monkeywrench into the entire works!
And you still don't get an AK...
I've got my Canadian AK. Valmet suits me just fine.
:o :) Uh, Valmet, that's worthy of a post with centerfold pictures and everything thumb1
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Center foldy enough for you??? :P
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy118/Prairie-Law-Dog/Valmet%20M78/IMG_5781_zps49ebf909.jpg)
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Nice! thumb1 5.56x45?
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Were there Valmet's made in 7.62x51mm? That almost looks like a straight mag. Kinda like a HK-91 magazine? What a beautiful rifle!
firstchoice
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It's in 308. Valet m78 came in 7.62x39, 223 and 308. The mags are an HK modified mag done by Valmet.
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5/30 mags for those wondering wtf he means... are 30 round mags pinned to 5 to comply with Kanuckistan law.
I wonder if they will do any 5/75 or 5/100 drums for the long one? fart1
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5/30 mags for those wondering wtf he means... are 30 round mags pinned to 5 to comply with Kanuckistan law.
I wonder if they will do any 5/75 or 5/100 drums for the long one? fart1
I'm sure someone will.
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Hey, any news on the Canadian import Chinese Type 81's? It's almost July now and we, (me, anyway), haven't heard anything. Just curious. popcorn1
firstchoice
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Hey, any news on the Canadian import Chinese Type 81's? It's almost July now and we, (me, anyway), haven't heard anything. Just curious. popcorn1
firstchoice
The importer has stated that production should start in July.
It's getting ridiculous.
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The importer has stated that production should start in July.
I don`t think they stated what year though :))
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Looks like these things have actually gotten built now - might even receive one sometime this year!
(https://i.imgtc.com/KpqcQa1.jpg)
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Looks good Luke2236! Was the article in the Calibre magazine any good, as far as production details, etc.? I'm curious as to whether they're completely new rifles, or scrubbed and reworked, or a mix of both? Either way, you guys are lucky to get them. If they actually get into your hands, that is. :)
Have they given you an estimated retail price yet?
firstchoice
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I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive in the mail - just grabbed their cover shot off the net :) . The rifle in the pic is a pre-production mule brought in for gov't certification/clearance, there'll be some differences in the final production model (blued instead of parkerized, wooden furniture, ribbed barrel, etc.) These are all new production, semi-auto design only (not converted auto) for our legalities up here. There are two versions though - fixed or folding stock; I have a folder on order. The wait has been so long because the factory tagged with their production was busy filling other military orders, or so it's been said. Then it's a slow boat from China lol, so another 6-8 weeks for them to arrive on our shores, clear customs and make it to dealer stock.The Canadian vendor is doing a final on-site inspection of the rifles on the 29th so there'll be more info/pics to share then I'm sure.
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Well this is all we've got so far this weekend, full update is "pending"....the soap opera continues lol.
Not easily discernible, but (pic taken by vendor during on site factory inspection) boxes are stamped "T81 SA". Now I have no reason to believe these are anything other than our Canadian order waiting on shipment out of China, but vendor's comm skills are somewhat less than stellar.
P.S. "firstchoice", sorry missed your pricing query in my previous response - these are aprx $US 750-800 depending on exchange rate.
(https://i.imgtc.com/dhDzn3X.jpg)
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A more detailed update today - lookin' good!
From the vendor:
We are happy to announce that the Type 81 inspection was a success! Inspection notes are as follows:
-30 guns were inspected from random boxes
-No aesthetic problems identified
-450 rounds tested, no stoppages
-No overdrilling of gas ports in barrels
-Mistake with wood finish made, guns will come with an extra set of wood included in the box, finished to proper order specs. Will not effect schedule
-Extra units ordered by Poly on this run, we will have more units available in the future
-Production adhered to the Canadian semi-auto standards as designed, no deviation
-Export already booked, delivery is on schedule
-Guns look sweet!
(https://i.imgtc.com/ZeVQX4whxd.jpg)
(https://i.imgtc.com/EObfEIPhap.jpg)
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Have any of these Type 81's made it into the hands of you fine allies and friends to the north of our border? Our protectors of our Northern Border! Makers of fine beer and other fine stuff of various Canadian sorts. I might have to drive in that general direction and "be in the neighborhood", ya know?! :) Wouldn't mind shootin' one of those, sometime! ;)
I like the looks of the Type 81, anyway. And I'm always happy when a new offering makes into the hands of firearms enthusiasts. I want one, dang it! bat1 chuckles1
I still can't believe I passed on the chance to buy a new Type 81 rifle that came with that sexy bayonet that the Type 81 uses. This was w-a-y back when all the new stuff was being imported. There weren't that many that came into the States, either. I have the pics of that sale offer on my old hard drive. I'll have to pry that off of there some day so I can really kick myself. cry1
firstchoice
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Our protectors of our Northern Border!
I wish they were protecting with these, were being overun on our southern side.
We need to build a wall! chuckles1
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Not here yet. We are expecting them by end of November. Hopefully sooner.
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Apparently they have landed in country and have cleared customs. This photo just got leaked from the importer apparently.
Edit: guy hosting the photo pulled it. But not before I could save it hahahaha. Stand by...
Voila...
(https://s6.postimg.org/i2yhmx1kx/37180844224_be0d1f9733_k.jpg)
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Looks good! Is this supplied by /26\? "Made By Norinco" on it? Anybody have the info on those specifics yet? I doubt that there are that many factories still running with the tooling for the Type 81's, even making new parts to avoid those awful military features. Probably new Receivers, Trigger Group parts, anything to do with select fire. I'm curious as to why they left the Grenade Launcher capability on the barrels? I can't tell from this latest pic, is the grenade launcher sight ladder still on these? Are you guys able to use the practice/dummy rifle grenades "up there"? It's difficult to keep track of our intricate, confusing laws and regulations. I have few facts about Canadian laws.
Do they have/offer that crazy cool bayonet that the Type 81 was issued? I always wanted one of those. I ordered a "practice" Type 81 bayonet from China and got a cheap plastic toy. And I use the term toy loosely there. Any kid I know would have it in pieces almost immediately. It worked well enough to get a few more Yankee dollars from me. Fool me once, yeah. And if you dress it up and somehow connect it to Chinese milsurp, you can probably sucker me twice, dang it. Besplode
It's interesting that China is still producing "whatever 'ya want" for the West. I know it's a pipe dream, but I wish Trump would fix the China Arms trade thingy, whatever it was that shut off the Small Arms from coming in from China. Of course the lefties would have a complete televised meltdown if that subject was even raised now. Would anyone else mind buying Polytech AK's for $350.00 again? :o :)
firstchoice
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Made by Emei. Which is Factory 26 Jianshe.
Grenade launcher was left on by popular demand. By Canadian law for this to be non restricted the barrel without attachments needs to be 18.6 inches long. The military barrel is around 17.2 inches. So they added barrel by making it thread deeper into the muzzle attachment, but the end of the muzzle attachment only site 0.7 inches farther forward than military spec thus hiding some of the longer barrel. If that makes sense. Pretty ingenious. When I say non restricted, think non SBR in US terms which is 16 inches if I have it right. 1.4 inches more barrel with the muzzle device ending only. 7 inches farther out.
Bayonets might still work. Lots of people buying them on e bay but with the 0.7 longer out muzzle device it isn't know how well the bayo will work.
Ladder sights? Not a thing on these.
We can get dummy grenades. Or 3d print has been suggested to run with blanks. So muzzle device is cool. Looks better too than the naked barrel.
EBay has real bayos if you know where to look. Might be listed as hunting knives. Or kitchen knives.
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Looks like these things have actually gotten built now - might even receive one sometime this year!
(https://i.imgtc.com/KpqcQa1.jpg)
Is this article about the Type 81's in Calibre magazine available online? I'd like to see it if I can find it somewhere.
A more detailed update today - lookin' good!
From the vendor:
We are happy to announce that the Type 81 inspection was a success! Inspection notes are as follows:
-30 guns were inspected from random boxes
-No aesthetic problems identified
-450 rounds tested, no stoppages
-No overdrilling of gas ports in barrels
-Mistake with wood finish made, guns will come with an extra set of wood included in the box, finished to proper order specs. Will not effect schedule
-Extra units ordered by Poly on this run, we will have more units available in the future
-Production adhered to the Canadian semi-auto standards as designed, no deviation
-Export already booked, delivery is on schedule
-Guns look sweet!
(https://i.imgtc.com/ZeVQX4whxd.jpg)
I think I like the folding stock model better to look at, but would probably prefer the fixed stock as a shooter. If it's comparable to the AK type folding vs. fixed shooting situation, anyway. I guess a guy could just buy one of each and be happy, though! thumb1
How are the 7.62x39mm surplus ammo stocks holding out for Canadian purchases? I take it that you can still get surplus Chinese 7.62x39 ammo? How about the Russian and other previous Commbloc surplus x39 ammo? Are the prices still affordable?
Made by Emei. Which is Factory 26 Jianshe.
Grenade launcher was left on by popular demand. By Canadian law for this to be non restricted the barrel without attachments needs to be 18.6 inches long. The military barrel is around 17.2 inches. So they added barrel by making it thread deeper into the muzzle attachment, but the end of the muzzle attachment only site 0.7 inches farther forward than military spec thus hiding some of the longer barrel. If that makes sense. Pretty ingenious. When I say non restricted, think non SBR in US terms which is 16 inches if I have it right. 1.4 inches more barrel with the muzzle device ending only. 7 inches farther out.
Bayonets might still work. Lots of people buying them on e bay but with the 0.7 longer out muzzle device it isn't know how well the bayo will work.
Ladder sights? Not a thing on these.
We can get dummy grenades. Or 3d print has been suggested to run with blanks. So muzzle device is cool. Looks better too than the naked barrel.
EBay has real bayos if you know where to look. Might be listed as hunting knives. Or kitchen knives.
That was pretty ingenious on the barrel length problem. It still looks like the original. Not sure if the bayonet would still work, but I'd want one, anyway. Is Emei supplying the bayonets for Canadian purchases? I've been watching Ebay for the Type 81 bayonets, but can't seem to find them. I'll start broadening my search parameters as you suggested.
Thanks for the updates, guys!
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How are the 7.62x39mm surplus ammo stocks holding out for Canadian purchases? I take it that you can still get surplus Chinese 7.62x39 ammo? How about the Russian and other previous Commbloc surplus x39 ammo? Are the prices still affordable?
let me check my spreadsheet,
Bulgarian 1320, $355cdn
PRC 1440 $310cdn
Russian 1320 $339cdn
(april 2017)
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Look up survival knives. You'll find bayonets.
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And No, bayonet is not being supplied by Emei.
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These have now officially cleared customs and will be enroute to vendor for distribution to (long-suffering, patient) buyers - getting REAL close to hands on time now woot!!!
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How are the 7.62x39mm surplus ammo stocks holding out for Canadian purchases? I take it that you can still get surplus Chinese 7.62x39 ammo? How about the Russian and other previous Commbloc surplus x39 ammo? Are the prices still affordable?[/size]
P.S. as Newchi note, corrosive surplus is still readily available, if slowly rising in $$. And yes new production non-corrosive Chinese ammo is available from time to time:
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P.S. as Newchi note, corrosive surplus is still readily available, if slowly rising in $$. And yes new production non-corrosive Chinese ammo is available from time to time:
I just had a thought, and added the exchange rate into spreadsheet data for feb 2016 june 2016 april 2017 and sept 2017 - the exchange rate is every retailers excuse up here.
Its not related. >:(
In 2015 i was buying cases for what one spam can sells for today.
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I just had a thought, and added the exchange rate into spreadsheet data for feb 2016 june 2016 april 2017 and sept 2017 - the exchange rate is every retailers excuse up here....
Such is our lot in life up here north of the 49th nea1
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First pics of a customer rifle as they're now finally shipping out and arriving at their new homes - I'm waiting on a folder myself, fixed stocks are being shipped first.
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Pretty dang cool 8) I want to see one disembowled with the guts spread all over the work bench (well, in an anatomically organized manner) :P
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Once I can lay my paws on my very own I'll be more than happy to oblige lol....
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Awesome! I hope they are worth the wait you guys have had to endure! thumb1
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Pretty dang cool 8) I want to see one disembowled with the guts spread all over the work bench (well, in an anatomically organized manner) :P
Yeah...yeah... pull them guts plumb out and lets see'em thumb1 Lets see some gut shots.. rofl2
since I am a nice guy... I'll throw a Romanian SKS on the table in trade. :o chuckles1
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...another new owner pic, I wasn't really torn up with the last year+ wait but now these last few days are killing me LOL
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Nice. How's the fit and finish?
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Nice. How's the fit and finish?
Don't go by mine. That's totally a bubba'd sks-d.
Still waiting on mine.
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ROFL, laugh I didn't even notice. Just saw the evil pistol grip and receiver cover and assumed you took a photo of the new arrival. chuckles1
That's about the closest you guys can get to an AK right?
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Valmet Hunter and Valmet M78 are ok. Everything else AK is prohib. Unless you are old and grandfathered no joy.
That and the Type 81 which is it's own thing.
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I like the looks of this Type 81 you guys are finally getting in hand. I hope they function perfectly, Quality Control is strong on them, and that you guys have a blast shooting them, without problems! Now, I just have to start planning a little R&R in Canada some day soon to beg one of you guys to let me test drive one of those beauties! I'll bring my own earplugs. thumb1 :)
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I like the looks of this Type 81 you guys are finally getting in hand. I hope they function perfectly, Quality Control is strong on them, and that you guys have a blast shooting them, without problems! Now, I just have to start planning a little R&R in Canada some day soon to beg one of you guys to let me test drive one of those beauties! I'll bring my own earplugs. thumb1 :)
Still waiting on mine; fixed stocks being sent out first and since I'm waiting on a folder it'll be a week or so yet...patience is a virtue they say! ???
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Well finally...FINALLY..got my shipping notice with tracking number today. But as luck would have it, I'm now away from home on a work project but at least it'll be waiting for me when I get back mid December. dance2 chuckles1 rofl2
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Got tracking notification last night at like 11pm. They were up late working to get them out. I'm close to the depot so should arrive this afternoon.
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They're not going to make a little holiday like Thanksgiving get in the way of your delivery, are they? :P
Are the folding stock models still equipped with actual folding stocks? Or are they welded open? We have our share of regulations and "laws" down here that don't make sense, especially when applied to real world facts and statistics. Curious, your Type 81's have the bayonet lug, but the importer isn't importing the bayonet that fits them. Is it legal to own the bayonet and install it on the rifle in Canada? NOTE: This is not to imply, instigate, or encourage any Canadians to start a rash of drive-by bayonetings, JUST LIKE WE HAVE HERE IN THE STATES. It's just everywhere here. Four of five a day on my street alone on this Thanksgiving Day! :) rofl2 chuckles1 nea1 Some of the World's most useless regulations. Yup, we actually waste money making that stuff up down here. Yup, we actually pay big salaries and benefits to the idiots that write those rules and regulations. And then we re-elect them! Heck, we even allow them to vote on their own pay raises! Not much wrong with that, eh? Of course, that's so minuscule when compared to the rest of the cesspool in D.C. bat1 pullhair1
All we want for Christmas is a great big F-L-U-S-H!!
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Thanksgiving in Canada is in October. You thanksgiving doesn't affect us.
Bayonets are legal. Because of the longer barrel modification is needed for original bayonets to fit.
Folders fold.
Canada post is looking to miss delivery by 3 days now. Probably won't see it until Monday at the earliest.
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Another new owner's folder pic - mine should arrive mid week if Canada Post is to be believed, but I'm away from home on a work project still. Folder cheek piece colour is a mis-match, correct pieces are supposed to arrive with the distributors next order and will be made available free of charge to current owners.
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Despite these looking like a Chinese Yugoslavian Hotel California love child....I covet. After a recent delay of only three days...I don't know how you maintain the force....Luke. :P
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Despite these looking like a Chinese Yugoslavian Hotel California love child....I covet. After a recent delay of only three days...I don't know how you maintain the force....Luke. :P
Now there's a description I can get behind LOL! rofl2 As for maintaining, at this point I'm just living my life vicariously through others who already have theirs thankyou1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9wBzKUQQ2M
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Well mine was delivered today, just need to get back home now to check it out.
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With these being released in Canada... anyone up there seen or heard of bent Type 81s
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/11/30/bent-norinco-type-81-rifle/
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Something tells me its being discussed somewhere within the 20 someodd threads on CGN
But if its only one gun thats bent.... Meh, could have happened in transit.
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How much did these cost?
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How much did these cost?
999 cdn
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Fence.... You get yours?
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Fence.... You get yours?
Yup. One of each. Quite happy haha.
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Mine arrived awhile back, but just got home today from being away on a work project, so unboxed for a first looksee. All mags worked fine with BHO on all. The rifle itself is nice and solid, functioned fine with snap caps, and all seems as it should be. The folder locks up nice and tight, no wiggle, and no major dents or dings anywhere I can see. Bluing seems a bit thin, and the wood finish is pretty basic, but not unexpected for what this is. Needs a good cleaning then hope to get it out to the range to put it through it's paces in the next few days. So overall first impressions are very good and certainly happy with the purchase! The mismatched cheek piece will be replaced with a new set sent out gratis by vendor when next shipment arrives.
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There's been a bit of a frenzy on CGN over "bent rifles", and while there have been a couple posted there that seem a bit off, there's been some mass hysteria at work too...overactive OCD or whatever, mehhhh...mines fine.
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Very nice Luke! thumb1
Lots of us down south are envious of you guys!
How are the mags pinned? Are they standard AK mags, or does the type 81 have a special magazine? How hard is it to get additional magazines in .ca?
Thanks again for sharing! thumb1
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Very nice Luke! thumb1
Lots of us down south are envious of you guys!
How are the mags pinned? Are they standard AK mags, or does the type 81 have a special magazine? How hard is it to get additional magazines in .ca?
Thanks again for sharing! thumb1
Thanks VERY happy to finally have this in hand after almost 2 years LOL! Mags are pinned with a very small, unobtrusive rivet - they're not standard AK version (different follower for the BHO, and different profile for cutouts) but people have already been modifying AK PMags to fit - no BHO but not a difficult job either it seems. These stock T81 mags are a bit scarce now with not all buyers getting their full order. More are on the way though, so hopefully soon in the New Year there'll be more of these in stock.
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Very cool. I think the wood just looks like typical Chinese, par for the course. thumb1
I'm itching to see the internals. I like seeing firearms with different mechanisms.
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Looks nice!
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Very cool. I think the wood just looks like typical Chinese, par for the course. thumb1
I'm itching to see the internals. I like seeing firearms with different mechanisms.
I'll take pics when I strip it down for cleaning later thumb1
Looks nice!
It's a standard Chinese product so as long as it goes bang reliably,which I'm sure it will, I'll be happy with the looks! ;)
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Very cool...I was wondering how many pages this would get to before you finally got it. I don't hate you for it...I hate how close to the border I am. It might as well be a different galaxy though.
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Very cool...I was wondering how many pages this would get to before you finally got it. I don't hate you for it...I hate how close to the border I am. It might as well be a different galaxy though.
Hey with all the different kit you guys can have that is verbotten to us, allow us this one little piece LOL - snow day, so no range trip yet...think I'll just go fondle it some more whistle12 !
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First major winter storm of the season moving in, so no shooting for awhile, but did strip it down for a good cleaning and a few detail pics. It does come apart and go back together very easily:
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Great set of pictures! thumb1
In my opinion, it looks largely AK inspired, except for SKS inspiration on gas piston and handguard, bolt handle, and front sight. Gas block design inspiration perhaps from FN49 and Yugo SKS.
Really cool, jelly 8) drool2 cry1 rofl
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Great set of pictures! thumb1
In my opinion, it looks largely AK inspired, except for SKS inspiration on gas piston and handguard, bolt handle, and front sight. Gas block design inspiration perhaps from FN49 and Yugo SKS.
Really cool, jelly 8) drool2 cry1 rofl
Just another bastard love child with an unknown daddy! bat1
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Great set of pictures! thumb1
In my opinion, it looks largely AK inspired, except for SKS inspiration on gas piston and handguard, bolt handle, and front sight. Gas block design inspiration perhaps from FN49 and Yugo SKS.
Really cool, jelly 8) drool2 cry1 rofl
Just another bastard love child with an unknown daddy! bat1
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Almost looks more like a Vz58 gas system..with the open hand guard/no gas tube.
And keep that major winter storm confined north of the border... we don't want your sloppy seconds here in the mid atlantic, cause thats how it always works. chuckles1
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... we don't want your sloppy seconds ...
That's what she said! :P
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Anybody pay any attention to that extractor cut perchance?